Do you think a farmer can get rich in your country?

@scheng1 (24650)
Singapore
August 26, 2011 8:11am CST
In certain countries, farmers are very rich. Some farmers in US are millionaires, since they have a large tract of land and can hire people to use machinery to plant, and harvet. However, in most countries, a farmer is the poorest of all in the country. They are the ones who have huge debt and may not even get a single cent in a bad year. While everyone can see that the food price has increased many times in the past few years, and presumably farmers make a lot more money than in the past, it does not follow that farming is a good method to earn money. What do you think of farming in your country? Can a humble farmer in your country get rich?
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• United States
26 Aug 11
I think that some farmers are able to make it big sometimes. Usually it'll be with a farm that has been in the family for centuries and with each generation they add new technology. It also helps when the farm can get a big-name company to buy their crops and use them in their products. So yes, depending on who buys the farmers' crops I think that some farmers can earn a pretty decent living.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
26 Aug 11
As you had pointed out, a wise person who has inherited a lot of land can be a rich farmer.But , generally in our country, though it was predominantly agricultural ,there may not eb topo rich farmers.THe percentage of average and poor farmers may be higher.
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@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
27 Aug 11
Hi Kalav, I think those big plantation owners are very rich in your country. If I remember correctly, your country is one of the biggest exporters of tea leaves, and I think those farmers who own land, and plant those tea plants must be very rich. They do not need to plant every year, and yet they can harvest a few times a year. Those farmers who rely on small plots of rented land, and plant vegetables are not likely to get rich soon. If only your government can assist the farmers more, and give them a blueprint on what to plant for the coming year, the farmers will not all plant the same thing, and sell at very low price.
• Philippines
26 Aug 11
yes, if they will own the land, they can be rich.
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@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
26 Aug 11
Hi Incredible, if they have the money to own the land, they are already rich! I think the problem with most countries is that the government or landlord sets a very high price for the land. Most people do not even have the money to pay for the rental, much less to pay the price for ownership. Most landlords do not farm, since it is safer to rent to farmers.
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@millertime (1394)
• United States
27 Aug 11
Most of the successful farming operations in the U.S. are very large, commercial farms and some of them are corporate owned. It's very hard for a small farmer to even make a decent living, let alone become rich. The costs of tractors, equipment, fuel and the land itself are prohibitively high and erodes the profitability of running a small farm. A lot of small farmers also work at a regular job to ensure a steady income. Some people are turning to a small farm but not for profit as much as a self sustaining endeavor for their family to live on. They are considered more of a "hobby" farm and can be done on a few acres of land and with older, smaller tractors and minimal equipment. While some of the smaller operations, if run economically, can make money, the owners certainly aren't going to get rich in terms of money. If however, one considers the fact that working the soil, living off the land, growing organically and producing wholesome, healthy products to live on can be a life enriching experience, then one could be considered rich in the sense of having a fulfilling and enjoyable life. I grew up on a farm but got away from it when I moved out on my own. I didn't really miss it at first but looking back on it, I have very fond memories of my life then. I intend to get back to it very soon and start my own hobby farm on 10 acres of land that I have. There's a certain peace that can be found in working the land and I think I will be much more content when I find it again.
@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
28 Aug 11
Hi Millertime, even though farmers everywhere have a hard life, the farmers in your country are comparatively better than farmers in many Asian countries. In some Asian countries, farmers do not have the rights to own the land that they farm. They have to pay rent, as well as other costs associated with farming. In a bad year, the harvest is so poor that they are unable to repay a single cent of their debt. As a result of increasing debt, they are forever in a cycle of poverty. Even in Singapore, a relatively rich country in Asia, most of us do not really own the apartment that we supposedly bought for half a million dollars. The lease is just for 99 years. For commercial and farm land, the lease is just for thirty years. At least farmers in your country get to buy and keep the land for future generation. They can gain when land price appreciates, and they sell off the land if they want to get away from farming.
• United States
28 Aug 11
You are absolutely correct. When we purchase land in this country, we own it outright and can keep it in the family and pass it on to our children or sell it if we so choose. That is, we retain ownership as long as we keep paying the annual taxes on the property. If we don't, the land can be taken away. Leasing land also happens in this country too. A lot of farmers, especially the smaller ones, will lease land from surrounding landowners to increase the acreage that he can put into crops. It's a good way to farm more land without having to spend the money to purchase it. I know what you mean about having a bad year too. That is inherent to farming all over the world. Farmers everywhere are at the mercy of mother nature so it's always a gamble when you plant crops. Good topic!
@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
30 Aug 11
Hi Millertime, that is why many Asian still think that US is a great country. The farmers in China and Philippines do not have the ownership of the land. No matter how hard they work, they have nothing to leave behind except a lot of debt. Even for us, Singaporeans, living in a relatively rich country, most of us do not feel rich. Our assets are mainly on a 99 lease. It will take about 35 years to pay off the lease of our public apartment. Prior to that, it takes about five to ten years to save for the down payment of the small and miserable unit. While the government likes to say that we have the highest home ownership in the world, most of us know that the 99 lease benefits only the government.
@Simon1223 (903)
• China
26 Aug 11
In my view, it depends on what they plant in their own lands. If they choose to plant rice or wheat, it's quite hard for them to become rich. There are mainly two reasons: One is that the price of grain in my country is quite low. The other is that the land a farmer owns is very small. Farmers who plant wheat in US may have high level of lives, but don't forget that they could get a lot of subsidies from the government every year. If farmers choose to plant other crops such as vegetables and fruits, they could earn more money than farmers who plant rice or wheat. And a few of them will become bosses instead of farmers.
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@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
26 Aug 11
Hi Simon, if the farmer has the ability to buy land, that will be a big improvement in his life. The problem is that in many Asian countries, farmers do not buy the land for farming, they are renting it from the government or the landlord. In a sense, they are in worse situation. Since they cannot gain from land appreciation, and sell off the land when the price is good, and buy when the price is low, they are not gaining directly from the cost of land. The landlord can just sell the land away to developers and the farmers are out of job. Even without the subsidy in US, many farmers can earn a reasonable good living since they are the owners of the land. They can keep the land for generations or they can sell off the land when the city grows, and their land become part of city area.
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• Philippines
27 Aug 11
I think it's possible that farmers can be rich because they also have jobs and if they work hard enough, they'll be able to save up and use that money to earn them more money.
@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
30 Aug 11
Hi Frontvisions, it is harder for a poor kid from China to learn English than a poor kid in India. For one thing, the Chinese language is too different from English language. China has never been a colony of Britain too. That makes it doubly hard to find someone who can speak English well, and set up a school in the countryside. At least in India and other former colonies of Britain, you can find English speaking people in different parts of the country.
• Philippines
30 Aug 11
Okay. I'm wondering why this conversation went to a China dude trying to speak English but yeah, you have a point. Although it really would depend on the individual in the end. If he's really willing to learn, he'll learn pretty fast at it.
• Philippines
28 Aug 11
Or at least study speaking and writing english and apply in a call center company. There are call center companies nowadays that hire even those that doesn't have educational background. Others don't even care if you present them a transcript or not. The previous company I worked for didn't ask me my transcript so they can get away with that.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Aug 11
foreigners have it wrong about the US most farmers just about make ends meet here, there are a few millionaire farmers but they are corporations owned by more than one person. The US does not have streets paved with gold and most farmers are mot wealthy but just middle class people making ends meet but not having anything left over. I wish people would learn the truth about my country instead of overblown falsehoods.A lone farmer here in the U 'S cannot get rich but can make ends meet and sometimes lay money aside bu t rich no no no.
@tiffnkeat (1673)
• Singapore
28 Aug 11
I can't say much about farmers, but in our country, the hawkers are richer than most who slogged their way to university to find a job, get married, and stay scared in the cubicle for the rest of our lives. They can command a pay-rise anytime, and when they do, it is in the order of more than 10%. How many of us get such increments. LOL. Given the analogy, I am sure farmers can get rich too...anywhere in the world. Food is becoming scarce. I hope you know what I mean.
@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
30 Aug 11
Hi Tiffnkeat, I do not think Singapore farmers can get very rich unless they list their companies in the stock exchanges. The land lease for farming is just thirty years. It takes a few years to recoup the initial investment. However, if they can build a house and stay in the farm, they can just rent out their flats. I think a few farms also hire many foreign workers, and keep the cost down in this way.
@Zer0Stats (1147)
• India
30 Aug 11
Yes they can if they get a good education and learn how to use science and technology in farming.But in my country India,the situation of most farmers is as same as farmers from other developing countries.They are very poor if not then the lower middle-class.They are hardly able to make ends meet even for their daily food.
@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
31 Aug 11
Hi Zerostats, yes, I agree that most farmers in Asia are poorer than the farmers in the west. For one thing, the governments in Asia do not usually provide any assistance, definitely not farmer subsidy. Another thing is that farmers in Asia do not usually own the land they plant. That is why they are trapped in poverty cycle. Even if they are willing to learn, they have no money to buy all the machinery to help them.
@yentongs (29)
26 Aug 11
In America, if a person is a "farmer", then he is filthy rich. Because a farmer in the US actually owns the acres and acres of land. In my country (Philippines), however, very few "farmers" own the land that they farm. Usually, they are just laborers or workers hired by the owner. Therefore, I hardly think a farmer can get rich in my country simply by farming.
@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
27 Aug 11
Hi Yentongs, yes, I agree with your observations. As long as a farmer can buy his own land, he can get rich sooner or later. i think many farmers in Malaysia are very rich too. They buy the land, and planted rubber trees in the past, and plant oil palm now. Everyone knows that oil is getting more and more expensive, and produces that can turn into bio fuel is also very valuable. Even those farmers in small towns in Malaysia are very rich, due to the right climate, and they do not spend much money too.