Abuse or discipline

@Rosa26 (2618)
United States
August 26, 2011 11:10pm CST
What is the defining line between abuse and discipline of a child? And do you think corporal punishment works?
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@nezavisima (7408)
• Bulgaria
27 Aug 11
punishment does not always work I can say from experience. more prohibit a child something he more strongly desires. Important call to action are important show them what is good and what is bad. good because it will punish punishment and child will go gather myself pain and anger and will do what he wants and can not stop it. education talks and explanations of these things help. nice day!
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@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
27 Aug 11
Yes, you are right the pain doesn't have to do with disciplne. Discipline is a leaning process. For example the person that doesn't teach disciplne the (abuser) teach the child that decisionds are at the whim of the caregiver, but the person that discipline the child teach the child to make healthy choices for him/her and prepare the child for eventual independence.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
6 Sep 11
Hi Rosa, I grew up in a time when it was common for parents to spank and use objects to hit kids with when they got out of line. It didn't work for me. My mother swatted us and yelled over everything. When breaking the rules, I remember thinking about whether it was worth the spanking, sitting in my room for a while and/or listening to her winded lectures and weighed out the odds of getting caught. Most of the time, I took my chances perfectly willing to put up with the consequences if caught. My dad, on the other hand, spent a lot of time talking to us about the importance of having morals and ethics..integrity etc. When we screwed up, he didn't punish us but talked to us about WHY our behavior was wrong and how it affected others. It worked especially as I got older. Whenever I thought to do something wrong or did something wrong, his face would pop into my mind and I'd have to consider what he'd think about it.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
6 Sep 11
So true. I raised 4 kids and if asked, they would tell you that they have never been spanked. I know there were occasions when they were small that I tapped their little bottoms but they must not have been memorable for them because they really don't remember. It was rare. I just never believed in that method of teaching kids how to be and still don't. My girls are all grown now and they are very responsible, kind and respected people. Spanking is for the most part, a temporary fix and sometimes the temporary fix is good but only when it is followed up with communication.
@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
6 Sep 11
Hello Sfd. I understand that we like parents have to discipline our kids, but there a lot of ways to discipline the kids without spank them, and if we spank them we have to do it with self control, not angry. I totally agree with the way your father taught you,if we think how we would feel if somebody do to us what we are doing to the others. Faces expressions from the parents showing if they consent or not with the behavior of the the kids is a very good way to discipline the kids. Anyway those bad and good experiences can help to no make the same mistakes with our kids and copy those disciplines that really work.
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@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
6 Sep 11
Yes you are right,is good to know that are not that kind parents, every kind of spanking is violence it causes physical pain in the body of the child fear in his mind. Every act of spanking also involves humillation for the child simultaneously. Then the best way to discipline them is like you are doing.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
31 Aug 11
If you use harsh language and cause irreversible damages to your child long term physical and mental state, then you are abusive, not disciplinary. Any harm did to your child and leave an everlasting scar in his or her mind due to the emotional torment or his/her physical beating from you is abuse. While using powerful reasoning couple with reward or lite punishment to correct your child bad behavior is discipline.
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
2 Sep 11
Parenting itself is a heavy responsibility that need full commitment by either one parent orboth before they should set out thinking of having a child. Unfortunately in today materialistic world, too many of them are either refused to acknowledge and accept that solemn responsibility of being a parent come with the birth of a child, or they just too immature to live a marriage life let alone having several children. Many time children are subjected to abusive treatments whenever a wrong is done, leaving inreversible damage to the future well being of that child and cause grave consequences to the society later, it is quite a prevalent trend in today modern society where immature couple are not up to the task of parenting and often create a monster out of an abusive child for his adult life. I am sure without much elaboration you can witness many of these horrible outcomes linking to an abusive family yourself just by reading our current affair articles.
@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
3 Sep 11
Yes you are right unfortunately, a lot of children suffer lonelyness, starve, because they have unresponsable parents. Because of this I pray for them joined to my son in order my son sees all the bleses he has, and teaching him tht we have to pray for those who are in need, not onky fo us.
@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
31 Aug 11
Hello Lampar Exactly my friend it is true what you say,and it is call emotional abuse, this is kind of abuse may dismiss the feelings of the child and needs,expecting the child perform humiliating or unpleasant tasks. The harsh language or verbal abuse manipulate the child into feeling guilty for trivial things, Verbal abuse takes on many forms including criticizing, insulting,degrading, hasrh scolding,name-calling,ridiculing,screaming, using crude or foul language,that is so bad that some parents don't know how to discipline their kids, and instead of discipline them, they cause emotional damage to the kids. You response was a very smart one thanks for your contribution, I hope those who have kids have learned something by this discussion. I learned a lot! Thanks!
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
15 Oct 11
Well, abuse is different from discipline. Because when you disciplining a child you whip it with love...you punish it because you love her/him... Abuse is incorporated with anger which no other reason to punished the child because you are angry...when you are angry you never think about the consequences you do with the child. That's mean of abuse because you are lapse with the demarcation of discipline...
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
21 Oct 11
You right, friend. Because anger will make our children angers too in the future. If we beat them...we should explain to them what they did wrong and why they are beaten...
@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
21 Oct 11
Exactly Aerous that is the spirit.
@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
18 Oct 11
I agree with you, we have to discipline our children with love not with anger,because when the factor of anger enter, begin the abuse. So we have to raise our kids with love but strong at the same time. Many modern parenting books discourage correcting, punishing, and spanking children—even when they willfully disobey. This idea is diametrically opposed to the clear teaching of Scripture, "12For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth (Prov. 3:12).
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
27 Aug 11
The line is crossed when the child's life is in danger or the child is going through unnecessary pain. Or, if punishment happens and the child didn't do anything or there is a lack of proof. For example, a child tries to steal an ipod from the store. The mother saw it out the corner of her eye. So she makes the child return the item and that child has to do double the normal chore load for a week or even a month. In my eyes that is discipline. However let is say that the child was no where near the ipod display case and yet the mother cries "theif" anyway. When they get home that child goes to bed early with no supper. Maybe they have to skip breakfast the next day to. That is what I call abuse. There no proof, yet the child was punished. If there is no cause for the punishment, or if the punishment endangers the child, then we have an abuse situation.
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@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
27 Aug 11
Yes you are right, I don't believe in the violence to make a child change a behabior I think the violence can make the child never change or be worst. For example I know that an abuser make the child just listen, but doesn't teach the child to understand what is the wrong on his/her behavior, the person that give disciple teach child right from wrong.
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@QeeGood (1213)
• Sweden
27 Aug 11
Awinds; You've give very clear definition what is abuse and discipline. I agree with you. By giving precise examples it is easily understood. Thanks for your participation with good knowledge. Happy mylotting!
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
28 Aug 11
@Rosa16 I really agree with that! Violence will not teach a child why stealing an ipod from the store is wrong. All that tells the child is that pain will occur is they do that action again. It doesn't get settled in their brains that stealing is wrong because of A,B and C and that realistic consequences will follow. @QeeGood Thank you! I was a bit worried that I was a bit unclear up there but the opposite seems to be the case. You have a great time myLotting to! :)
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@SydneyJ (902)
• United States
27 Aug 11
Abuse is when the kid will be effected for life becasue of the mistreating abuse could be like overly hitting, punching, kicking or anything of the such that you could extremely hurt the child. Abuse could also be verbally which can make them emotionaly unstable this could consist of cussing at the child, telling them thier stupid and other hurtful things like this. Disapline should be a small spankin or time out if it's pysical disapline or if it's verbal the kid should be told thier wrong doings and maybe saying that they aren't acting thier age or the way the should be.
@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
27 Aug 11
Yes, you are right, and another difference between abuse and discipline is that the abuser demostrate anger and hostility, and when the care giver is disciplining the child he/she demostrate love and affection.
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@SydneyJ (902)
• United States
27 Aug 11
Very true! In many cases I think abuse come from anger someone is bottling inside until they find the person they can take it out on..
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@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
31 Aug 11
Yes that is sad that the adults sound off to the kids just because they can't defend them self.
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
31 Aug 11
This line is something I struggle with all the time. I was brought up during a time when this line leaned towards abuse, so when I do discipline my children, I am always warry about not crossing this abuse line. I think discipline works. Specially if it is started with children. Enough to say that corporal punishment may not be needed if all children would only have enough discipline.
@Rosa26 (2618)
• United States
31 Aug 11
Hello Bounce! Thanks for taking your valuable time to respond in my discussion discipline vs abuse. Yes you are right, if we the parents raise our children with discipline we won't need corporal punishment, for example if we support our kids with a loving relationship between they and us it can help a lot, because the children have to feel that we are not against them, they have to understand that we are against that behavior. Besides if we use positive reinforcement strategies to increase desired behaviors. Or removing reinforcement or applying punishment to reduce or eliminate undesired behaviors. Is not easy is a hard work of 24/7 (hours/days) but to be functional all the steps have to be followed and then the discipline plan will be successful.