There's just too many people...
By uath13
@uath13 (8192)
United States
September 15, 2011 8:34am CST
Every day you see more & more articles about how the middle class is collapsing but nobody addresses the issue as to why. The reason is quite simple, there's just to many of us. Since the industrial revolution it takes fewer & fewer people to produce the products we use. That means there are less people working to produce them so less people are making a paycheck to buy them. The richer people still have control of the companies are are always going to get theirs , even if they have to manipulate the goverment in order to keep it while the rest of society slides into poverty. Most people don't realize this but the middle class got it's origins when the black death swept through in the feudal ages. Before then you had the nobles & the poor peasantry. When a large amount of the population was whiped out skilled work became hard to find & thus valuable & the middle class was born. Now that class has outgrown it's sustanable size. There's just too many people...
The world's economy isn't going to turn around because of this. You can't create jobs for the sake of jobs when there are none needed.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
15 Sep 11
Before I read the line about the plague, natural selection came to mind. But I don't know if that applies to financial situations. Still, influenza viruses have become more virulent recently and the world is due for a really nasty disease, unfortunately. I hate to see people die but it happens every few hundred years or so.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
15 Sep 11
Never had one, only had it once, more than 20 years ago. Too much controversy about them and the ingredients plus the possible link to Alzheimer's. I'll take my chances. As the old saying goes, it's a good day to die. 
@WakeUpKitty (8691)
• Netherlands
15 Sep 11
yes there are too many people, we irritate and annoy each other too and get agressive about nothing. We don't need eachother anymore to feel save or to stay alive. We keep everything and every one alive. Human being is the only animal where the healthy/strong specie doesn't survive.
We get way older as ment do be so the working class is getting smaller and smaller too, also because of all those machines/robots/computers we use. We don't need human being anymore.
The good news is we love to make war so we can kill people, we live close to vulcans, hurricanes, earth quicks kill us too, we have civil wars, more and more strange diseases (good we still can't cure many diseases and nature is smart so tries to kill us anyway) and less and less people (= women) like to have a big family (10 or 14 kids or so). So sooner or later we won't be with just too many people anymore. Till that moment we have to find a way to manage since life is a gift and we can not decide about other people their life.
Also it's time to raise the rich ones, the governments. They love to let the middle class and lower class pay for everything. To my opinion there is money enough it just shouldn't be wasted that frequently.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
15 Sep 11
I am assuming that you are talking about the US here; so, that is what I am going to address first.
Yes, there are too many people here (and many of them do not even belong here). The majority of births in the US at this time are children of immigrants both legal and illegal. And, even with the steps we have taken to stop illegal immigration, we have only slowed it - not stopped it.
But, overpopulation is not the only factor. Our schools are a major problem. Many high schools are not preparing students for a place in the work place or even in college (many students that go to college are having to take "remedial" classes because they cannot function at college level). Even a college education is not preparing people for the workplace.
Young people today are not prepared to WORK. My company has hired over a 100 new employees since March 2011. We have approximately half left at this time. The work is not strenuous. You sit at a desk and help people who call us for assistance. A few people leave because they get a better paying job or because they cannot handle shift work (primarily because of childcare arrangements). The majority that have left are under the age of 30 and they get fired becasue they can not or will not come to work on time each day. When they are at work they act like work is an "imposition". They never learned a "work ethic" and our "work ethic" is what made America great.
We need to go back to teaching the basics in schools and then having an "apprenticeship" program where young people actually go and learn their trade with an experienced person. After they learn the job, they either join the company or go out on their own creating new companies and training others.
We need to reinstill the entreprenurial drive that gets people to create their own jobs instead of expecting someone to give them money just for showing up and putting in minimum effort.
Many of our unemployed are either sitting around and hoping their benefits will not run out or they keep going after a small handful of jobs that are currently available that they think they would be comfortable doing. Maybe they need to start looking outside the box and either create a job for themselves or swallow their pride and take jobs that they have been looking down on. Many jobs that require manual labor actually pay quite well - harvesting crops, working on highway construction, working in meatpacking plants, etc.
On the world wide front - there is not enough technology to support the uncontrolled "breeding" of additional humans. The poorest countries have the largest birth rates and the most antiquated farming techniques that still exist. They are not taking advantage of advances in technology that have resulted in increased crop yields in other countries. The recent unrest in the Middle East is because too many young people have no jobs and little chance of getting a job because there are simply too many of them. Each family is simply too large for their economy to absorb.
So, yes, worldwide too many people are the cause of the majority of theworld's problems. But, you either need to go "wipe them out" or you have to FIGHT the traditions and religions that continue to support uncontrolled "breeding".
Which do you think we should be doing?
@topffer (42155)
• France
15 Sep 11
Maybe you should distinguish middle class and work. Work itself was not a recognized social value before the middle of the 18th century. Actually work is the pivot of our societies, it is still a social value, but a value less important than 50 years ago : people want more free time, more holidays, etc. In a recent book a French sociologist, Dominique Meda says that work is a disappearing social value and thinks that we are going towards a society where economy will not rule. Seems like an utopia today where we need to work to live...
And yes, a society can create jobs for jobs : it has been argued by Keynes, who was also saying that to boost employment wages had to be lowered.
@uath13 (8192)
• United States
15 Sep 11
But if you lower wages the people who are working have less money to actually buy the products they're making. When they have to cut back on their spending then less products are needed so even less employees are required to produce those products. How is that supposed to boost employment?
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@uath13 (8192)
• United States
15 Sep 11
Prices would only fall if the rich didn't see it as a way to increase their profits & line their pockets further. They probably wouldn't bother lowering the price since the public was already used to paying it & simply pocket the labor savings. The middle class gets poorer, the rich gets richer & ...wait, that's what's already happening. They're using machines to do the work more cheaply but not really reducing the prices to match.
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@topffer (42155)
• France
15 Sep 11
It is more complex for Keynes : price of products will also diminish, because they cost less to product. In fact there will be a general fall of prices, that will make workers accept a fall on their wages. And if it stops before a deflation start, it will boost employment
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