New Jersey unions really are banking on the stupidity of members

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
December 18, 2011 2:05pm CST
So I got this stupid flier from the union that I'm forced to be a member of. It says how we must do everything we can to block Chris Christie's legislation that would weaken public sector unions. As an example it points out that, as a result of similar legislation in Indiana, public employees there didn't get raises in 2009 or 2010 and are paying more for their health insurance. Sounds pretty bad right? Well guess what? As a result of the union putting this flyer out, we haven't had raises in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and we may not get raises in 2012 either if things keep up like this. We also pay more for our health insurance and are now on a schedule to continue paying more each year. The amount I pay for my health insurance is scheduled to DOUBLE in June. Seriously, do they think the people they represent are too stupid to realize that they haven't gotten raises in the last 4 years? http://www.council10.org/documents/WorkforceSummer2011.pdf
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• United States
18 Dec 11
I take that you are from New Jersey, Taskr36? To me, this does sound bad. I'm just curious because I am confused about a lot of this: Who do you think is to blame for people not being able to get pay raises? And, do you think Christie is responsible for any of this because I am not sure if he is? Just explain this to some of us a little more. I want to have all of the facts because I make any clear cut judgments. From what I have heard of Chris Christie, he seems like an okay guy, and I know that many people wanted him to run from the Republican Party in 2012, and I, personally, would have like to have seen him run for President, but I am wondering if he is to blame for any of this?
• United States
19 Dec 11
Okay, yes, it sounds like it is the unions fault, but has the union thought about going back bargaining tables? Yes, the cost of living has gone up, and money is tight for everyone these days. Have you tried talking to your boss about getting a raise of just the holiday season, or do you have a sick buy back program? Meaning if you didn't miss any days of work or use any sick time, you can get money for not having missed any work or using any sick time?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
19 Dec 11
My boss has no power to give raises. He isn't able to get a raise either while we're out of contract. Unfortunately there is no sick buy back program. If there were, I'd be rich since I never call in sick. Money is so tight in the county right now that when people leave or retire, we can't hire a replacement until all their sick and vacation time is cashed out. That means if someone has 2 months worth of saved time (and I've got more than that) you have to wait 2 months to hire a replacement. One person retired after 30 years in October of 2010. We couldn't replace her until June of 2011. Despite the fact that we're out of contract, I am still forced to abide by contractual restrictions though. That includes not working over 35 hours a week so I have no way of making extra money. New Jersey's not a cheap place to live either. I've been spending a lot of time job hunting in Florida in the hopes of moving back. Houses are cheaper, taxes are MUCH lower, and jobs pay about the same annually (with a 40 hour work week), and nobody can force you to join a union. Unfortunately unemployment is higher, so getting a job there isn't easy at the moment.
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• United States
19 Dec 11
Wow, that sounds worse than Los Angeles County. The one thing that your county and LA County have in common is that once people leave or retire, no one is hired to replace them until someone is truly needed. I don't imagine that New Jersey is a cheap place to live in. I imagine that property taxes and sales taxes are higher in New Jersey. I know that they are in New York and in California. Getting a job anywhere doesn't seem like it's easy right now. I just got accepted to Graduate School. Awesome, but I am going because I know that I won't be able to find the kind of job that I want right now. I have tutoring jobs lined up, but I would not be able to get a teaching job, or any kind of federal job right now. You know, a job with health care benefits. I really do need a job with health care benefits.
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
19 Dec 11
They do think their members are stupid--stupid enough for them to live high on the hog while the members suffer. It's like a little kingdom of tyranny. I heard that somewhere--sorry, it was just a blurb on a talk show--a few districts dropped their union because in 20 years they never used the services but the teachers were paying $50 a month in dues. I think that's what a lot of union members should consider. There's no excuse for the union to let a contract go that long un-negotiated. They just don't care, and why should they? They have the members' money and will continue to stuff it in their deep pockets with no challenge.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
19 Dec 11
That's the problem with this forced union crap. I've talked about this with my coworkers, most of which are democrats. They don't like the union and they know the union isn't helping us. There's just nothing we can do because the government FORCES us to be in a union. I really hope Chris Christie can actually end this crap.
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@theknute (183)
19 Dec 11
I have never felt great about unions, and this just reinforces my belief. The economy doesn't help any as well. How do you feel about how the Wisconsin governor handled things with unions in his state?
• India
19 Dec 11
That's really bad and they have to take a step which should be beneficial to everyone.