problem with accepted explanation of gravity.
By BJmalone
@BJmalone (52)
January 3, 2012 2:26pm CST
I have recently been changing the way i look at certain things, and lately have become intrigued by a question that came to me one day. If "gravity" is a force that pulls all matter together. Then how is it that the apple in Mr. Newtons' story was able to go against that force to grow away from earths center of gravity so that it could eventually fall to the earth because of gravity? Gravity in the other direction is a common answer and its just unacceptable to me. That's like saying cold is hot that cooled down or something like that.
4 responses
@himzey (1321)
• India
5 Jan 12
Although I still dont get what you are trying to ask as the language seemed to be a bit confusing (my apologies).. but still I would try to explain the divine concept of gravity. Many of us dont really understand and complain that basic laws of physics are flawful. On the one hand they predict a particular event while on the other they themselves provide a contradictory explanation to their own theory.... sigh..
Well, here it goes... Earth although being oblate like an orange (bulged at equator and flat at the poles) can be assumed spherical to be a sphere and the laws of spherical geometrycan be applied to it with certain approximations. The gravitational center is the center of this approx. spherical earth. So when any object is present in the gravitational field of earth it is attracted towards the earth's center radially. You have already mentioned that this force is attractive. Since the distance is equal to the radius of the earth considering the fact that we all are at the surface of the earth, hence the gravitational force is equal for all objects; as mass of all objects are negligible as compared to the mass of the earth.
Now coming to the formula based approach, this force depends on the mass of the earth and mass of the object along with the square of the distance between the two objects. Hence as the distance increases force decreases following the inverse square law.
You may be unaware of the fact that gravity is the weakest of all forces that exist, and is also the one which farthest in terms of distance. Nuclear forces in atoms and molecules are the strongest.
Hope you find your answer in this explanation... in case of any misconception, you can ask anything you'd want to ...
Enjoy Mylotting... :)
@BJmalone (52)
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5 Jan 12
I do like your explanation. However the main idea that I am getting at is this. If there was not equal radiation then gravity would eventually pull everything into one huge lump. Instead of seeing the endless cycles of repeating exchange between opposites. Science see gravity pulling and "force" pushing away. Instead of hot and cold interchanging we made thermodynamics which labels heat as the amount of energy. if you had something one degree hot and you let negative 1 degree air in to cool it further would you be adding cold or removing heat. If you understand what I am saying (it may be hard i have bad typing and ADD!)then you can see that endless cycles of interchange are every action in our universe but science gets stuck seeing one side.
@himzey (1321)
• India
5 Jan 12
I think I get your point now. You see, gravity is a force of attraction. Every celestial body has its attractive force acting on all those others lying close to it. So that our earth is not only attracted by sun but also by other stars in the milky way. The reason that earth doesn't fall into the sun is because earth is placed at such a position which can be called as an equilibrium where sun's gravitational pull is equally balanced by the gravitational pull of other stars and celestial bodies in the milky way.
These orbits are present at very particular distances from the sun. Our planets are revolving round the sun on these orbits where a sort of equilibrium sustains them from falling into the sun. Similar concept can be applied to the electrons revolving round the nucleus of an atom.
@BJmalone (52)
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5 Jan 12
The thing about that is we are not necessarily in an equilibrium. We are moving further and further away from the sun every year. and as we go further we will spin faster and faster maybe throwing off rings like Saturn. but the increasing centripetal force from the faster rotation will eventually pull us into a gas giant and then into nothing. the evidence of this cycle is evident from galaxies to atoms. darkness is pulled into the center compressed into incandescent light to form "atoms" which are put together in a perfect sphere then ripped apart by centripetal force to become darkness again. That is why there are spiral spokes of blackness and and stars in the disc of our galaxy. Space is light stretched out, and light is compressed space. That why when they try to see and atom they see a ball of light.
@francesca5 (1344)
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5 Jan 12
well gravity is a force that pulls in one direction, but there are alternative forces pulling in another direction.
if i throw a ball into the air, the energy that i put into that process will be greater than the pull of gravity in the other direction and will overcome it, until such time as the energy that came from me runs out.
a similar question about why the apple grows upwards might be asked of you or me, why do we grow upwards, rather than just along the ground like snakes. and the obvious answer is that because of our skeletial structures, that as they grow grow upwards, as that is how it has been programmed to grow, and therefore that force is great enough to overcome gravity. and the same would apply to the pattern of growth of the tree, in that the rising sap and energy involved in the growth patterns programmed in the tree are greater than the pull of gravity.
and when the little apple tree blossom is pollinated and turns into a little apple the stalk it is attached to is strong enough to overcome the downward pull of gravity.
therefore gravity is a force that can be overcome by energy pulling in another direction, however when that energy is not sufficient to overcome the pull of gravity then gravity wins.
no science books were consulted in writing this, its just obvious, and physics is not the only science, a bit of gardening knowledge is useful here.
@BJmalone (52)
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5 Jan 12
That is what i mean. Every act of motion of growth is a radiative explosion that multiplies and gets bigger until it reaches the point it was reaching for, then it is at rest. As soon as it reaches that rest it starts to undo what was done to create it...it begins to die. This is true of atoms forming into rocks and radiation disintegrating the rocks into dirt so it can form organic matter through plants to eventually be fossilized as rock again. every force of creation or compression or the father half of the trinity pulls in with gravity to create bodies. every force of destruction or decompression radiates the bodies created into what was pulled in to create them. This is evident as fact everywhere. it is true of the creation of atoms from space being compressed into incandesent light instead of low density light we can't see. It is true of solar systems which pull in matter to fuel the reaction of our sun which creates the matter that is then spun out from its rotation equator do to the centripital force of the mass that was created. That is how our planets get out here. And the same is true for our planet. the matter that was spun off of the sun was pulled to a center of gravity until it became earth, and as science says earth is oblate...meaning it stretches at the equator and pulls in on the poles. what does that tell you. That earth is spinning itself apart! just like every other action of creation or and eventual destruction for more creation.
@BJmalone (52)
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6 Jan 12
Exactly. The main point that truly baffles me is that they say if something is going away from a body it is because either a mysterious "force" or they say gravity from something else is pulling it away because it is larger and has mor gravity then the thing it's leaving. Well then wouldn't that thing be pulled all the way to the bigger thing. Then wouldn't that thing have even more gravity to pull in more. The common explanation is that it would get almost there then be pulled away by something else with gravity and that everything just gets pulled then pulled then pulled to maintain and EXPANDING universe SERIOUSLY! Someone tell me how that should "expand". Now take the explanations I have given where each force has its equal opposite that it exchanges with to maintain balance and voila! And even if you don't believe in a "GOD" you can't argue that a force creates bodies and keeps them in balance...whatever that is is god to me.
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
3 Jan 12
Plants grow upwards, against gravity, by exerting energy in exactly the same way that you exert energy in climbing stairs. There is no question of 'gravity' in the opposite direction.
Gravity is a natural force which tends to make all bodies of all sizes move towards each other. To move any body away from any other requires energy to oppose the attraction due to gravity.
@BJmalone (52)
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3 Jan 12
The start of this discussion was sort of a round about way to question the one direction science that is accepted today. It seems to me very obvious that everything in nature has two opposing forces, and that those forces come in pairs, and pairs alone. Thermodynamics says that heat is energy in the sense that more heat means more activity or energy in the atoms. Then what is cold just less heat? The explanations of how energy works in science today just doesn't make sense. The vacuum . . . devoid of all matter, holds energy, more energy then the same volume of "atoms". so if heat or the activity inside of a substance known as heat is considered energy. how then is there energy where no atoms are?
@BLTLife (337)
• United States
19 Feb 12
Old topic but what the hay.
I believe you are looking at gravity the wrong way. Don't get me wrong, I can be wrong also.
So far no gravitons have actually been discovered. Also, the only way they can even conceive seeing a graviton is by what is missing in the picture when they smash atoms. I just wanted to talk about gravitons right there. So for it to be an actual "thing", I'm not sure
So far I've only been able to accept gravity as a force that results from mass bending space itself. So it doesn't have to have an opposing force since it's a result of space and mass interacting with each other.
but idk
@BLTLife (337)
• United States
9 Mar 12
Hmmm, I will have to check out some of this guys books. I have always been very interested in gravity and the way it works, along with a lot of other things. You've given me some things to wonder and I will get back to you about this. Thank you for the info.
But as of right now I am more leaning to the idea that gravity is a characteristic of space, not matter. I mean, I'm not professor or anything but I believe that mass is effecting the fabric of space and thus effects mass itself and runs in a constant cycle. But like I said, you gave me some things to consider and would love to discuss this more.
@BJmalone (52)
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5 Mar 12
I don't think you understood me correctly because i definately don't think gravity is a "thing". gravity is a characteristic of matter just as every other effect that we use today. What i believe is simply this "atoms" are balls of compressed light the compression and rotation of the light determines the characteristics of the atom. the space around the sphere is decompressed light (space-vacuum)...all of this is very Thoroughly laid out in walter russells books. The atoms are in constant equilibrium with the space. the center of gravity pulls in space and compreesses it to build the sphere once compressed the light gains mass and starts to rip itself apart to to the centripital force of how it was wound together. as it is spun out from the queator of the atom it desentigrates back into space just as planets thrown from the sun will fly farther and expand more the further they are. once it is desentigrated it has no mass so the cenripetal force is overran by gravity and the cycle starts over. That cycle happens at the speed of light and is the creation we live in. galaxies are constantly sucking in vaccum and spinning out mass...black holes are the other way they pull mass in and through out space. that is why all galaxies have spiral spokes. our universe is fractal atoms with electrons stars with planets galaxy bulge with solar systems universe with galaxies! no doubt in my mind that with high ehough power scope one could see a solar system of sorts around the center of a atom. Let that sink in :) sorry for all the errors i think faster than i type.
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