What is your interpretation of these words of Christ's?

@urbandekay (18278)
January 19, 2012 2:46am CST
8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. I would be most interested to hear how you read this passage all the best urban
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@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
20 Jan 12
The answer to that would be a book. Can you be more specific as to what you are seeking?
@urbandekay (18278)
23 Jan 12
Do you now all the best urban
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
20 Jan 12
I think he wants to know your opinion about calling a priest Father.
@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
23 Jan 12
Were there any priests in the congregation started by Jesus? There were priests from the Jewish system of worship that became Christians but the priesthood was not needed on earth. The priesthood is a heavenly arrangement. (See 1 Corinthians 12:28-29) So we should not call anyone father in a spiritual sense on earth. Someone may be like a father to us spiritually but we do not address anyone on earth by the spiritual title Father, except God.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
19 Jan 12
Taken from Matthew 23, right? It helps to take it in context, but there's not much "interpretation" to it, the way I see it. It reads exactly as Christ meant it. However, He had been talking about the scribes and Pharisees and how they loved to be seen as important men because they read and interpreted the law. Christ was not happy with the Pharisees at all and in this context, He begins to tell His disciples to not be like them. That is, not be looked upon as Teacher (rabbi) and not to be called special names that set them apart from the people, but to be humble and to serve the people instead of lording it over them. The last verse is spoken directly against the scribes and Pharisees and it helps to explain the last verses, that they were doing these things that He had just told His disciples not to do. At the time of Christ, many people could neither read nor write and they depended on the scribes to both read and write for them. The scriptures were thus "shut up" for the common person, since they couldn't read them for themselves. Since the Pharisees were the religious ruling class, they were over the scribes and so they directed and maintained the religious thought and doctrine of the time.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
20 Jan 12
I have read that, but no, I'm not absolutely sure. Do you have information to the opposite? If they could read, then why the scribes?
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@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
20 Jan 12
You are right, it seems pretty clear. However, are you sure about the majority of Jewish people not being able to read?
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• Adelaide, Australia
19 Jan 12
Well done!
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
21 Jan 12
Hi urban, While I don't take the Bible literally and acknowledge the fact that changes have been made, I'll try to explain how I understand this passage. Verses 9 to 12 seem to be saying much the same thing and that is, we are all one, no one is greater than another and we should all be willing to serve whenever we can. Verse 12 warns that putting ourselves and our needs before others, thinking that we're more important, will have it's consequences and eventually we will have to acknowledge that. Walking into a crowded room and taking a seat of importance is not a good idea as we might be asked to give up our place to another. In Verse 13, Jesus is using the scribes and pharisees as an example of those who consider themselves better than others, and warning that they will eventually have to learn that they are no better than those they are pretending to teach. They are making the rules so strict that no one has any hope of being able to enter heaven. Blessings.
@urbandekay (18278)
23 Jan 12
all the best urban
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
3 Feb 12
Hi wysecom,I've been reading all the posts on this discussion and it's easy to see why there are nearly 40,000 different denominations within Christianity. Blessings.
@wysecom (346)
• South Africa
3 Feb 12
the greater amongst you should be the servant to all. This points at the possibility of inequality in some fronts. Pose123, check your equality theory again.
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@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
19 Jan 12
My Goodness! I was right there not fourty minutes ago! This is yet another great, ripping attack by Jesus against the established religion of the day. To take it to the absolute extreme in today's world, the Pope should be kissing my smelly feet (if I were Catholic)! I calls for a flatter management of the churches today & a mighty humbling of the office bearers who serve us! Okay, now with that out of the way... nope! Not finished yet! Jesus fully had it in for these "heavy dudes" & spent the greater part of his ministry ripping the living bJesus out of them! They were the worst hypocrites - rituals, ceremonies & festivals on the outside with all their billion & one extra rules, yet on the inside, they were rotten to the core & took great profit from misleading the people in God's high name. If we must take a personal message from this, it might be to humble oneself, but not for the purpose of being great & to rule over others, though we know this already & this was not the target. The Gospel of the Holy Twelve goes much, much further. The attack is ten-fold of what you have read. From it you can see possible motivators when he mentions how they slaughtered John the Baptist's own father between the Temple & the Alter as well as James the Just. Oh God!!!
• United States
19 Jan 12
Basically put, the heads of religion at the time got too big for their breeches, arrogance took over and they needed to be put down and hard due to their misconduct. They were shutting doors to people, preventing salvation, and were just overall manipulating God's teachings for personal gain. And you know what? This doesn't just apply to the time then, there are people like this today, Church leaders, preachers, and so on are doing just this very thing. Sure, people may not be getting executed due to bad religious laws, but people are getting mislead by bad preaching.
• Adelaide, Australia
19 Jan 12
I broadly agree. You also neglected to mention it was likewise in times before Jesus, though maybe you implied this.
• United States
19 Jan 12
Yes, it has always been this way really. :( There's always been religious leaders taking advantage of the flock. You can't fully stop it, but you can deter it by helping those that are being led astray by it. :)
@JER616 (545)
• Philippines
19 Jan 12
Matthew 23:8-14 Addressing someone Rabbi and Master is prohibited by Christ in this passage as these addresses should only be referred to Him our Lord; in the same token the address Father should only be confined to God our Father. While the Bible acknowledges that we have a father in the flesh, I believe addressing our father in the flesh is also included in the prohibition. Anyway, society has other addresses like "papa". In the succeeding verse (12), Christ is teaching us humility. This is much pronounced and applied in the Church He created where the leader should be the servant of his flock(11). The Scribes and Pharisees are being castigated by Christ in the latter verse because they are giving laws and loads to the Jews that they themselves do not observe or practice. (See Matthew 23:4) Due to their hypocrisy, Christ is telling them that they are not worthy of heaven. Unfortunately, because of their teachings they are also shutting up heaven to those who hear them.
@urbandekay (18278)
19 Jan 12
Nice, thank you. So what of priests that are called father? And what of pope, which means father? all the best urban
• United States
19 Jan 12
That is a really good interpretation! I had forgotten about some of the key details there at the time of the passage so is good to get refreshed on it. However I do think that you are still capable to refer to your father in flesh as father, just not as "the" Father. After all, in the Bible, it does still refer to worldly fathers as "father". So this passage seems to just mean THE Father. God is the Father, God is Master. Doesn't mean there's no title to the father in the flesh, he's your father and is fine to be called as such. It is all in the tone and meaning, really.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
19 Jan 12
That`s so nice.Do you hate your "Dad" like Jesus is asking you to do ?
• United States
19 Jan 12
Here are my interpretations: God is the Master and THE Father, there is only God. This doesn't mean that you can't call your dad father, it just means there's no other divine father. Also, as Christ is the Holy son, he's not the Father or Master, but OF the Father. He's be closer to a great brother than such. It also seems to me that the humble are greater than the prideful. Those that make themselves as more important, more deserving, and boastful are looked down upon and those who are humble and kindly are looked upon more favorably. And for the final, it seems to me to point at those religious leaders who shut their doors to everyone except the select few important or acceptable people. They who do not go out and preach to people, perhaps not wanting to work for it or just don't like them. Seems like a jab at the selective preachers and teachers. This was a problem and still is a bit of a problem. They are "shutting the Gates of Heaven" in their faces seems to indicate they are keeping out commoners only accepting a select few.
@urbandekay (18278)
19 Jan 12
You say, " Also, as Christ is the Holy son, he's not the Father or Master" But Christ says, "...for one is your Master, even Christ" What of those that are proud of their humbleness? all the best urban
• United States
19 Jan 12
I am sorry, I misread a portion because I had forgotten how the word usage is applied here. Yes, I must correct myself, it is meaning that the Master is Christ, God is the Teacher, and the Father, as well as ALSO the Master. I apologize again. It has been a while since I read this particular passage in Matthew. As for humble, I'll correct myself here as well, I believe it is meaning being humble before God and not exalting one's self, that is, demanding praise, putting themselves on a pedestal. Basically not going before God our Father and saying how great you are or being arrogant. Arrogance is something God and Christ frown upon.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
19 Jan 12
Seems strange, that there has never been any physical proof that Jesus even lived- to say nothing of being Christ. How is it possible that God would did not make this physically, as well as spiritually obvious? These words (of Christ) may be just an idea in a deranged mind! Faith is indeed a perplexity, in that it allows for so many wonderful presumptions! (God is Great!)
@urbandekay (18278)
23 Jan 12
Barehugs, what physical evidence do we have of Alexander the Great or any number of historical figures we accept as genuine? Actually, there is good evidence, both physical and historical of Jesus, that you no not of it speaks only of your ignorance all the best urban
@wysecom (346)
• South Africa
31 Jan 12
As the High Priest, I am compelled to enter this discussion eventhough late. Jesus used earthly scenarios to explain the heavenly system so that we can understand. The first thing to do to any scripture is to understand the literal and then allow the Holy Spirit to give the spiritual meaning and fully merge the two together so that we can get nourishment from it. Since the scriptures came by Holy inspiration, then only the Holy Spirit can give the right intepretation despite our Bible schooling and degrees in theology. Let me reinvite all discussants to the topic and please do not abuse anyone. Let us start with the question... who is a father? what are the responsibilities of a father? How does a father behave and act? what type/kinds of father do we see and have around us? what were the Jewish fathers doing? After analysing fatherhood, we can then progress to what JESUS said and meant in that statement. welcome back.
@urbandekay (18278)
3 Feb 12
Indeed our understanding must be guided by the spirit all the best urban
@francesca5 (1344)
1 Feb 12
i would interpret it as meaning that we are all equal in the eyes of god, even jesus. so no one should exalt themselves above another, and, as it says, that any one who becomes very powerful should be the servant of others, not the master. i would say that he is applying this across society, so the rich man or the politican should not raise himself above others, but serve them, and the same goes for those who have positions of power in the church. it would make the world a far more pleasant place to live in, if people started taking notice of this.
@urbandekay (18278)
3 Feb 12
Indeed it would all the best urban
@CODYMAC (1356)
• San Diego, California
24 Jan 12
Hello, urban. He was talking about the Jewish leadership. They like to flaunt themselves and make a show when YAHVAH only wants us as believers, to be humble, and serve him with meekness. Yashua (Jesus) was telling his disciples that it is all about where your heart is, not your mouth. He condemned the jewish leadership on many occasions and only to show them their faults, but they took it as he was trying to take over. In the law of the Hebrew, one was allowed to point out to the leader when he was doing wrong. But not to ridicule them. Yashua was doing his job in pointing out flaws, but they did not take it as criticism, only as rivalry. Have a great day. May YAHVAH bless you.