When is an action right or wrong?
By bingskee
@bingskee (5234)
Philippines
March 13, 2012 10:24am CST
Here is a situation my son had told me:
A group of students created a supposedly secret group page in FB. The group page is intended to lambast and trash talk their teachers (I am not sure if other students not to their liking are included). Of course, no one knows this page until one day the secret slipped and a mother was able to know and visit the page. Being offended by the harshness of the words and sentiments in that FB page, the mother resorted to save the page and forward it to the school. She wants the students to be reprimanded. The students cried foul and that their right to privacy is violated.
My son asked me if what the students did was wrong? I said it depends on what the contents of the page is, e.g., if there are cussing, or insults, or judgments, intentions to malign, etc. He said the page contain all of these. Of course, what they did was not right.
He asked again, how about the violation of the right to privacy of the students and their freedom of expression. I told him, that would be more admirable an act if they had expressed their disgusts and complaints directly to the teacher and not backstabbing her/him. Besides, these freedoms and rights are always utilized as alibi or blanket of some of these students. That gives them no right to malign anybody.
Which is right or wrong for you? :-)
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11 responses
@kat_princess (1522)
• Japan
15 Mar 12
I think they should have informed higher officials of their school about their complaints regarding their teachers.If they made a facebook page,it would be better if that page was intended to call the attention of the higher school officials rather than trash talk them.
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@maezee (41985)
• United States
15 Mar 12
Wow that's a tough situation to be in! I guess yes, we are all entitled to our first amendment rights - freedom of speech & expression. But if it's something regarding the school... I can understand how they might want to get involved, they certainly don't want people trash-talking their teachers. Of course, on the other hand, the students have the right to express their opinions (hopefully) anonymously. So I guess there's pretty much on right or wrong in this situation, it seems, doesn't it?
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@SinfulRose (3527)
• Davao, Philippines
13 Mar 12
First and foremost, I would like to clarify that the right to the freedom of expression has its limitation. It is only applicable when the person expresses his insights in a polite manner and NOT to the point where the person is insulting and directly accusing already.
As for what is right or wrong, I can only judge that if I know the intention of such an act, the means, the circumstance and the result. I do not believe that the means also justify the results.
So if the students created the private page to be used as an outlet of their trash talk it can be positive or negative. It can be positive if it helps them let out their hatred. But it is negative if it only adds fuel to the fire. Let's say it's negative because it really is immoral to trash talk. This is the result for the intention.
As for the means, they've used facebook and made it private. But it is still in public because it's a group page. I think this is neutral since facebook is a technology that does not encourage foul deeds.
The circumstance:
Who was inflicted: the professors.
Why: Because students don't like them under a certain reason.
Where: Facebook group page.
How and When I don't know how to answer.
I'd say this is neutral too.
The end result:
A parent found it and forwarded it to the school.
This shouts negative to me.
So if I summarize this all:
Intention = negative
Means = neutral
Circumstance = negative
End = negative
Therefore I conclude such an action is negative and therefore it is wrong.
Call me math-nerd or what, this is how I was taught to look at a certain action whether it is moral,immoral or amoral. Hope this can help.
Happy MyLotting!
@dazzledlady (1618)
• Philippines
13 Mar 12
I like you. hahaha!!What a way to prove your point. My view on this as I remembered during my college days. The right of a person ends when another person's right is violated.
@SinfulRose (3527)
• Davao, Philippines
13 Mar 12
That is correct. Each person have his own natural rights and when that is violated, such an act is already not moral and is already unethical.
By the way, correction on my summary:
Circumstance is supposed to be neutral NOT negative.
Sorry about that!

@bingskee (5234)
• Philippines
17 Mar 12
hello, sinfulrose.
actually, we could be left to decide perhaps upon hearing both sides between upholding the student's right to freely express their opinions (if this is the case, which is opposed to the initial report that it isn't simply expression of opinions) or protecting the human rights of the teachers which are subjected to a form of hate speech by the students. the limitation lies on the circumstance of extreme hate speeches made. 
actually, we could be left to decide perhaps upon hearing both sides between upholding the student's right to freely express their opinions (if this is the case, which is opposed to the initial report that it isn't simply expression of opinions) or protecting the human rights of the teachers which are subjected to a form of hate speech by the students. the limitation lies on the circumstance of extreme hate speeches made. 
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
13 Mar 12
Dear Ms. Bingskee
many a times we do things which are not done the right way. And sometimes we find ways to justify our actions. Same here. Though these students arent justified in what they did (You rightly mention - no right to malign anybody) - but they cannot do this in public as against your suggestion - why not confront the teacher directly. It is not about the courage but the fact that doing this confrontation will only imply more problems and more misunderstandings and ego clashes.
However, I still oppose to what they did - FB or anywhere - there is no fun in maligning anyone between them or anyone unless there is someone to show them the right ways to get their problems sorted out.
many a times we do things which are not done the right way. And sometimes we find ways to justify our actions. Same here. Though these students arent justified in what they did (You rightly mention - no right to malign anybody) - but they cannot do this in public as against your suggestion - why not confront the teacher directly. It is not about the courage but the fact that doing this confrontation will only imply more problems and more misunderstandings and ego clashes.
However, I still oppose to what they did - FB or anywhere - there is no fun in maligning anyone between them or anyone unless there is someone to show them the right ways to get their problems sorted out.1 person likes this
@inertia4 (27978)
• United States
13 Mar 12
They're both right and they're both wrong. Look, life today is different from when we grew up. FaceBook today is how the kids communicate. Not like us years ago. We did it face to face. So, in one respect, the kids have the right to create a page, on the other, they really should be of legal age as well. Now, the mother who found it is like a rat to the kids. She betrayed them. And since the school is involved, I am sure they will take some action wit those kids. I remember when I was in school, I did not like al my teachers and I talked with my friends about them also. We all put our teachers down and complained about the school. But we never went to the teachers and told them either. So, I see it as normal for the kids. But since FaceBook is involved there could be problems in the works for the kids.
@vertu007 (683)
• Romania
13 Mar 12
There may be cases where you can say this is absolute wrong or right but in most of the times it's a gray area.
In this case while everybody has their right to privacy I don't think it was wrong what that parent did.
If you have a problem with somebody the right thing to do is to tell that person, not everyone except that person.
I don't agree with gossip and I don't like to talk behind people's backs. If I have a problem with somebody I just tell them, maybe we can work it out. It didn't always ended up ok because of this for me, but I have no regrets.
If you ask me, what they did was wrong, and what the parent did was right. They should be held responsible for their actions.
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@prinzcy (32299)
• Malaysia
18 Mar 12
If you want to trash talk or complain, do it directly or send a letter of complain to the school. Not doing it online where million more could see and then said their privacy was being violated. It's like that story that I once read in Mylot where a father shoot her daughter's laptop. FB is a place to connect with your family and friends. Seems to see the word 'social site' has a lot of interpretation now days.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
20 Mar 12
I do think that we do have a right to have our own opinions and there is no reason that we should be silenced when we have something that is bothering us. However, I think that when expressing your dislike for someone else to the extent that you are slandering them is wrong.
So, since I've not seen the facebook page or group that you are talking about, I really cannot make a final judgement, but there are circumstances in which the mother was right to forward the page to the school.
@atprudente6 (673)
• Philippines
15 Mar 12
I think the students here are at fault. The first thing that they have done wrong is that they have published their feeling through the internet. Internet is a public place and nothing will be kept secret within it. Although it is not wrong to voice our their thoughts and feelings, they should have think first before they create this page.
@flamez3r0 (319)
• Puerto Rico
13 Mar 12
They are doing what society does in those cases. In society, if I was disgusted by someone who holds power over me, a teacher, a boss, a policeman, trying to "complain directly" would just end in adding problems, as the one who has the upper hand will humiliate or punish the ones against him. To put it in another perspective, in history there are those who are abused, arrested or even killed for criticizing the ones in power, it happened to historic figures like Martin Luther King jr. in US for speaking for the civil rights which meant going against the established order, it happened to Ghandi for speaking against England in order to benefit his people, it happens to employees who speak against their bosses, it happens when people talk back to abusive policemen and happens to students who speak against teachers. This is why society has developed into a two-faced, hypocrisy-filled one. We feel disgust of people, but if they hold the power to affect our lives we cannot express it without being punished in one way or the other. That's why the fact that the students did that is a product of the environment in which they grew on, and is the result of using the tools they have available to express what in the past was done orally. Now before getting to freedom of speech and privacy vs simply ill gossip, we have to ask if what they said is true. Even if they did speak cruelly and with what would be considered in the social world as a wrong way to do it, were they telling the truth? Because if the teachers they criticized were indeed what they said they were, then it is their right to express their feelings in anyway they like it. Because it is unreasonable to expect someone to be angry and be respectful at the same time, so if a student was mistreated and or humiliated by a teacher, then if he were to insult such teacher among his friends then I would believe the problem is not the child, but the way the teacher treated him. Now, if on the other hand those children were just insulting the teachers for the fun on it, lying or making up stories to post in there, then they should be punished. Not for criticizing those they should show respect for, that's how fascism started, but to make them understand the differences between reasonable anger and simple defamation (slander or libel). To make them see that someone is not what their work is, and such a teacher can be good or bad depending on what the person doing such job is good or bad themselves. So to know who is right and who is wrong one has to know what they wrote and if what they wrote is correct, in other words, the punishment should be decided answering why they did it, not how. That's how I decide when an action is right and when the same action is wrong. I hope I helped a little :).
@bingskee (5234)
• Philippines
17 Mar 12
flamez3ro, i would not be too fast in judging that it is the teachers, or the students, who erred in the situation. i have to agree that some people who have the upper hand have the tendency to avoid but in this situation we really do not what actually happened. there has to be investigation.
society can truly be a contributory factor on the development of the youth, especially the youth of today. but even so, students need to learn the consequences of such actions. :-)
@vimal1990 (116)
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13 Mar 12
According to me.. taking action is purely depend on the each and every personality..
Whether its right or wrong if we think if it is right then take it as right action if you think it as wrong think take it as a wrong action.. make it simple thats it......










