Automated thinking processes?!

@Vvance (280)
United States
March 23, 2012 4:40am CST
Hey everyone, Have you ever faced one of those situations where you were trying to remember something(like a person's name) really hard for minutes together, but it was just impossible to recollect? And then later, when you had completely forgotten the matter, the name just popped into your head out of nowhere? This happens once in a while to many people, but most of the time, is involuntary. Along the same lines, various people have been able to solve a problem without even thinking about it. The solution presents itself on its own, without any cajoling required. Even scientists have gotten answers to their most difficult questions during sleep, in the form of dreams, or sometimes even woken up with the answer ringing in their heads. I've always wondered about the mechanics of this process,and what exactly goes on behind the scenes. Why and how does it happen? Wouldn't it be great if one could learn how to deliberately practice this? What do you think? Please do share your experiences of this very intriguing phenomenon, if you have had any. Thanks !!
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@Mashnn (4501)
23 Mar 12
I have experienced such phenomenon many times, when I could not remember anything at all then when I am doing something, the right answer pop up. I think it has something do with our memories; retention and recalling power.
@Vvance (280)
• United States
23 Mar 12
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the subject!! Some people find it much easier to bring back those memories, whereas others struggle to. What is the difference that enables the former group to do so?
@Mashnn (4501)
23 Mar 12
I think it has to do with the fact that we do not have the same memory. Some people are gifted with a short term memory while others are good in long term memory. Same thing happens when it comes to retention.
@Vvance (280)
• United States
23 Mar 12
I guess you're right. But it would be wonderful if one could devise a way to train ANYONE to achieve this level of memory, retention etc.
@GreenMoo (11834)
23 Mar 12
Names or other details that I've been trying to remember quite often come to me in the early hours of the morning whilst I'm half awake. The subconscious has been rooting around whilst I've been asleep.
@GreenMoo (11834)
24 Mar 12
I tend to wake up very early in the morning, long before I actually want to get out of bed. I suppose my mind is about as relaxed as it is ever going to be, and that tends to be when the answers to problems will flash up. Unfortunately, the realisation that I've just 'got' the answer to something I've been trying to think of is often enough to wake me up fully, at which point i come out of that fully relaxed state.
@Vvance (280)
• United States
23 Mar 12
Interesting!! Is it okay if I ask you a couple of questions regarding your experiences, GreenMoo? I'm doing a bit of research on this, and your thoughts might be invaluable. Well, how do you identify this state of mind(there are always identifying features for every biological condition) and how long do you remain in it?
@Vvance (280)
• United States
24 Mar 12
Yes, I know that feeling all too well, GreenMoo. It's quite jolting actually,and I know how you can get really disappointed when that happens. I'm learning to control it though. Thanks again for giving me your feedback :), and I hope you solve many more problems!!
@stealthy (8181)
• United States
23 Mar 12
I have always had trouble remembering names but I am great with numbers. Yes, I have experienced what you are talking about with names in that I can't think of a name and then hours later I will. To a lesser extent I experienced the solving of a problem in the manner that you mention. My professional life was as a scientist and one of my strong points was creativity and to some extent this involved being able to get to a solution on something I was working on by jumping over several steps. So this in some ways is similar to what you are talking about.
@Vvance (280)
• United States
23 Mar 12
Me too! I've got the same thing for numbers. I don't depend on my phone to access the phone numbers of friends or relatives. I just have to think of the name of a person, and the phone number surfaces all by itself. Wonder why that's so. Perhaps it is because of some kind of neural connection between the number-related regions of the brain and the memory parts. Thank you for sharing your experiences !!
@mensab (4200)
• Philippines
23 Mar 12
i play chess, and i like chess puzzles. when i was a kid trying to solve one puzzle, i could not solve it right there and then. and then, i went on to my household chores like washing dishes, then the solution came. immediately, i tried it on the chessboard, and there i was right. my mind did not let go of the puzzle, while my body focused on another thing. i think our minds do not let go easily of things that which they exerted efforts.
@Vvance (280)
• United States
23 Mar 12
Thank you for the comment! Well, that's great that you can do that. But, if I may, does the solution appear as an image of the chess board,as an 'auditory' thought or in some other way? They say that the way you create solutions reveals the type of perception that you are most comfortable with.
@jjzone44 (917)
• United States
23 Mar 12
I believe that such occurrences happen more than people think, simply because our brain processes more information than we know of at any given time. For example, the heart has the Sinoatrial (SA) node to initiate heartbeats, but the brain controls our breathing, and we don't have to "remember" to do that, as the autonomic nervous system takes care of that and other chores. I don't believe we are always consciously aware of what we are thinking about at a given time. People are capable of interpreting instruction without thinking of it. A simple example of that would be if you are seated at a table with another person and you are eating. You have a fork in your right hand and your left hand is holding a knife for cutting. Your mate opposite you asks you to pass the salt to them. In order to accomplish this, you must release your hold on one of the utensils, reach for and grasp the salt, raise it from the table and extend your arm to present it to the requester. You do not think about these steps, you simply take the audible clue, visually process where the salt is, and most likely use the hand that is closest to the salt to grasp it and complete the task. You don't need to think about it, yet all of these steps are necessary, but automatically accomplished. It would not be too hard to imagine that we process other information in the same way. Your brain is actively processing the information and searching for a suitable answer as the question is being asked. What delays this process from happening is other input that is being considered at the same time. The response using chess is a great example. Both players know the object of the game is to place the king in such a position that he cannot move; that's the end game. The problem is that since there are 2 people with the same goal, each player tries to predict the response of the other to their action. If the response is not as intended, then recalculation and re-evaluation must occur. These processes require active thought as prediction of another persons though process is not exact. Now if you only wish to demonstrate to someone what a "checkmate" looks like, you could simply place the King at B8 and the opposing Rook at A7 and Queen at B7, probably without even thinking.
@jjzone44 (917)
• United States
24 Mar 12
Hi Vvance; You're welcome. The brain is a fascinating thinking machine, and I do like to learn about it. If you get a chance, look up neuroplasticity, you'll be amazed how much our brain is able to change to adapt to learn new things. We actually can affect our ability to remember things, but it is very hard. What usually blocks our memory, is the constant input from the world around us. I would bet that you have fallen asleep while thinking of something or someone that you forgot their name or the concept. When you wake up, somehow you know the name or the something that you were trying to remember. That happens because when we sleep, we remove all of the external input that normally "bothers" our thinking process. When people say their judgement was "clouded" they really are not kidding. The way we can learn to remember things is to try our best not to let the "little things" bother us so much, but that is the hard part. But the better control we can exercise over the bothersome things, the better the chance that we will remember what we are trying to. Sometimes we just try too hard. And I am one of the people who believe that with the proper stimulus, we could actually remember what it was like in the womb! The problem with that is we do not have enough data. We remember things based on our 5 senses; the problem is before birth we are suspended in amniotic fluid, so seeing, tasting and smelling are removed from any memory we have of that time. We know babies hear things, but even the touch is limited as a baby cannot see what they are touching. A food is easy to remember because we can see it, touch it, smell it, and taste it; the more senses we use to sample an object, the more likely we are to remember it. Concepts we learn are much harder, as we can hear them, maybe see them written out on a board or in a book, but you can't sample them with the remaining senses. As Mr. Spock would say, "Fascinating".
@Vvance (280)
• United States
24 Mar 12
Those were excellent examples, thanks, jjzone!! You seem to know a lot about the topic, not to mention computers(from your other post on GTA SA) :) !! Well, I think we should make an effort to control these 'automatic' processes more so as to improve the quality of our lives. Hopefully, people will look into these matters with more interest. Thanks again for the share,and for typing all that out to explain it :) !!!
• United States
23 Mar 12
I also have many instances like this but most call mine pregnancy brain . I tend to forget basic things like why i went upstairs and then realized I had to pee , also there have been recent studies that show leaving a room can trigger certain memory loss . Im not sure how much i beleive it but it tends to happen to me more often than id like.
• United States
23 Mar 12
I know exactly what you mean. That is kind of mysterious how that happens. I do that a lot, as I have been getting older my mind isn't as quick as it use to be. I can see your face but sometimes you name escapes me. I feel so out of it but then when I get my mind of it and start thinking about something else the name will pop in my head or if I see something that you did or reminds me of that I will remember. I think it has to do with our brain and how it stores things. I think we activate a certain memory gland where things come back to us. I enjoy watching that infomercial about adding big numbers in your head. That is amazing and there is a method that you memorize that will help you do that. This is very intriguing and definitely phenomenal.