What's with Vatican II in the Catholic Faith?
By 2004cqui
@2004cqui (2812)
United States
April 3, 2012 6:35pm CST
I was raised Catholic, I went to Parochial school for 8 years, when I was 12 Vatican II came along and everything changed. There was a time when you could be sure no one was buried in the Catholic Cemetery that committed suicide, meaning you would not be buried with your relatives, worse yet, if you weren’t in Catholic blessed ground you were not in hallowed ground. All because you have committed a mortal sin, one that a priest cannot absolve you from. You have killed a human being. Being Catholic means you can’t do that to anyone, even yourself. Then along came the wars, oops. Then along came the scientists and the psychiatrists.
We’ll you can’t turn down the scientists and psychiatrists children from being buried in our Cemetery! The family might leave the church, taking their 5% of their income with them! Do you know what those people make!?
We began talking about evolution. You know how the African American hair is really curly? That’s because they spent so much time running through the trees! But what the Church was thinking there’s a lot of professors who are convinced with scientific fact evolution is occurring. We can’t tell them they can’t. We need their 5% of their income! Do you know what those people make?
Women were supposed to obey their husbands. Then women began graduating from College, they wanted to follow their passion they started in college, often making more than their husbands and often smarter! Then you both were told to love honor and cherish each other for as long as you both shall live. So along came annulments, as if you were never married in the first place! Of course you had to go through a long ordeal over it but it did start occurring.
I could go on and on but what the church realized was it was not just archaic but so restrictive it was pushing people out the door! We had both written and filmed communication of the realities of life. As the men came home to their families; “Daddy, did you have to kill anyone?” Even child abuse was ok because child abuse doesn’t care how much or little money you make! It doesn’t have any boundries. And then the children grow up to be adults. Adults with money and their 5% that could have gone to the church!
Vatican II itself made me think logically about the church. Am I right or am I wrong? That’s up to me and my God. So did Vatican II make any sense to you?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
4 Apr 12
I was raised Catholic too, parochial school for 8 years too. I was like any other Catholic girl and thought about being a nun.
I quit because I read Foxes Book of Martyrs. A listing and account of the protestants who were killed and tortured by the church. Then, I got really into history, and saw even more hypocrisy and evil.
I love my Catholic relatives, I will defend anyone's right to belong to the Catholic Church. But my conscience would not allow me to stay.
There are good people in the Catholic church. People who love God and want to serve Him.
Vatican II severed the last link most had with the church, the rituals and the feast days. Not for me, to this day I celebrate St. Patricks day as a religious festival and not an excuse to drink and eat. My leaving was the realization that they could not be the only true church if they killed rather than loved those who believed different. Its there, in my training. They gave me my awe and reverence of God and fear that if I was not right with Him, I would be rejected. But it was the protestant church that gave me hope, who told me about forgiveness of sin, and not having to 'work' my way to God and live in fear of Him.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
4 Apr 12
I quit because I read Foxes Book of Martyrs. A listing and account of the protestants who were killed and tortured by the church.
I think you can also read a list of catholics who were killed and tortured by protestants.And you can read about a long list of people who were killed by both catholics and protestants like the witches.
I don`t think there is black and white in the history of the church.
I don`t think there is black and white in the history of the church.
@WakeUpKitty (8691)
• Netherlands
4 Apr 12
The Catholic church (read their history of ages) always been stinky to me. Murders, abusers, cheaters, criminals. Pointing with their finger at others, preaching what they don't live by themselves, keeping the poor people poor and getting rich themselves. Let people pay for their sins (lots of money). Nothing has changed. Women still have to obey, no birth control. You really think god cares about holy ground or not? God never asked for a church or statues of so called holy people. God gave brains to human beings but they don't seem to use it and prefer to believe what is told (no matter if it's a lie or not). You know that all people were black in the beginning not white at all?

@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
5 Apr 12
@WakeupKitty, as a past Catholic I can agree that many of the practices of the Church are unbiblical.
As a student of history I see that the Church, when it became the 'official' religion in approx. 300 A.D. began to be corrupted by the 'worldly' attitudes of power and prestige.
But I also know that there are many honest and good people, down through history who have been 'within' the church without being 'with' them in their wrongs. Protestant churches began as small groups who disagreed. Now, they are huge and the temptation to power and prestige has corrupted them as well. God calls out the individual and says, follow me. Seek and you shall find. I am the Way, the Truth and the Light. Each of us who are seeking may be at different stages of that journey, some may not be called out of the Catholic church, but rather stay as a sort of 'salt' that preserves.
God is interested in individuals. The Holy Spirit is able to bring those who are truly seeking truth to the truth no matter where they are.
God gave human beings free will. We will be held accountable as individuals. Not as Catholics, Protestants, or Pagans.
@2004cqui (2812)
• United States
4 Apr 12
What you say is very interesting! While some may not see the correlation of the Catholic Church and where people in general originated, I do! Even when scientific facts are given to racists, they ignore them and march on being racist. Right or wrong their thoughts and actions remain the same. The same can be said about Catholics! What they were is what they are. No matter what. It's all they know! Even with Vatican II I personally found out by bringing my children to church and religious education. I even taught religious education. I've taught my children to have no reservations about an open dialog with me at all times. Everything was going along fine, my oldest received first communion and was initiated to confession. In the Catholic church you must go to confession with the priest so he can absolve you for your sins before being able to receive the "body and blood of Christ. Then one day that child of 8 told me that when he's done confessing his sins the priest always said "Is that all you have to confess?" When I heard that I told him he never has to go to confession again. Shortly after I stopped bring my children to church. No guilt trips are ever to be put on my children! The Catholic Church is what it always has been, with or without Vatican II.

@honest_efforts100 (1607)
• India
18 Jul 12
I can partly agree, they do not make sense but at other hand they do. We run to church for confessions and this is where we get our spiritual food. They say the food for the soul. The Vatican II has also its best and worst. It all depends on individual believes on certain matters. Cannot always blame the church for what the society is going through.
@2004cqui (2812)
• United States
18 Jul 12
Hi Honest- I've learned from being raised in a Catholic school to suspect everything. Again this is very personal. Guilt trips, etc from the Catholic church are not necessary. I'm glad I can stand on my own. Catholic family members are surprised and happy I came out of the mentally disturbed household I was brought up in and the misunderstanding the church had about the way I was raised. I do suspect everything!




