Tele Marketing
By grandpa_lash
@grandpa_lash (5225)
Australia
April 5, 2012 4:58am CST
I don't know if this is a problem in Asia, but I think most Westerners have become accustomed to getting several unsolicited phone calls every week trying to sell them something. I hate it! I hate th invasion of privacy and the waste of my time, because there is no way I will ever buy anything marketed this way. To me the whole approach stinks.
But the telemarketing is not the whole of it. Something I hate with real passion is the way Western countries have taken to sourcing much of their labour in Asia, where they can get away with exploiting their workers to the max. This throws many of their own population out of work and destroys otherwise viable industries in their own country. Hey, it doesn't matter, they make lots of money.
Telemarketing is one job which now seems now almost totally populated by Indian or Sri Lankan staff, or lately Chinese as well. Now I am the least racist person you could find, and I have considerable empathy for the poor buggers who have to telemarket to pay their way, but it truly doesn't make the practice any more palatable when you can't understand a word they say. The accents can be really difficult, especially the Chinese ones who have learned their English from Americans, a double whammy for an Aussie.
So I hang up on them without letting them get a word in, as soon as I recognise the Asian accent. It is getting a bit worrying, since now some of our utilities are outsourcing to Asia, and I may actually be missing out on something slightly important, who knows.
How do you handle it?
Lash
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10 responses
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
5 Apr 12
Hi there Grandpa,
Most Americans echo the same complaint as you. It's not that we mind helping their countries out at all but it's all about big corp. greed. It is only the big corps that are saving and they sure are not passing those savings on to consumers at all. They are paying these workers a small fraction of what they would have to pay an American worker. Basically, they are using them. It isn't just the call centers but so many of our products and parts are outsourced now and jobs here are so hard to come by. And the quality on many things is questionable at best. Not only that, it keeps these people dependent on us when they should be looking to be independent in their own country. It just is wrong.
The telemarketers...so annoying. I ignore them. I have caller ID and if I don't recognize the number, I let my answering machine pick up.
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
5 Apr 12
With the telemarketers and call centers, I find they are generally polite and all. I do find the language barrier to be a problem sometimes. As for telemarketers, I just don't like being interupted at home by them and agree with Grampa, its just a bad way of doing business. I'm sure as heck not going to give them any personal information over the phone or buy something sight unseen nor tell them where I live. In that sense, it doesn't matter whether they are local or foreign...it's just an annoyance.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
6 Apr 12
The thing is with outsourcing that the work force in the richer Western countries is rapidly being dragged down to income levels more closely resembling Mumbai rates than New York rates, and eventually, the rich aside, we'll ALL be third world inhabitants.
Lash
@purplealabaster (22085)
• United States
5 Apr 12
You said that "the quality on many things is questionable at best". That has gotten to be a major issue here. Of course, it is more evident in physical items, such as jewelry and toys, and not as evident in other areas, such as telemarketing and call centers, although when it is difficult to understand what the person is saying due to language barriers, then that is definitely an issue. We have standards here that are not necessarily met when things are outsourced to other areas or items are imported from other areas, and the numerous recalls related to lead in jewelry and lead-based paint on children's toys is a glaring example of this.

@mysdianait (66005)
• Italy
5 Apr 12
"several unsolicited phone calls every week"
I got home about two hours ago. It is afternoon here and I have had four since I arrived! 
All of them were promoting one phone company or another and they had all phoned in the last ten days with the same propositions!
I have to answer the phone regardless of whether I recognise the number or not right now as I am expecting some calls from offices in the next few days. Sadly those calls are not arriving bu the promoters are getting through.
I politely tell them that a colleague of theirs phoned a few days ago and that I am not interested in whatever it is that they are offering. I am well aware that they are trying to do a job to buy their daily bread and I try to be as polite as I can - and while it is dayti,e I usually manage it. When they call after dusk, that gets me mad and I point out that they are invading my privacy as it is no longer the 'working' day for most of us. Still I refrain from slamming down the phone, even though I'm tempted to.
I got home about two hours ago. It is afternoon here and I have had four since I arrived! 
All of them were promoting one phone company or another and they had all phoned in the last ten days with the same propositions!
I have to answer the phone regardless of whether I recognise the number or not right now as I am expecting some calls from offices in the next few days. Sadly those calls are not arriving bu the promoters are getting through.
I politely tell them that a colleague of theirs phoned a few days ago and that I am not interested in whatever it is that they are offering. I am well aware that they are trying to do a job to buy their daily bread and I try to be as polite as I can - and while it is dayti,e I usually manage it. When they call after dusk, that gets me mad and I point out that they are invading my privacy as it is no longer the 'working' day for most of us. Still I refrain from slamming down the phone, even though I'm tempted to.
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@mysdianait (66005)
• Italy
6 Apr 12
My point too PA
They are intruding when they phone after a certain hour. They could call at week-ends if they want to catch those who work during the day. Indeed at week-ends they don't call at all. Odd that no-one wants to pay them the week-end rate 

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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
6 Apr 12
No slamming, lol, just a gentle replacing of the receiver. It took three years of increasing annoyance before I got that far, but I applaud those who can still remain polite.
Lash
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@purplealabaster (22085)
• United States
6 Apr 12
I can understand getting upset about telemarketers calling in the evening, but I can also understand why telemarketers do call in the evening. During the standard work day, many people are working or doing errands, and they probably do not get a lot of people that answer the phone during this time, especially these days when most adults in a household have to work to survive (there are far less stay-at-home parents than there used to be). Therefore, the best chance they have of selling anything is in the evening when most people are home and might possibly answer the phone. On the other hand, I also think there needs to be a cut-off on this, and when they call at 7:30 or later, then I really get angry, because that is when I am getting my little one ready and settled for bed, and I do feel they are violating our privacy an interrupting the family at this point.
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@tipay26 (867)
• Philippines
5 Apr 12
I would like to share a thing about telemarketing/telesales thingy and how you can handle these calls.First of outsourcing is not as bad as it may seem.Many outsourcing managers/owners turn their backs on some countries to place their company and give people a decent job.They do it because they believe in the talent of Asian people in business and in selling by the use of a telephone.Sure enough there are times that customers of these call centers may experience gaps in their language or in their accent simply because they came from a different country and even if they may sound American,Australian,British,Spanish,Chinese etc. still the accent of their native language will still be heard.But don't under estimate telemarketers or telesales agents they were trained hard in doing this job. I can say so because I was a telesales representative., and I am proud to be a Filipino who happen to have served and sold items using my previous company's means and their training.If you don't want to be disturbed by these telemarketers the best way to handle it is to let them finish their talking and honestly tell them you are not interested in buying from them.These telemarketers/telesales agents were trained to impress the customer in buying products from them and the only barrier is that if the customer does not like to buy then that is known to the telemarketer and they will hang up the phone and will bid you goodbye.And from a telesales agent point of view too we were so nervous at placing calls to persons we hardly know and offer them products it's hard being a telemarketer or a telesales representative.Its just that we are only doing the job that we are trained in and that we are introducing a more efficient and convenient way of buying products at the comfort of your homes.Outsourcing business is rapidly growing here in my country and I use to work for one.And as far as I have dealt with some foreign customers,some were good and polite some were irate, some were very demanding to the extent that if their favors are not obeyed they will get angry and cuss the agent it happened to me but it was okay. :)

@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
6 Apr 12
The pay rates in Asia are a fraction of the pay rates in their own countries, and they can insist on some pretty draconic working conditions, from what I've read. It's simple economics, but at an enormous potential if not yet actual cost to humanity.
Lash
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
6 Apr 12
From the point of view of the countries that are providing the call centres it may possibly be a positive thing, but not for the countries doing the outsourcing. It will eventually pull us all down to the same sort of income and living levels as are now found in non-Western countires, and I'm sorry, but that's NOT a good thing. The loss of native industries is also a loss of skills, and once lost they are hard to recover.
Lash
@tipay26 (867)
• Philippines
6 Apr 12
This just came in my mind while reading your comment.I just wonder why would these managers/owners of call centers place their businesses in foreign countries and hire foreign employee?I just don't get the logic of going to a different country and start a business then spend millions training foreign employees.As for the countries doing the outsourcing,I don't actually think its a bad thing for that country, Why? because before starting a business we have to pay taxes, registrations, that sort of thing and the payment goes to the government agencies of the country doing the outsourcing.and its a clear earning or income for the country doing the outsourcing.and those taxes and registrations are renewable in a year or two and that means steady income or earning for the country doing the outsourcing.That is how it is here in my country if you were to open or start a business it should be registered and paid for the taxes and I don't know how it is done in other countries.Outsourcing business helped a lot of people here in my country even the college degree graduates here in my country are employed in over a hundred outsourcing companies here.I am positively thinking that more business opening means more job opportunities and more earnings for the country and the people.And more jobs means more food on the table.Accepting or allowing foreign businesses doesn't mean that they are letting the native industries go down the drain.Allowing foreign businesses for me is a good way of having income too hand in hand with the native industry.Native industry will always be patronized by people in their countries and there's no doubt about that they will still love their own ;).

@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
8 Apr 12
G'day Lash. Good to see you here once more. I thought that you had disappeared, most likely it was because I have not been here much in recent months.
Yes the dreaded telemarketer. What about the fact that they always seem to call you up when you are in the middle of preparing dinner or eating? Or just settling into a relaxing evening! Where is their logic?
We ended up changing our home number and then getting a private number just to avoid them. And then we still got the odd one every now and then. I even get them on my mobile phone too from time to time.
We just returned from a trip to the USA where we rented a mobile phone for the duration of our visit. We did this so that we could keep in touch with emails from our staff member running our business at home, plus so that we could be contacted by people we were meeting over there. We got free internet access with the phone but we had to pay 60 cents per minute for outgoing as well as incoming calls! Yep! We had to pay for incoming calls!
Which was pretty annoying seeing as most of the incoming calls we got were from telemarketers spamming us with their recorded messages or were in heavy Mexican accents that we could not understand! Some were even in Spanish so we had absolutely no hope of understanding them! When I returned the phone at the airport I went through the list of calls and got him to note all the calls that were telemarketers but it seems like we still ended up paying for them once we got the final bill. Last time I use that service!
I am far from racist too, but when I want service from my provider and call them up, the last thing I want is to waste my time attempting to understand what an Indian is saying to me on the phone. I began requesting Australian people to talk to when I ring them up and they always put me through which works well. Of course, this is different to when telemarketers ring us up though! 
We ended up changing our home number and then getting a private number just to avoid them. And then we still got the odd one every now and then. I even get them on my mobile phone too from time to time.
We just returned from a trip to the USA where we rented a mobile phone for the duration of our visit. We did this so that we could keep in touch with emails from our staff member running our business at home, plus so that we could be contacted by people we were meeting over there. We got free internet access with the phone but we had to pay 60 cents per minute for outgoing as well as incoming calls! Yep! We had to pay for incoming calls!
Which was pretty annoying seeing as most of the incoming calls we got were from telemarketers spamming us with their recorded messages or were in heavy Mexican accents that we could not understand! Some were even in Spanish so we had absolutely no hope of understanding them! When I returned the phone at the airport I went through the list of calls and got him to note all the calls that were telemarketers but it seems like we still ended up paying for them once we got the final bill. Last time I use that service! 
@purplealabaster (22085)
• United States
5 Apr 12
Generally, I screen my calls and do not answer unless I know who is calling. If I do happen to answer the phone for a telemarketer, though, then I will politely tell him or her that I am not interested ... I usually have to interrupt his or her practiced speech to do this as I am not interested in listening to the entire thing before declining. If he or she pushes the issue, then I will again politely say that I am not interested and hang up the phone, even if they are in the midst of speaking.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
6 Apr 12
I applaud your patience, but mine has finally run out, despite my sympathy for the call centre workers. I still have to do what you do when the accents aren't Asian, because they may possibly be an important call, but they get very short shrift once I realise it's marketing.
Lash
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
6 Apr 12
Hi purple,
I'm usually the same way if I pick up not realizing which is usually when I don't have my glasses on. I'm usually pretty polite to them if I get a real person. A good amount of them are just recordings. I can usually tell when it is a telemarkter by the tone of voice even if they are not foreign...not always. I always at least listen to my answering machine as they are talking. Once I though it was a telemarketer. It was a foreign agent and right of said that she was not a telemarketer. She was calling about my cable bill. I'd forgotten to pay the bill and I never do that so they were giving me a friendly head's up.
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
17 Apr 12
Bah! Another one - in a distinct Asian accent, "I would like to speak to Mister D...". My response? "No. Sorry." Gently replace the handset.
Lash
@megamatt (14290)
• United States
5 Apr 12
It does rather bother me even more when it is some absurd time during the day. Obviously, no matter what time of the day, in case something happened to an older family member, I rather need to answer the phone. And then on the other end, there is rather someone trying to sell me something that I am not going to have no interest.
At an early time, I might be inclined to play along for a little bit but in this day and age, I just feel inclined to hang up and not spare the feelings of anyone. And yes, sadly a lot of people are going to be out of work. But obviously when you have a business and you are looking for labor that is just much cheaper, than the answer is going to be obvious. Time to outsource. It puts people out of work but it makes a disturbing amount of business sense. I always hang up though. Don't have the time or the patience any more.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
5 Apr 12
Perhaps it's time instead to accept the the "free" market is really quite expensive, and that the Gatt treaty was an iniquitous grab for wealth by the rich nations, and that maybe it's time to bring back import tariffs and rekindle your own country's manufacturing and food-produucing industries, and delink from the global con job ... oh, sorry, globalisation.
Lash
@KrauseHome (36445)
• United States
5 Apr 12
Personally I have always wondered why companies especially like Dell just use so many foreign countries for the people who handle their Customer service? In reality, especially with the Economy being the way it is, I would think they would want to hire more people who you could understand. I guess they never Stop and think about this and just try to shave a few dollars so their profit margins are even higher.
But it is True when there are places calling you for information, or telling you you have submitted some information and they are calling to see how interested you really are, how come most places never want to take NO for an answer, or sometimes you cannot even understand them to where you have to worry about what they really were trying to say. Aren't there easier ways to gain a Customer and do their business?
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
6 Apr 12
Well you put it in a nutshell with the profit margins. Most businesses today don't seem to care at all what their customers want; it's as though they think we're there for their benefit, not the other way round, so why do they care if we sometimes can't understand our telemarketers - besides, if a marketer's accent is so thick that he/she can't get through to the customers it will show in the sales figures, and then it will be goodbye, don't call us .... and replace that salesperson with another poor bugger desperate for any kind of job they can get.
Lash
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Apr 12
I don't like it either. I think that when we are at home that our phines shouldn't ring unless it is family or friends. I get especially irritated when it is one of those Saturday mornings that I actually have off from work and at 8am the phone starts ringing. There was one I got a couple of times that had a fog horn that would blow in your ear first thing announcing that I had won a cruise..LOL.
I also understand that people are trying to make a living but that doesn't make a Saturday morning fog horn any more pleasant. I usually screen my calls or turn the phone off altogether.
@mammots (3209)
• Philippines
6 Apr 12
here in my country; the Philippines; we also have call centers who cater to our local market so i too have experienced receiving this annoying phone calls. i usually politely explain that i don't have the need for the product the telemarketer is selling. i once worked for a call center as a survey interviewer for a well known call center here in my country so i know how it feels to be in their shoes.
@ARIES1973 (11944)
• Legaspi, Philippines
5 Apr 12
Hi grandpa_lash! We also experience those things in our country, most of the time at the office. Especially the credit card companies who would like to promote additional offers. Sometimes it is really annoying most especially if I am rushing some reports or doing some important matters. But nevertheless, I would politely tell the caller that I am not interested or I would call back later during my free time. I understand that is also part of their job.









