Do you need a Middle Man to find God????

@bird123 (10632)
United States
April 7, 2012 12:07am CST
Religions all over the world have their beliefs. They all want you to discover God through them. If they all had the true path to God, wouldn't they all be the same?? Which one do you believe?? Which one do you follow? Pick the wrong one and where will it take you?? Do you really need a middle man to find God?? Shouldn't your relationship with God be one on One?? Why do we have to have others in the middle?? Do you have a middle man with any of your other relationships in life?? If so, how's that working out?? Perhaps, people don't really want to find God. Many are happy with their relationship with their religion. So tell me. Do you need a Middle Man??
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
10 Apr 12
Without something or someone to verify your find, how do you know it is God you've found and not something you've invented? On what do you base it?
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
10 Apr 12
I have already found God, so I don't need to take that journey you keep talking about. I want to know how you know what you have discovered is God. On what do you base it? You say, "He has ways far beyond anything mankind has." Read the Bible. It has already told us that. Is that where you learned of the glory and majesty of God? "Hang around Genius and you are going to learn something." The Bible has told us to, "Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," and, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." Is this where you learned the importance of knowledge? Since you have told us you were reared on the Bible, what can we think but that you have found God through the pages of the Bible. If that is not the case, then how did you find God and how do you know it is God you found?
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
11 Apr 12
bestboy19 your quote: You say, "He has ways far beyond anything mankind has." Read the Bible. It has already told us that. Is that where you learned of the glory and majesty of God? My answer: It is one thing to read something in a book. It is an entirely different thing to experience it first hand. That is all I have been trying to get you to do. I can point, however the rest is entirely up to you.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
10 Apr 12
Your proof will come when you take your journey to discovery and find out for yourself. You don't need me as a middle man either. The challenge is on you. Are you up for it?? God has ways far beyond anything mankind has. Hang around Genius and you are going to learn something. When you start to see how what God is doing adds up so well, you see the genius in it all. Still, I am but a sponge ready to learn more. I have looked in the doorway and I am but an ant. Ah but I am an eager student as well.
• United States
8 Apr 12
There may be those who say they're unsure and others who say there is no God, but that which is known about God is evident within mankind; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that mankind is without excuse. However, no one comes to God except through Jesus Christ. He's our middleman.
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• United States
9 Apr 12
Once again you have revealed your ignorance of God. There are secret things that belong to God alone. The things God has revealed to us belong to us so we'll know to obey Him. You really do think you're on the same level as God, don't you? Now write back and tell me God's IQ is off the chart and that you are just an ant. What I value is forgiveness and that is our gift from God's middleman, Jesus Christ. If you know this is not the truth, prove it. PROVE IT!
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
9 Apr 12
6precious102. Invisible attributes??? What invisible attributes?? God isn't hiding anything. Your quote: so that mankind is without excuse. My answer: Once again, you do not know God. You value Blame. God is above those petty things of mankind. Loose the Blame. Loose the condemning others. Loose the hate. God has. God only cares about the results. God loves all His children Unconditionally. God will do what it takes to teach all His children to love unconditionally through their own free choice. Patience. We are getting there. Your quote: However, no one comes to God except through Jesus Christ. He's our middleman. My answer: I already know first hand this isn't true. No one needs a middle man in their relationship with God. Actually things work much better when it's One on one.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
10 Apr 12
6precious102. your quote:There are secret things that belong to God alone. My answer: God isn't keeping secrets. God isn't hiding anything. In fact, God places it all within our reach. It's all waiting for us to DISCOVER IT!!! This is where we acquire wisdom. Your quote:What I value is forgiveness My answer: Religion has corrupted your thinking. They have convinced you that you are wretched, evil, and bad. Why don't they focus on your good qualities and nurture them??? They find something wrong with you so that you need them to fix you. And yet, there is nothing wrong with you in God's eyes. Should you really be telling God: Forgive me for Living??? How can you ever truly know God when you keep that middle man between you??? It's so sad. You are missing so much. It's sad you value your religion over God.
@urbandekay (18278)
11 Apr 12
Indeed no, that is the meaning of the curtain being torn apart; no longer is the priest to go alone behind the curtain to mediate with God for forgiveness of the people. all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
11 Apr 12
Unfortunately some Churches have remembered this all the best urban
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• United States
11 Apr 12
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@urbandekay (18278)
11 Apr 12
Oops I mean, some Churches have failed to remembered this all the best urban
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• United States
9 Apr 12
I believe All religions are true paths to G-d. But no one Needs to choose a religion to have a relationship with G-d. It is all about choice. Not every person needs the same relationship with G-d. Christians Need a personal G-d. They long to be with Jesus. Me? I never want that. For me G-d is just an essence, not in a form of a person. Does this mean they are right and I am wrong? No. We are just different.As for the middle man? Many do Need them but others don't. That is when the choice comes in. There are so many oaths so Everyone who Wants to find a path can find the one that fits them. The sad part is many see their path as the Only way to G-d. No, it is the only way For Them to G-d. It fits it is natural For them , period. and all this bullying has made many say No thanks and not pick a path. and that is ok too. I don't believe Everyone Has to have a religion. so all I can say is find the path that feels right and be faithful. And if you don't have aa need for a path to G-d, thendon't choose one!
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• United States
10 Apr 12
I guess I was never " open to discovery" . If it were up to me , the Americas would still belong to the 500 Nations lol. If G-d is truly a person then I'm damned . There is no way I can relate to a G-d person so I will stop trying to fit in because I won't and just be damned. That is why I believe G-d can come in many forms, be called by many names and can be have many different connections.if there is Only one way, then I Know I won't do it correctly so I'm damned.
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
11 Apr 12
You don't know God. You just know religion's view of God. Yes, you fit in better than you realize so stop damning yourself. God doesn't. Further, you need to stop feeling the pressure to conform to everyone else's will. Love yourself for you are unique in spite of what anyone might think or say. BE WHO YOU MUST! IT'S A PART OF THE PLAN!! Do that and Love yourself along the way. God loves you Unconditionally. You would really like God. Look in the mirror every day, Find something nice to say about yourself. One day, you will see it too.
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
10 Apr 12
That's what life is all about, CHOOSING and the learning that follows. I know religion has taught people to value beliefs and never seek the real truth. Sadly people become contended with beliefs then go no further. By doing this they are no longer open for discovery. Many are convinced that God can't be reached or that God is an essence or universal force. God is actually Someone. I have experience to this. God is not what religion is teaching. Sure, all religions have God in them, however they do not really understand.
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@allknowing (130066)
• India
9 Apr 12
Theology is knowledge about God and one needs to have someone to teach us about it. There are various approaches to it and one takes the route through a religion one is born into to learn about it.
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
11 Apr 12
As long as you have your own thinking, I won't worry about you.
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
10 Apr 12
Religion does not really understand God. If you use religion as your only source of information, you will never understand any better than they do. Why would you choose to limit yourself to the thinking of others???
@allknowing (130066)
• India
10 Apr 12
I did say there are various approaches and most resort to religion. You must have heard of a phrase "God of one's understanding". Each of us through life's experiences get to know God. I have my own thinking although as a child my parents did initiate me through religion.
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@BLTLife (337)
• United States
10 Apr 12
Most of us need a middle man to find God. Most of us don't even know what we are looking for or even what questions to ask. But I do have to point out, you are playing the middle man right now bird.
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
11 Apr 12
Little ole me, a middle man??? I am merely pointing a direction by which you can choose to go. I make no demands. I won't threaten you will hell if you don't hear me. I won't even allow you to follow me. I want you to stand on your own two feet and discover God for yourself. Now, am I really in the middle?? Of course not.
@BLTLife (337)
• United States
11 Apr 12
You're not the typical middle man. You are still trying to direct people to a different way of thinking. You don't need to ask for something. You don't even have to disagree or agree with people. You are attempting to help people think more clearly to help them find the god inside themselves. You're not saying, I have to go through you to reach God. But nonetheless, you are a middle man. Just one that you only have to see once.
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• Thailand
8 Apr 12
What is a god without a religion? Is it wise to discard the thinking of all the great philosophers who have thought about and written about our relationship with god? Is it possible to form an idea about a god that is unique and uninfluenced by one of the established religions?
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
8 Apr 12
It's all a question of whether you want to know God or mankind's view of God. There is a difference, you know. Still, one can learn from interaction with any source. One can learn much from religion, however very little of it about God.
• Thailand
8 Apr 12
Unless you live in total isolation I fail to understand how you can develop a concept of a god untainted by the view of others. While you may not follow a religion there is no way you can develop a totally independent philosophy without the influence of the society you live in. Is god love? If it is, your philosophy is incorporating some Christian concepts. Is god one or many? Whatever your concept you are influenced by the philosophy of others. What is the benefit to your culture if you are to harbor a concept of god sans religion? Are you to develop your own moral code independent of those around you?
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
9 Apr 12
Chiang_Mai_boy. If you are to discover the real truth, you must look around you in an attempt to discover God's actions. You must study what God is doing then figure out why and how. The goal is learning about God. When you do, your view of mankind's religions will change. Sure, you will see God in every single one of them. You will also see the hand of mankind. You can choose to be influenced by religion OR you can hang around Real Intelligence and really Learn. I'll choose to hang around God. Do you really think you need religion to know what is right or wrong?? How do those poor atheists find their way home without religion's moral code? Simple, it isn't needed. Consequences have always been a much better teacher than preaching.
@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
8 Apr 12
Yes but not as called or branded as a Middle Man. But as a helper or tool to guide the way. Every human beings need to help each other. A blind man cannot have life as a human being if he is not being with humans' society. There are no such thing as a Middle Man but only a helper or guider. It is just only us or we human beings and God alone is the only connections. Jesus Christ (a word of God that became a human flesh to live, suffers and die with us like human beings) is not a Middle Man nor also the Saints, priests, pope, preachers they are all tools, examples, symbols, helpers or guiding silver thin lights to connect every one of us to God. We need Jesus Christ, the saints, pope, preachers, leaders and other religious or spiritual entities or symbols. Even we already knew that there is a God. To inspire and imitate them for those who have accepted and have not yet accepted God.
@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
9 Apr 12
yo bird123 buddy. Can you just please think simple and direct to my point? And, please don't be so serious you might get a heart attack or constipation. Did I said a 100%? You are the one who assuming consciously thru your sub-conscious mind that I am assuming a there is a 100% that they may be right? Both of your paragraphic argumentations has no point of directions regarding to your own discussion. I cannot see a clear point of view from you. Either which whom to follow or not. Or do need or not need to follow someone or somebody. Or which one is to think about or not think about. It is like food that hard to digest that lead to a terrible constipation till my nose enough to bleed. But okay, I admit that there is a real one middle man and that is the Holy Spirit. As Jesus Christ have said the Holy Spirit is the one who are going to shed the light of truth to us about Jesus Christ and God.
@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
9 Apr 12
How about please elaborate about a Middle Man from God you are referring. What or who is middle man? That you want to forget or disregard them completely 100% (this is what I assume to you) or take them out of our connections to God. Just forget them and let us be with God. Then who is them, who is us, who is we, who is I? That what God's wanted to be with Him. Do we have to tell all the people not to follow 100% anymore to the saints, priests, pope, spiritual leaders, preachers and so on? Because we don't need them or want them because everyone of us already know God? Because we have the ability to know God solely, alone or only by our own selves? Because we are all smart, we are all thinking human beings? . . . . . . . ARE WE? Do WE? Really? All of us? Are all smart and all are thinking perfectly? to clearly know, follow, accept God? We don't need or even wanted to be inspired all the orderly goodness of God of what we see or experience of being with other human beings???
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
9 Apr 12
Accepting or not accepting God is not an issue. Perhaps you should say accepting or not accepting your religion. There lies the assumption I am talking about. You assume these middle men are 100% right thereby you will follow blindly. God want His kiddies Thinking not following. Granted, the people around us are God's tool for teaching. These people are also learning. God works on multiple levels with multiple views. Still, it is important for people to stand on their own two feet and discover God for themselves rather than rely on the view of others. One just might be surprised when one actually discovers the truth for themselves.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
11 Apr 12
Hi bird, No, we don't need a middle man to find God, the whole idea is man made or should we say, church created. Blessings.
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
12 Apr 12
Religion is nothing without followers. I guess one should expect religion to find a way to be the middle man. On the other hand, those that follow blindly don't have a clue this is going on until someone shines a light on it.
8 Apr 12
I can't see it as of any great importance. In this relationship an individual needs are whatever they believe they need as the whole thing is contained withing the minds of the people involved. If a person believes they need a middle man to bring them to god and they find one then the job is done and if they believe they can find god for themselves by whatever path and it works for them then problem solved. The only times these ideas have any effect in the real world is when authorities make legal decisions based on the myths generated by someone's idea.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
9 Apr 12
Middle men lead you to where they want you to go. This might not be where you really had in mind if you really knew the truth. Still, it is a free choice everyone has. There are lessons to learn as well. It's easier to follow, however sometimes the harder path will end up with the best view.
@preethaanju (3000)
• India
7 Apr 12
No we don't need them. In fact if we keep our hearts and mind clean we are nearer to God than these middlemen. Just because these people are involved in religious rituals it doesn't mean they are accepted as true servants of God. They too are human beings like you and me.They too carry the good and bad karmas like all.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
7 Apr 12
Your quote: In fact if we keep our hearts and mind clean we are nearer to God than these middlemen. Yes, and the ideas they spread of people being wretched, sinful and not worthy of God pushes people toward religion rather than toward God where they should be going. Religion is a lesson indeed,just not about God.
@JohnRok1 (2051)
9 Apr 12
Preetha, "if you keep you heart and mind clean" ... I'm afraid mine were never clean; through the Blood of Christ they are now clean in the sight of God, and one day all defilement will be totally removed. But me keeping them clean?!?!??? Just be careful you're not deceiving yourself about yours - I leave you to your conscience.
@JohnRok1 (2051)
9 Apr 12
Christ was always God and became Man at Nazareth. As Man, He is our middle man or, as scripture calls it, our Mediator. So we must go to Him directly as Man, recognizing that He is also God. The work He did to save His own, He did as Man. And He is the Mediator not only with His own Divine Nature, but with the Father.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
10 Apr 12
Christ is not God in spite of what religion wants you to believe. Christ is a child of God, but then so are all of us. You can discover God without any middle men. In fact, you will discover God quicker.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
11 Apr 12
Hell does not exist. No one will prevent your actions from returning to you so that you will understand what they mean. God will love you unconditionally regardless of your choices. I will too.
• Philippines
7 Apr 12
People are being deceive they said to go to the priest to confess sin.While other true one will confess sins directly talk to God and the proof is that Jesus is the only way John14:6.Jesus said i am the way,the truth and the life no man cometh unto the Father but by me..No need to be someone in the middle but only Jesus the one...Is not pope etc,but only the man Jesus and that is the true one.
• United States
7 Apr 12
I completely agree. Why would you need to have a relationship with God through another person. I mean think about it, we don't have a relationship with our husband/wive or boyfriend/girlfriend completely through our friends. We don't have our friends do the talking for us or show affection for us because then it would be a relationship between our friend and our spouse....it just doesn't make sense. You can't have a true, meaningful relationship with God through another person.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
7 Apr 12
Yes,and mankind can lead one to many places that are not God at all. They can convince people of many things that simply are not the truth. Those middle men actually can prevent people from discovering the real God. Sure, for some, it's easier to blindly follow others, but what does one really end up with,a relationship with religion. It comes up very lacking to a personal relationship with God.
• Malaysia
8 Apr 12
Why do you need jesus as middle man? So if i dont believe in Jesus is Son Of God, why does that shoud effect my relation with my god? I believe in the same god christians believe, i believe Jesus is God messenger, not Son of God, why does that shoud effect relation between me and my God?
@amyaeric (80)
• United States
14 Apr 12
I do not need a middle man to have a relationship with God, I strongly believe that you can have a very powerful and meaningful relationship with God with out a middle man. When I go to church it's not because I need a middle man to tell me how to have a relationship with God, I go because I thirst knowledge in how other people read and percieve the bible. It has taken me 20 years to find a church that does not preach conviction into their congregation, or use the scare tactics of if you do this or don't do this you will not make it into heaven.I don't believe it's any humans place to judge another mans relationship with God. I seek out help from pastors, and family when I am struggling with something religious but I don't personally make them the middle man to my relationship with God.
@urbandekay (18278)
15 Apr 12
I do not think such Churches are rare here all the best urban
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
15 Apr 12
Sounds like you have found a rare church indeed. Regardless, it's good to hear it's about you and God with no middle men. That is definitely the right direction.