Do not rebuke the wicked people in order to avoid hatred and insult!

@sabado_dc (1001)
Philippines
April 9, 2012 2:14pm CST
Proverbs 9:7,8 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you. --God forbid but I think this is a plain wrong! This is a deviation from the teachings of the Prophets! Who wrote proverbs? The Jews? I know the Jews didn't use to restrain one another from doing wicked deeds, as soon as a prophet died, they sank into wickedness. They did not even wait for the death of Moses; the moment Moses went to the mount, they made a calf and worshiped it. 1) Do you have the freedom to insult anyone/anybody? Why? Why not? 2) If you were gods are you going to forbid what is good and command what is evil? You may want to share on this topic?
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
10 Apr 12
Instead of reading only verses seven and eight, you should have read down through verse 12. This would have told you what Solomon was saying and answered you questions.
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@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
23 Apr 12
But we all love to discuss
@SinfulRose (3527)
• Davao, Philippines
9 Apr 12
Did you even try to understand such a verse before putting it online? Allow me to make this proverb simpler to understand: Try to correct a man who won't listen to reason would only lead to him to attack your position/person--therefore the "insult" and "abuse". But try to correct a person who wishes to learn more, and he will thank you for it. Does this sound simple enough?
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
10 Apr 12
I am sorry but your answer is unsound! Do you think that what you have written has a positive correlation to what I have exemplified? Nothing. 1) How could you correct a man who won't listen? 2) How could you correct a person who wishes to learn more? I had given you two questions and if you have just answered them, there could more rationality against the passage. In your school, you, being a third or fourth year student, Have you ever tackled a word problems in math? You have to remember the involvement of division and multiplication in solving not only in numbers but in words..
• Davao, Philippines
10 Apr 12
I can't answer your questions when I am not sure whether you have fully understood the meaning of the proverb that you have seem not to comprehend at all. Maybe the reason why my response to you was unsound was because you are more concerned on the last part of your discussion details when my concern was--to try and help your understanding--on the first part which is the full implication of the proverb itself. To answer your current question to me: 1) There is no way you can help a person who won't listen to reason. You would only incite anger or annoyance in him that will lead him to insult your position or person. This is what the part of the proverb that you've only placed there meant. Let me also add, the other part of the proverb that you've missed out talks about correcting a wise man. Wise men here are people who are open to suggestions, what is the truth and what is new. This is the person who, I mean, wishes to learn more. 2) You correct him like you would correct anyone. When you correct a person, you mean to help the person to learn from his mistakes. So if you correct a wise man, a person who wishes to learn more, then you will be thanked for it. Oh, we tackled too many things in math. But those were logical from the very start. What I mean is, I cannot move into the next question without having to assert whether the first part of the problem is solved correctly because, if your discussion details is to be liken in math, your discussion details has more connecting problems than two.
• Davao, Philippines
10 Apr 12
By the way, about the part where Moses went up the mountain and left the Hebrews to themselves... Moses was up and chatting with God for days (try more than a month). So the Hebrews got bored with nothing to do. So they went ahead and made themselves a god out of gold. Just an info, in case you didn't know...
@BLTLife (337)
• United States
9 Apr 12
We have the freedom to insult, not harass. And I feel like you 2nd question is loaded. But id I were God, I wouldn't forbid anything.
• Canada
11 Apr 12
BLTLife, God does make rules for us but most the time he lets us have free will about whether we obey them. That's why an angel doesn't appear and clobber you whenever you have lustful thoughts about someone else's spouse or something. However there are things that are major piss off factors for him (e.g. homosexual rape gangs) and tend to get heavily dealt with. Do you really want rape gangs roaming around anyway?
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@BLTLife (337)
• United States
11 Apr 12
Sorta mistyped. I'm saying we have the freedom to insult anybody. But not to the point where you are badgering and harassing a person. And if I was God, I wouldn't forbid anything. I don't believe it's his place to try to force people's hand. I can understand guiding them, but not force.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
10 Apr 12
I am sorry but your answers made no sense to me
• Philippines
10 Apr 12
The proverbs always teach the right thing.It is wonderful Book because everything is found in the Bible to teach,to correct what is wrong and not acceptable to God.. Correcting is the wise things and good for us..If the wise/Christian saved believer corrected by the Word of God,they should not be offended but accept it love the correction.. While on the other the simple,unbeliever when they corrected by the word of God they will think the are insulted or they are abuse,but in God is not ,it is to correct it ..to them it is wrong to teach about God words of correction,but to God is the right thing for us to live it right.
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@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
23 Apr 12
Hi, Yeah you have answered correctly. God said, Love your neighbors as Yourself. Thanks
@JER616 (545)
• Philippines
11 Apr 12
@Sabado: Both verses you mentioned speak of how a rebuke is accepted by either a mocker, wicked and a wise person. For the mocker, a rebuke will incite insult just as rebuke to a wicked person results to abuse. This is very similar to what Jesus has taught in Matthew 7:6 -- "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Nonetheless, a rebuke will be accepted and appreciated by a wise person as he accepts it as instruction and learning. (verse 9). Personally, I do not find the verses wrong. First, all the words of God are in righteousness, there is nothing froward or perverse in them. (Proverbs 8:8) Second, the book of Proverbs was written by Solomon, the most wise man who has ever lived as ordained by God Himself (1 Kings 3:12; 4:29). Could you please explain why you said that these verses are "deviations from the teachings of the prophets"? Regarding your other questions: 1. Do you have the freedom to insult anyone/anybody? Why? Why not? Per Biblical standard, a Christian should not be found insulting someone. Psalm 15 implies that for someone who can abide in His tabernacle, such should not be found in him. However, God does not forbid us to correct/comment on others' mistakes, especially if the mistakes are deplorable against God, and to remind others of what God wants us to do. (Hebrews 10:25) 2. If you were god, are you going to forbid what is good and command what is evil? The god of this world does (2 Corinthians 4:4). Honestly, I don't see where you are coming from by asking this. Could you please elaborate?
@JER616 (545)
• Philippines
24 Apr 12
Care to be more specific on your concern so that with God's help I may be able to address this headon?
@JER616 (545)
• Philippines
11 Apr 12
Mind you, Proverbs 9:7-9 are not commandments but the verses are telling a truth of how these types of persons accept rebuke.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
23 Apr 12
Honestly, I don't see where you are coming from by asking this. -- I only have one concern and maybe you can help me. I am against the passage, honestly.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
9 Apr 12
No, No right to insult others, we have to deal with them kindly , Sorry I can't reply the second question , I see that you must don't ask about thing will not happened like this .
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
10 Apr 12
Nice your answer is -- for the question number 1 and for the no. 2.) (i)I sad gods not God. (ii) if you were which means impossible to happen and that you are free to give and share your thoughts.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
23 Apr 12
I also believe in one God and we only have one God.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
10 Apr 12
You know that I believe in one God , so I wrote this response , good luck
@rusty2rusty (6751)
• Defiance, Ohio
9 Apr 12
No, I don't think we have the freedom to insult anyone. Depending on how it is done. Some laws are in place to avoid it. Like if you insult someone and slander their name all over. You can be sued for damages occurred. But I have witness where many people will do what they want to do anyways. They just don't care who they hurt. I think it is morally wrong. If I were a God (which I am not), I would encourage the good things and discourage the bad behaviors.
• Canada
11 Apr 12
rusty, the problem with not insulting people is that sometimes speaking the truth sounds like an insult. I don't think you should criticize people for things they're unable to change or likely to find difficult to change (being short, fat, having funny accents etc.). This is very painful and the person can't learn from it and correct it. I think if people do stupid and/or evil things they're fair game. I tend to follow the example of the prophet Elijah, as some people may have noticed.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
23 Apr 12
Can you please cite a few about the example/s of Prophet Elijah, Graptopetalum?
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
10 Apr 12
Nice answer! We do not want to tempt others to commit evil deeds
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
11 Apr 12
Hi sabado, I don't think that we have the freedom or the right to insult another person - and we all have different ideas as to what's right and what's wrong. We don't even need to believe in a God or Gods to know how to live our lives, in fact, many atheists are good citizens. Blessings.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
23 Apr 12
You mean the greedy? The communists? I am so sorry. I think they like our spratly islands..
• Canada
11 Apr 12
I think this is general advice rather than a law. You may not know if the person you think is doing something wrong is wicked or wise, then there are degrees and people with shortcomings and strengths in specific areas. Maybe the right choice of words may shock a bad person into realizing their folly. Then you could find a diplomatic way to point out something. Often, if I'm tempted to do something questionable, I ask myself, "How will this make things better?" Usually the answer is that it won't, so I don't do it. Perhaps you should put this question to others who you think are doing questionable things. If people are saying or doing bad things in public, you probably should voice your objections so other may at least know that there are arguments against this and not everybody agrees. As others have pointed out, Proverbs was written by Solomon who was an Israelite king (before Israel divided into two kingdoms). I think it would be more accurate to talk about the Israelites than the Jews for Biblical events that happened before the northern kingdom of Israel was carted away by the Assyrians to become the "lost tribes". Jews are really the people from the southern kingdom of Judah: the tribes of Judah, Levi and Benjamin. Then Solomon belonged to the tribe of Judah. I don't think it's true that Jews (or Israelites) didn't stop each other from doing bad things. I'm sure many of them have and still do (or at least tried/try). 1) Well I suppose there's freedom of speech but also slander/libel laws. These laws usually only apply to rich people (which is rather unfair - I really think the legal system should include a "level playing field" principal that doesn't give unfair advantage to the rich but also I think slander and libel can be very damaging so poor people should be able to take action on such issues). Does insulting people usually help much? Well I think it's a form of ritualistic fighting and may prevent actual physical fighting so perhaps it helps more than it seems. An insult that points out a real shortcoming of the person may make them change their ways. 2) I don't think this makes much sense as God defines what's good and bad.
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
23 Apr 12
2) It's because I was against the passage but you can rephrase it by interchanging the two main points -- to forbid what is evil and command what is good' But overall it was a great response! Thankyou
@sabado_dc (1001)
• Philippines
23 Apr 12
I agree. Israelites, in general should be the right term to use.