Psychology and Politics
By grandpa_lash
@grandpa_lash (5225)
Australia
April 14, 2012 10:43pm CST
I have long been a devotee of Carl Jung's theories, particularly his Psychological Type and his Archetypal Psychology. Many contemporary psychologists have extended his work, and one of those is Carol Pearson, who writes particularly on Archetypes.
A definition: Archetype is a universally understood symbol, term,[1] or pattern of behavior, a prototype upon which others are copied, patterned, or emulated. In psychology, an archetype is a model of a person, personality, or behavior.
Pearson works with a twelve archetype model, in three sets of four representing three life stages: development, achievement, and maturity, which she calls Ego, Soul, and Self. What I'm interested in for this discussion is her four developmental (Ego) archetypes, which are in two pairs. The Innocent provides the knowledge of what we want and need; the Orphan defines the shape of our growth; the Warrior sets goals and defends the boundaries of our identity; the Caregiver provides the balancing compassion that refines that identity.
The Innocent and the Orphan are the issue of Security.
The Caregiver and the Warrior are the issue of Responsibility.
Again, for this discussion I am only interested in the first two. The Innocent is the archetype of Trust: that is, the desire to be trusting, to see the good in things, to be optimistic and positive. The Orphan is the archetype of Discrimination: that is, the ability to recognise who, and when to trust, and how much, but it is also an archtype of pessimism and cynicism.
In sociology there are two major themes regarding the development of society, and they can be summed up in the work of two men, Hobbes and Rousseau. Hobbes wrote Levaithan, and is famed for a statement that could be the motto of the Orphan. He saw that life was a constant war of man against man, and for that reason the political state was an absolute necessity to avoid anarchy and the rule of brute strength, and in this sense he would not be a favourite of the far Right with its belief in "small" government. But he also described life as "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short".
The far Right seems to take this latter to heart, see everything as a war, and take no prisoners. People deserve only what they can get by their own efforts, and if that means the poor and incompetent starve or live lives of unmitigated misery, so be it, this is a Darwinian world and the weak must perish.
It seems to me that this Orphan approach to life, if not softened by at least some development of either the Innocent or the Caregiver, is why there appears to be no way of reconciling Right and "liberal" views. A person with "liberal" views, in the sense of having some of that innocence and compassion, can be a committed conservative, or they can be a radical socialist Greenie, but whichever, they can come to no understanding with far Right Hobbsian Orphans.
In other words, in this rather roundabout way I have stated that the differences in political belief systems are more a matter of innate psychology, of character or temperament, than they are of learning, knowledge, or thought. What think you?
Lash
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
13 Jun 12
I've read some on the theory of archeatypes, Caroline Myss I believe the author was.
I do agree this is a easy way to explain personality in people. Her explanation was there are positive expression/negative expression of each of the 12 types and a mixture of each archeatype in our personalites.
The problem is in determining the source of personality, are we born with a predetermined personality or is personality formed by experience? Or a mixture of nature and nurture?
As a mother, I can tell you that my child's basic personality was there in utero. And very obvious to me once born. What is another interesting thought is how the interaction between mother and child after birth, even the mother's emotional state during pregnancy might have on the child's personality. I've studied the teachings of Ms. Myss and she leans toward the 'spiritual' side of this subject. Meaning she sees these archeatypes as a cause/result of our choices and choice being a gift of our source. She is of the wiccan belief system if I am remembering correctly. She theorizes that we actually choose our 'soul' or personality before birth and are not aware of the choice once we are born.
one last thought on the conservative/liberal personalities;
http://www.libertymind.com/
The two major goals of the modern liberal agenda: the Modern Parental Society and the Modern Permissive Culture, seem to show me that liberals want to return to the childlike state of not being responsible, of having someone else take care of them, or to be the caretakers and therefore the ones with the power over others. Or even more interesting, having NO consequences for their actions at all, sort of like a spoiled child?
It is all about perspective isn't it? lol
Liberals wish for 'fairness' 'social justice' some call it.
It is all about perspective isn't it? lol
Liberals wish for 'fairness' 'social justice' some call it. @debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
13 Jun 12
(forgot to finish my thought)
I remember my kids standing at the counter watching very closely to see that what I was dishing up or pouring was 'fair' and 'equal'. lol
and I remember having two of the five coming back to me as adults saying, "Mom, why didn't you tell us that life was not going to be fair?"
I had of course, but they did not listen and retain the lesson. Conservatives are to me like the parents in society. Listen kids, I love you all the same. but Johnny here is the oldest so he gets to stay up later. And of course Jane here, she's the baby so she cannot play outside alone. We are all created equal (loved the same by parent) but we are all not equally able and the parent who trys to make it all 'fair' winds up not only hurting the child, but making more 'work' for themselves.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Jun 12
I don't recall saying liberals fit any certain archeatype. What I said was they all seem to want everything to be 'fair'. But life isn't always fair, is it? And expecting it to be is childish.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
22 Jul 12
wow GRAndpa Lash you are m aking me think on a hot day but
I can see a lot of truth in what you wrote here.while
we do have different inate psychology of character and
temperment we are also worked on by the p eople around'
us to some extent bu t this is not a cop out as we also
have the ability to resist a lot of influences that others
think have changed them. we do not have to accept everything'
anyone else thinks we have to.,its been so many years
since I studied Jung but I really liked what I read and
learned. I think I am not a conservative but I do feel
for those less fortunate than myself and spent most all of my
working life in caring jobs,first as a nurses aide later I worked as a page in our local library still helping people as I shelved media. that last statement of yours may well define the differences in our political belief systems. I did read Hobbes and some Rousseau but its been a long times since I thought much about it.


@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
22 Jul 12
oh my gosh after reading the one above me I am nothing as its
been years since I studied Jung and the others. and I did get a B A in English but not psychology so I do not pretend to be even
an amateur psychologist, just an elderly woman who went back at age 54 and got her BA at age 56. I am not illiterate except in pschology.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Apr 12
It is amazing how things have been based on certain standards. Pearson sounds very much like Freud with the Ego, ID, and superego theory. I know the context is a bit different but development can be much the same in people and their societies I guess. I think that there is far too much based on the way things have always been. I guess that people take comfort in the things that have worked for..or that they think has worked...for their ancestors. I was very disappointed to realize that even if there was a group or person that wanted to stand out or be different...well..that would be a "sub=culture" and nothing more.
Anyway..yes..I do think that there is a lot of things political based on the "innate psychology," character/temperament. After all..there aren't that many people that would even want such responsibilities or be able to...let's call it.."carry themselves" in the manner of politicians or government officials. Learning is limited to what will benefit them.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
30 Apr 12
jen, I was thinking as much that our innate type explains what makes some of us "liberal", some conservative, some conformists, some radical, some moderate, some fundamentalist, and so on. Jung's psychological Type goes a long way to understanding this, especially when we look at MBTI studies, but archetpes also have a lot to do with how we express our type. There are only two kinds of people, those who are "liberal" and those ......
Maybe Pearson based her divisions on Freud, although she certainly didn't say so, but then they seem such obvious divisions to anyone with any understanding of the human psyche that it is likely it was as much parallel discovery.
Lash


