We can't prove it

@rocketj1 (6955)
United States
April 16, 2012 6:47pm CST
A woman at work has been periodically stealing cash. We all know she's the one doing it although it cannot be proven since no one has seen her actually stealing. Even our manager is aware of it. Other people have been getting stuck with paying the money back at different times because it has come from their registers. Michigan is an "at will" state. In other words, the employer AND the employee both have the right to terminate the employment without giving any cause at all. This woman could be fired TODAY, if they weren't worried about her drawing unemployment. This is sooooo frustrating! If I'm working the same shift with her now, I feel like I need to babysit this person to make sure she is not stealing when my back is turned. Fortunately, the missing money has never been from MY registers. I'm afraid she's going to try that next. I just wish someone would do SOMETHING!
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13 responses
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
17 Apr 12
Why don't they set up a camera? It would only make sense. Then they would even have the right to procecute. No one should have to pay it back if they already are suspecting her. Good luck with the situation.
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
17 Apr 12
Just put up security cameras then. They are legal many places have them. We had a set in my sons game room, just so we would know what was going on. We didn't use it all the time, but when he had a bunch of kids over, we could turn them on and make sure things were ok, as our house seemed to be the hangout spot, and they could hear us coming up the steps. My daughter gave us such problems when she was a teenager, that was the only way we would make him a special hangout room upstairs.
@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
17 Apr 12
I was talking to the manager today, and he seems to be leaning that way. I'm just not sure if he can legally place a hidden camera though.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
17 Apr 12
Having surveillance camera or CCTV or even a hidden camera (just to have evidences)on your work place really help. Also, try to set her up or trap her. Try to mark or get serial numbers of the money in your register and when it is missing you, I think your employer has the right to make investigations and search for that money and when it is found on her, you can have the proof already of stealing money from registers. Does your work place allowed employee to bring money while in the registers? Here in our country most employees in a supermarket, fastfood or grocery stores, employees are not allowed to bring their belongings while in duty. Their pockets have been search first before proceeding to registers as well as after their duty. In this manner, they can see wether they steal money from registers.
@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
17 Apr 12
I'm not sure that in the US anyone has the right to search your personal belongings or your person unless they have been given "just cause" to do so. With freedom, comes a little danger. My manager has been talking however about installing some sort of surveillance camera. But of course, if she knows it's there, she will probably stop stealing. Which is good, but we'd love for her to get caught so she can get fired!
@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
17 Apr 12
Not sure about the laws on hidden cameras. That may not be legal.
• Philippines
17 Apr 12
Gotta have a hidden camera so she will not be aware that there is a device looking at her moves.
@AmbiePam (85681)
• United States
20 Apr 12
I'm surprised she hasn't been fired under those current circumstances.
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
17 Apr 12
The cash registers here in the US, pretty much all of them lock. I have worked for two places where the register did not lock, one place I didn't even *sign in* to the register. The place I work at now you have to sign in to the register and no one knows your password. They may know your cashier number but that is used a lot at work, just no one is to know the password itself. I had one time when I worked for a store where we didn't sign in to our registers, a person who was stealing money. It was actually a key carrier who counted the money from the registers and that is when she would steal it. My assistant manager thought it was me and I told her that it was not me that I had no reason to steal money and wouldnt' dream of it. She finally talked to the person doing it and teh person doing ti admitted it to me.
@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
17 Apr 12
Our registers are locked with a key. Only managers have keys. The person stealing is a crew person who sometimes will hop on a register if we are busy. However, money is never missing from a register if it is assigned to her. The last time we had money missing, I was there with the thief and a manager. We think what probably happened is that the manager left her keys on a back counter, went in the freezer to do food counts and I either stepped in the restroom or went out to the lobby to clean. The keys must have been used when we weren't looking. We have a very small crew and we are probably a bit too trusting. I will definitely be more cautious in the future!
@katsmeow1213 (28717)
• United States
17 Apr 12
If management knows she's stealing, I don't understand why she hasn't been fired yet. She can't get unemployment if she was fired for stealing. Doesn't your store have cameras? Can't they watch the footage to see her actually taking money? If not, can't they bluff and say they caught her on tape to see if she confesses? I'd be frustrated too, and probably wouldn't want to work for a company that allows such things to happen. Though I understand in this economy you can't just up and quit a job without having another lined up, and that's hard to do these days. I wish you luck! Hopefully she'll be fired soon.. if not, I'd start looking for a different employment opportunity! If nothing else, I'd tell your manager that you refuse to let her anywhere near your cash drawer! It would not be fair to you.
@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
17 Apr 12
We can't fire her for stealing unless it can be proven. The manager could just go ahead and fire her for no reason as Michigan is an "at will" state, but he does not want her drawing unemployment. We do not have surveillance cameras. But the General Manager is thinking about it. If she were to use my register, I would be protected since registers are generally signed on by management unless they want to take the time to put it in my name and have me count the drawer at the start and watch them count it out at the end of my shift. In other words, the registers are in the name of the shift manager. When money is short, THEY are the responsible party. So at this point, it does not affect me personally but still angers and frustrates me.
@fannitia (2167)
• Bulgaria
17 Apr 12
This is a weird situation. But if no one can prove that she is stealing why are you so sure that she is doing this? Anyway your boss should do something about it. Maybe talk to her and warn her to stop? I hope that you won't be her victim the next time.
@rocketj1 (6955)
• United States
17 Apr 12
Of all the times that money has been missing, she has always been working. This is not true for anyone else. Also, after getting to know her, it would certainly not be out of her character to do something like this. She feels very much "entitled" to lots of things. For example: She said to me once, "you know how when you are at the doctor's office, you always take something home with you? Like some cotton swabs or some gauze or something?" She was telling me about taking surgical gloves from the doctor's office when the doctor was out to the room and giving them to her kids to play with. I thought "What?! No! I don't take stuff from the office and I especially don't steal stuff to give to my kids!"
@anne25penn (3305)
• Philippines
17 Apr 12
I hope that she gets caught red handed and gets terminated! The nerve of that person to steal from someone's register and then to leave that person to pay for the money that she stole. I used to have a co-worker at Pizza Hut who we knew was stealing from the register, but we just couldn't prove it. That co-worker never did this when I was the manager on duty. She would claim to be short changed whenever it was this other manager who was newly promoted was on duty. In order to catch her, this manager and I swapped shifts and she thought that I wasn't the closing manager. By then I already knew that she had filched a P1000 ($22) bill from the register because that was the only P1000 bill there. This is the highest denomination in Philippine money and when I confronted her about it, she denied it. But I had the register read and had her count the money, and sure enough it was short of P1000. I terminated her right there and then. I know that times are hard and other people are so desperate that they resort to stealing. But I have been very, very poor and never had I resorted to such. I do hope that person gets caught because it is very unfair for those people that she is stealing money from, and to think you are all working in one place!
@Madona1 (2096)
• Gibraltar
17 Apr 12
Oh dear, I cannot figure out this. "Even your manager is aware of the woman at work stole money" and there was no immediate action taken......What kind of the company is? I understand you said that you cannot prove it, did that mean she is a professional thief who was good at stealing and never get caught?
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
17 Apr 12
I work in a store and employee theft is so common. Cameras are a must and they still don't stop a real theif. We had a woman there once that was stealing from my till before I came on my shift. She would take my drawer and sign me on before I got there and start working off it and stealing from it. My drawer was always short 10.00 or 20.00 each time. My boss thought it was me at first. I told her my suspicions and she put an end to starting up my drawer but then started just taking from it directly from the safe. My daughter and I set her up and proved what she was doing. For some reason, my boss still did not fire her. Eventually she quit...thank goodness. Its hard to work with someone like that.
@Sreekala (34312)
• India
17 Apr 12
Hello rocketj, You must be very careful on keeping your money at work. It is really frustrating to pay back the amount which lost without your knowledge. It seems she is an expert in stealing money that is why nobody can catch her stealing activity so far. Your manager can do something. One of the responder already suggested that fixing a camera; I think that is a nice idea. Just keep the camera without her knowledge.
@megamatt (14292)
• United States
17 Apr 12
That is really a frustrating situation to say the very least. Where no matter what you do, it does rather seem like there is a no win situation. At least you know who is doing this act. There are times where there has been a thief, but it could be one of any people. That is really just something that is a situation that many have rather dealt with. I really have no insight of what to do. The person could be dropped like a bad habit and if there is a way to prove it, brought up on charges. But there is the fact that something that might be rather hard to prove and like you said, this person can draw unemployment, which means that they are just winning. There is really just somethings where no matter what happens, they cannot really just win at all. Talk about a tough situation.
• Philippines
17 Apr 12
If there is a way there is a will. LOL. Stealing is possible when security is not enough. Add to this the fact that a woman will always be treated kind further making her feel invincible despite her bad intent. The question would be, why does she feel it ok to steal? Well, if she has enough money in her bank she would likely not steal.
• United States
17 Apr 12
man this isn't rite, who would be doing this to others, heartless