What do you do with a good friend who has terrible kids?

@mommyboo (13174)
United States
May 9, 2012 6:36pm CST
Do you TELL them what the kids do or do you (for the sake of the friendship) gloss over it and try to just deal? I have a friend I've had for a long time, and I do LIKE her kids but recently the kids got chewing gum all over my car, spilled stuff and didn't say anything OR clean it up, and left juice boxes half full all over my house. Yes, I know some of you are probably sitting there thinking 'gee, MY kid does those things too' but the thing is, MY kid knows gum stays in your mouth OR goes in the trash. She also knows that if you spill something, you attempt to clean it up and if it isn't cleaned up well, you get mommy. She also knows to finish whatever she takes to eat or drink as a snack OR to at least throw it away. She also has a LOT of other friends who behave the same way she does when they are in my car or at my house. I ask them to bring in trash and throw it away, they listen. I ask them to be careful with gum, they listen. If they have an accident, they come get me immediately. These kids are not toddlers, they are all school age. How to handle this? Frustrating. I think it's harder too when you have expectations the kids do not have at home.... like my daughter sometimes has a hard time sitting at the counter or table when at someone else's house, because at home she is allowed to eat in the front room or sit on the couch, and sometimes I let her bring snacks in her room if she puts a towel on the carpet first.
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12 responses
• Valdosta, Georgia
9 May 12
You made me think of a friend that I had for a little while. I really liked her but her kids were horribly mean to my daughter all the time! I slowly distanced myself from her. Then eventually I completely stopped hanging around her because her kids were out of control. Aside from being mean they would do the same kinds of things, spill things and make a mess and say nothing! Then one day they came into my house without even knocking and went in my fridge without asking! I came out of the bathroom and caught them and told them they were never allowed at my house again. That was that. Their mother had NO control of them at all! I told her and she said she could not find them and now she knows why and she laughed about it! I decided losing a friend was much better than losing my mind, lol. Some people should not be parents and she was one of them. Any kid that enters my home now I immediately tell them the rules. If they do not follow them its time out, if it happens again they will not return. No ones going to disrespect my house and stuff I worked hard for... I know that seems harsh but I cannot stand disrespectful behavior! My children at young ages can and do follow my rules so other children can handle the rules too...
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
20 May 12
It just frustrates me because with consistency and clear boundaries, the kids would behave. The problem is, when they aren't expected to by their mom, then they are lax around me and I hate it. I don't want to be MEAN but I have standards. It doesn't make much difference to tell them the rules and expect that they get followed EVERY time if somewhere else, people don't care. It's kind of like when step parents get frustrated because they have certain rules when the kids visit but at home they are allowed to disregard all of them. Kids learn by habit just as we do, you can't create good habits if they only have to follow rules HALF the time or less!
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
12 May 12
If these are school age children and the mom isn't with you when you have the kids the kids either listen or there are consequences. I would stop taking them in the car, and probably wouldn't let them come to my house unless their mom is with them. If the mom is your friend you should be able to tell her and she'll either fix the problem or you need to distance yourself from the kids. Honestly, if your child doesn't behave like that then you might not want your kid to be around them.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
22 May 12
My kid usually warns them that they will get in trouble and she tells them not to do whatever it is they're doing! The boys don't listen to her at all unless she raises her voice and starts getting upset, but at that point I usually hear her and try to figure out what's going on. The girl, her friend... she usually listens because she doesn't like getting in trouble. There are times when she listens and then she is the only one NOT in trouble... but it's frustrating because then the boys will pick on her when my back is turned and it stinks to have to follow around an almost 11 year old and a 6 year old because they are throwing things and making fun of the 8 year old because she was GOOD. I just don't know why people believe it's okay not to have clear boundaries and expectations so that people LIKE your kid. The kids trash their own house regularly and I just could not put up with it - can't put up with - here.
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
22 May 12
Wow! They sound like horrible kids. Especially the boys picking on the girl for being good. I hate to hear any child being picked on. Guess that's just the protectiveness in me. I hope you can work out your problem. Sounds like they all need more than a time out. LOL
• United States
18 May 12
If the person really is a very close friend, you can address it directly. Long-time friends who have been through a lot together can handle that sort of thing. However, if your "good" friend is someone you've known for a short while and hasn't been by your side, or you by hers, though some serious lows, you probably aren't close enough to her to have that conversation. People do get very defensive when it sounds as though you're criticizing their parenting skills--not a big deal if you don't care about keeping the person as a friend, but, otherwise, it means having to tread very carefully. Instead, simply hand her kids paper towels when they spill; try to avoid them having gum while in your car, etc. If they really are too messy, limit the amount of time they spend at your house. Instead, you can arrange play dates out at a park or another place where you and your friend can chat while the kids go off and have fun; that way, she gets to clean up after her own kids, and you're not left feeling like your home and car have just been trashed.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
22 May 12
The car thing was such an accident, we were outside talking and my daughter let them all inside the car with her. I did not even realize all of the kids were in there with her until they started making faces at us through the windows and knocking on them. AFTER they got out was when I found the gum - I didn't want to yell at my daughter because I knew she hadn't done it. I took gum away from her for 2 weeks the one time she stuck gum on the seat on purpose. I'm always pleased when she shares with her friends because a lot of kids are selfish and won't share, so I didn't want to make her feel bad about sharing either. Things just did not turn out the way I expected them to that day lol. It's so hard trying to make sure you're being firm but fair. I was in a hurry to leave too, usually I make the kids take all their trash and all their things out of the car every single time they get out because nobody should have a trashed car after one trip with 4 kids. Nobody.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
10 May 12
They are not a good friend anymore. I would not want either, their kids ruining my house, or their kids being a horrible influence on my kids. Both of which can happen at the same time. I would rather not be around such kids, or such parents. Find friends who are wise and decent enough to control their kids. Good builds good. You have your kids hang around with other good kids, it will make your job as parent easier. Bad builds bad. Have your kids hang around with horrible kids, and they'll be just like them in no time. "But I don't want to lose a good friend!" Take her out for coffee every other month. Talk over e-mail. But I wouldn't come over to the house, or have them over to yours. It's best for your family. Find other friends to hang with.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 May 12
Yep, I see your point and I did slow my contact somewhat. I think everyone does have a weak spot and this very well could be mine lol. For the most part I do weed out toxic people and things and tell them to jump off a bridge.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
21 May 12
It hurts. Sometimes the best things for us, are the things that hurt. Especially when it's someone you care about.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
10 May 12
Most parents do not take too kindly to criticism of their children. How people raise their children is ultimately up to them but it's too bad that the kids have to pay the price, especially later on in life. No one likes a kid who has no respect for other peoples wishes, property, rights, whatever. They like adults with no respect even less. And that's what it all boils down to is respect. Even if they have not been taught how they should behave in another person's home or car from their parents, if they are school-aged as you have said they should have been taught some respect in the classroom. Do they behave this same way in the classroom or are they made to mind their manners? Often kids behave like this just because they can. If it were me, I'd tell the kids, in no uncertain terms, what is expected of them when they are in my territory...house, car, playing outdoors in my yard etc. If they don't abide by the rules send them home. If the mother questions it I would tell her the truth but wouldn't explain my actions unless she asked.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 May 12
I would take the criticism (and my kid would get in trouble) if it were brought to my attention that she was being careless and messy and disregarding the rules at someone else's house. I know what you mean though because that's one of the reasons I posted this, I do love my friend but she just doesn't handle things the way I do. Sometimes in the past she has gotten upset with me for disciplining her kids - one time because her son attempted to steal something from my daughter and the only reason he got mad was because I CAUGHT him. It was a toy that was very special to her which she carried around with her everywhere, so I was really mad about it because she was beside herself when we thought it was missing. I also sometimes don't understand why I have to TELL them repeatedly something every time they come over. It really doesn't make sense to have to tell a 6 year old or a 10 year old 'you know, you're not supposed to just get gum out of my purse. You need to ASK me first and even so I can say NO.' I tell my daughter no sometimes too and rather than throw herself on the floor screaming or try to take the gum anyway, she might huff or pout but she doesn't fight with me or have a meltdown lol.
@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
21 May 12
Some people just don't believe in disciplining their kids, which is sad really as in the end it is the kids who pay the price. Unfortunately those unruly kids grow into adults with a whole new set of problems. People have to realize that having kids is a huge responsibility.
• United States
10 May 12
I think you should let them know. I have a friend with Three bad kids ages 5,8 and 17. Honesty is the best policy...I have told her about her bad kids and given suggestions to improve their behavior.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
22 May 12
Well, the kids listen and appear to understand WHY I ask them to behave a certain way, but they are just extremely 'forgetful' and I know it's because they do not have the same sorts of expectations when they are NOT with me. I'm not even that strict in my opinion! I just expect people to pick up after themselves in an age appropriate way, meaning most kids, even small toddlers can throw away trash or paper and plastic silverware or cups, empty juice boxes etc.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
21 May 12
Hi Mommyboo, Actually, I have done a lot of daycare and I have to say that your expectations are not unreasonable at all. The things you mention are basic rules of I would imagine most peoples homes as well as schools and other public places. I think if it were my very good friend, I'd be candid with her. I'm sure you know her well enough that you could word it in a way that is not offensive but gets the point across. Look at it this way...in the long run, you will be doing her kids and her a favor by not tolerating this behavior....if they listen, that is. I think that sometimes kids and friends just get so comfortable with those that they are real close to that they act in ways that they would not in other places. Not sure if that is the case with your friends kids. I know when my kids were small, if they were going to get lame or act out then it was at home.
@adforme (2114)
10 May 12
A friend's children can present quite a test of your patience. It is always a safe bet to assume that if a child is acting in some unpleasant way, it is because of a combination of his parents' behavior, lack of home training as well as the child's personality. A study found that kids have their true personality around age six. I am someone that believes a little understanding of the golden rule and a little discussion with a child's parents' about his or her behavior can help the situation. If the friend's children are completely unbearable, it may be time to consider ways to have as little to do with the friend's children as possible.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 May 12
There is a secondary problem related to this.... my daughter is closest with her daughter and not necessarily the other kids. The girls are the same age and have known each other for practically ever. I love to find opportunities to get the girls together when possible - they don't attend the same school because we don't live in the same neighborhood. Anyway, in general when it's only the girls, none of this stuff happens. She listens to my daughter when she warns her that something is not okay with mommy. It's the boys that don't always listen or disregard, and I used to think it was just because they were boys but my daughter has some other good friends that are boys and THEY are very respectful and follow the rules. I don't get it...
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
10 May 12
People are too defensive about their kids. I would tell the kids what is expected of them at my house, in my car, or something like that and I would tell the mother what is expected at my house from her kids just so she knows. Then if her kids run back saying that I was mean or something because they had to clean up their toys or juice boxes or something like that and they get mad, I would say well I told you what is expected of people in my house, car, and so on. If the friend is still upset about it then you might have to break the friendship. I mean after all, she should have a little more control of her kids.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 May 12
It just sucks because I never expected to find chewed gum all over my car after they had only been in there for like 10 minutes! REALLY? Do you just take gum because it's in someone's car and then spit it out everywhere INSIDE the car? LOL! I think I was more shocked at first before I thought about it.
@jureathome (5361)
• Philippines
10 May 12
Since they're my friends, I would tell her nicely about my observations on their kids' behaviour. I wouldn't make it sound like they're monsters, but in a concerned way. Perhaps, they didn't notice that those behaviours are annoying to other people. Another way would be to directly tell the kid what the right thing to do is. If they're resilient enough, they would keep your advice and it'll be an additional point on their good morals and right conduct.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 May 12
I don't think they are monsters, I think they lack consistency and they also like to push peoples' buttons lol. If I catch something IN the act, the kids shape up immediately. it's when I'm not on top of things that they try something or get lazy. I'm just getting tired of having to be on them, I hardly have to supervise my daughter any more when it comes to things like 'make sure you spit gum in the trash and don't wind it in your hair' or 'when you finish that juice box and corn dog, please throw away the box and the stick'. I mean, she's 8 for heaven's sake, she's been doing those things since she was TWO. If she doesn't know by now then I'm a total epic failure lol. The thing is though that I started those habits early and I never let down on my expectations that she follow those to the best of her ability whether at home, traveling, at someone else's house, with me or daddy... or with someone else. The expectations are the same. It's not okay for her to goof off or refuse to be courteous just because we're on vacation or she is being cared for by a friend. She knows that though. I've always been clear about that and I've always praised her for good behavior so I haven't had to discipline her much in that regard. She also knows that if she's with my friend and she gets sassy or messy, she will get in trouble just as quickly as she would at home with me. It helps a lot.... if the rules are different everywhere, then a kid will act crazy because they know they can!
• United States
10 May 12
You sound like you have done a wonderful job rasieing your child just wanted to tell you that.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 May 12
Thank you - I really appreciate that ! I'm blessed that she has been a good learner and not tough to raise. I try to teach her not just the right things to do but WHY you should choose those things. I don't want her to necessarily JUST do what I tell her to, I want her to choose the right things for the right reasons.
@krupar5 (287)
• United States
10 May 12
I always try to teach my children to be respectful and to clean up after themselves. I understand how frustrating it is when I am caring for my nieces, nephews, or friends children and they leave their trash everywhere. I usually set rules before I let the kids play. I ask them if they have a drink or need one to please ask me and then I ask them to please leave it in a certain room or place. I also let them know that if they cannot obey my rules they will be suspended from coming over for some time. If after a few times the kids cannot listen or attempt to abide by my rules I would talk to the parents. It can be hard to confront a friend especially when it is about their childen. I would suggest you start by letting her know you enjoy having her kids over, but that they have been having trouble abiding by your rules. Let your friend know that you do not want to cause problems but that you have rules and they need to listen to them. If she is a good friend then she should not be upset with you for telling her the truth. You may want to ask her if the children break your rules how she would like you to correct them. I tell all my friends and family that any child(ren) act up I put them in time out after 3 warnings. Since telling my friends how I watch the kids and what we do I have no problems confronting them. They say honesty is the best policy and it is true. I did have a friend mad at me for some time when I told her about what her kids were doing,but after a few days she apologized and we are still friends.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
21 May 12
The biggest problem for me is lack of consistency. There are times when the kids are GREAT... but there are times when the kids aren't. I never know how it will be. I also don't get it when they don't listen to my daughter. She'll even TELL them - hey, don't do that, my mom will get mad at us.... and 10 minutes later I find out what they're doing and what do you know... I get mad. It's not like they don't know and she doesn't warn them lol. I remember being a kid and if my friend told me their mom or dad would get mad if we did x thing, I usually wasn't at all interested in doing whatever it was. When i got older, sometimes I would weigh the consequences against not getting caught - but that's more when I was a teenager lol. I use time out or simple distracting for really little kids, the older ones usually lose something and also have to be separated from the other kids and/or whatever was causing the problem. If they've hurt somebody or broken something, they have to apologize and then we have to come up with a way for them to 'fix' it. None of the kids likes to clean up but I've told them all that if they dislike cleaning up so much, maybe they should learn to be less messy.