Marrying your own flesh and blood.

Philippines
May 12, 2012 8:42am CST
What I mean is marriage between two family-related persons. I was really confused when I was a child when I saw a European-themed cartoon, wherein the younger sister of the boy keeps insisting on marrying him when they grow up. They were from a very rich family, and my childhood mind was beyond shock when they did married each other in the end of the story. I asked my Mom immediately because I know it wasn't normal, because it was unheard of to me by that time. She told me it happens when the family don't want their riches and wealth to be shared with other people, she told my young mind that it usually happens in Royal families(that's what I think she told me). What do you think of this? I know there was a term 'incest' but what would you say if the relationship is consensual?
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• United States
12 May 12
The reason many people are outraged by incest is that it is forbidden in the Bible. That is what it is and I wont say anything about it. A secondary reason, I believe and have read, is more or less innate; we are evolutionarily programmed to seek out someone a little more genetically different than us as a mate. This, combined with the fact that family is usually brought up together and has tons of conflicting, non-romantic feelings for each other, is enough to make incest abhorrent to most. But in some places, it is culturally necessary. For example, in the royalty of Hawaii and many other Pacific islands, a brother-sister marriage was prized because it kept all the royal blood concentrated. So what is the actual biological risk of having children with genetic disorders? Actually pretty low. In the general population the risk of an inherited disorder is about 2%...in first-cousin marriages it doubles, but that's still only 4%. Now, if this continues to happen over generations, like it does with many royal families, the risk jumps higher and higher: that's referred to (rather rudely, I think) as inbreeding. So I'd generally say that if two family members know of a family risk for any disease, they definitely shouldn't attempt to procreate. If offspring isn't the goal, and it's completely consensual, between two adults....then, I don't know. I don't have anything against it.
• Philippines
12 May 12
That is why the rich become richer, and the poor become poorer because the rich don't want to share their wealth by marrying only within their family circle.
• United States
12 May 12
No problem, it was a thoughtful question and deserved a likewise answer. =) Whenever something's considered "just immoral," I always try to discover the reason behind it. Morality is a human concept, not a concrete thing, so it's always interesting to learn how we formed our most innate beliefs. I dunno, maybe I just like playing devil's advocate.
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• Philippines
12 May 12
Wow..I've learned a lot from your response. I'm really happy that you took the time to read the discussion I've started and responded to it rather greatly. I didn't know that it was forbidden in the Bible actually, I thought it's just immoral and all that's why it's been a taboo. Yes, the concentration of the royal blood and wealth in some cases too would be the reason why this often happens. It's good to know that there are open-minded people like you when it comes to this, I actually realized when I got older that it wasn't so bad (if the relationship is with genuine feelings). I was actually wondering, what's so wrong with loving someone from your family, not just familial but romantically.
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@WakeUpKitty (8694)
• Netherlands
12 May 12
When exactly it is incest? According to me it's only forbidden in the first degree which means: mother with son, father with daughter, brother with sister (even if it's adoption brother and sister). For the rest it seems to be allowed and it happens in many cultures (Turkish for example) with all kind of health issues as well (that's why my turkish friend is upset most of her family member do and there are also many who are deaf). Royal families do exactly the same and we do the same if we breed with birds, flowers, vegetables, dogs, cats etc. Since a certain race you can only get through "incest". I don't know what kind of cartoon you saw but for young kids it's normal to say they will get married with their mom, dad or brother or sister. Nothing to be conerned about since little kids don't know the meaning of marriage the way adults do. I think your mother is partly right, this is exactly why there are so many arranged marriages and women are still given away to the "best" part. No matter if you are poor or rich everybody wants a better life.
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• Philippines
12 May 12
Oh, I didn't know that it wouldn't be forbidden if it's not first degree 'coz it's not a very usual situation in my country or maybe people were just really subtle here because its a real TABOO, I'm not aware that there was some kind of rule such as that. I thought people it still wouldn't be allowed even if they're 2nd, 3rd and so forth cousins. I think I had that too, but not to the point I would ask marriage. When I was elementary and my friends would always tease me about crushes (tch, children) I would always say I don't have any crush but my older brother. Oh God, that was horrifying, I'm just glad no one in the family had heard of it. I'm glad my friends didn't mention anything about it to my Mom or Bro, or that would be so awkwardly awkward. I think the cartoon was titled Sophie...Imma search it and blame it for corrupting my oh-so-innocent-and-young-mind-back-then. ^^
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@wongchoiyee (7413)
• Malaysia
12 May 12
Oh no, it is not normal to do that, the baby born into this world might have handicapped or some kind of illness as I was told by my mother. We can only marry our third degree cousin, I believe it happens in Royal families and I don't like that too.
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• Philippines
12 May 12
Yeah, I heard that theory too but I have a friend who's cousin have had child with his first cousin too and the baby is normal. My sister has a co-worker who's wife is his first cousin too although their family is really against it. It was really mind-shaking for me. I pity their children too because they wouldn't have two set of grandparents...it would really be confusing for them.
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@sjlskl (3382)
• Singapore
12 May 12
I was told that we are not suppose to marry cousins from the paternal side. However, it is fine for the maternal side. Of course, if you are talking about sister and brother, then that is a no no. As for step-siblings, thou they are not really related, morally, it is not right for them to get married too.
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• Philippines
13 May 12
I didn't hear anything like that about the paternal side, I only heard that you're really not allowed to have a romantic relationships from anyone in the family. Thanks for participating in this discussion anyway. :D
@factorial (977)
• Philippines
12 May 12
That is incest! It should not happen because they are human beings!
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@wittynet (4421)
• Philippines
13 May 12
I strongly agree with you! The parents should be blamed for they let their kids think that way until they have come of age. These siblings thought that it's normal to marry each other.
@jureathome (5361)
• Philippines
12 May 12
Well, what do you think happened in the B.C. time? People before Christ married and had kids with their siblings and cousins. Scientifically, it may not be right, due to incompatibility of genes or DNA, that could cause health defects on their offsprings. But, socially, it is happening, and its not a crime. It just feels abnormal, because its considered a taboo.
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• Philippines
12 May 12
Yes, when there was a handful of humans (around 4.1 million years ago) they married maybe their siblings or cousins. But now we are over 6,000,000,000 humans walking on earth... so we could marry outside our family circle.
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• Philippines
12 May 12
I still stand on my ground... let marriage be outside the family circle...
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• Philippines
12 May 12
It's not that bad to look at for me, especially when their relationship is because of genuine love not just because they have to do wealth and blood concentration. When there is real love, I think there have to be no bounds.
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• Philippines
13 May 12
There is also a scientific explanation why siblings or close relatives should not marry. It has something to do with DNA and all that their kids might be abnormal with physical or mental defects.
• Philippines
13 May 12
Yeah, I've head that one before. But if it's not too much trouble, I'd like to ask your own insight to this? What if there is 'Love' involved in the relationship, what would you think?
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
14 May 12
It's still inc*st. There are laws against such in the US. This is to prevent diseases caused by inbreeding. What ever weakness the family may have would be intensified. Marriage between very close relatives is taboo in the Old Testament laws given by God to Moses. However, marriage between cousins was encouraged. I uunderstand that this is still the custom in many countries.
• Philippines
14 May 12
Hmm..I don't know if there's really a law like that in my country. Thanks you for your brief but very informative response. :D
@wittynet (4421)
• Philippines
13 May 12
It never occured in my wildest dream that I'll marry my brother or any of my cousins. No one taught me that it's a taboo, but I feel and I know that it's not right. It maybe because of the fact that I was raised in an environment where no one marries their cousins or siblings. This post made me think that if I was raised in a community where siblings marry each other or parents marry their kids, and the like, maybe I'll not also consider this a taboo. Oh my God!
• Philippines
13 May 12
I never did as well, but I think I've had a little crush on my protective bro when I was young haha! Or maybe I just really admired his protectiveness over me that I've mistaken it as that. Although, no one knows about it in the family, and I would rather them not know anything about it. It's really awkward when I was old enough and realized how awkward it sound. Gee...But I think it's not too taboo for me, if they did it for genuine love I guess I wouldn't stop or maybe I will? LOL! Indecisive much?