Seymour Hersh; D. Cheney invovled in talk over Navy seals used to kill Americans

"or rape someone. If you deny that, you are liar." - I don't know what kind of friends you have but me and mine never sat around discussing raping someone. I think you need some new friends. "But if you really intend to attack Cheney over a rejected idea" - Read what I wrote: "I find it a bit disturbing that a investigative reporter like Seymour Hersh who is an American Pulitzer Prize-winner would think its alright that this story never ran because the idea was only talked about." So its ok for the press to run a Presidents thoughts on gay marriage or a presidential candidates thoughts on how he helped the Auto industry but lets skip over the fact that they thought about killing American service members. "This happens all the time." - It wouldn't if the press did their job. Things like this should be brought to the public's attention, before some backroom private meeting puts it into action. The fact that the New Yorker sat on it and never wrote the article is alarming in itself. "This isn't anything to get worked up about." - If this would of come out during someones campaign it would of finished them. In my scale of whats important top politicians or military officers even entertaining the idea of using Navy Seals to kill American servicemen is pretty damn important. That's not any kind of leader I want in office.

"And the press shouldn't go crazy over such. You and I disagree on this I see." - You bet we do. Things like this go unreported but what one of the Kardashian's wore last night make headline news. Its garbage journalism and the main reason why are country is in the can. Real news goes unreported while the "dumb'ing down" of the general public makes headlines every day. "It shouldn't. There is nothing there worth bothering with there. I would hope most Americans are more reasonable than you are being." - I don't know maybe most Americans could give a rats behind about the service members who protect this country but I do. I think its not only insulting for top officials to be discussing ideas like this but shows lack of respect for the men and women who protect this country. As someone who has a kid in the Navy who is assigned to a destroyer heading back to the Mediterranean again I sure as hell want to know if there are idiots in charge who can idly sit around talking about plans to drag us into a war under false pretenses by using Navy Seals to kill sailors. "You start whining about some random idea rejected in a brain storming session, and those holes in the network will be closed up real fast. Then we'll never know when something horrible goes down." - I disagree. You let this slide and the next thing you know they won't be talking about it they will be doing it.

I didn't say you sat around discussing it. I said you had that thought. As for my personal friends, I have none. I simply know how men think. I've been around them long enough to know what they are like. You have thoughts. You reject bad thoughts, as bad, and don't act on them. It wouldn't if the press did their job. No, I don't think so. The government would simply get better at hiding such things. Right now, the government knows that the press isn't going to go crazy about a brain storming session, which has all kinds of crazy stuff said, that isn't acted on, and wouldn't be acted on. And the press shouldn't go crazy over such. You and I disagree on this I see. However, if such things were idiotically reported, nothing would change... not one thing would be any different, except.... they would be more secretive about it, and it wouldn't be leaked to the press. If this would of come out during someones campaign it would of finished them. It shouldn't. There is nothing there worth bothering with there. I would hope most Americans are more reasonable than you are being. But again, if it was something that the press would ruin people over, the exact same conversations would happen, just with a tighter controls on the media and who was involved in the conversations. But they would still happen, just behind more tightly closed doors. In effect, what you would advocate here, would cause a more secretive government than ever before. And that's more dangerous. If you doubt what I'm saying.... Just consider the effects of Wikileaks. The vast majority of the cables that were released publicly, were pointless and stupid. There was nothing of any real value to them being public information. Even those that were, most of which were of minor value, and the vast majority of those were not acted on. The result though, has been that Obama has turned international cables into the most encrypted and closely guarded secrets possible. Now, this isn't an attack on Obama, because ANY president would have done the same. But now, what happens if something really horrible is sent via cable? We won't find out about it at all. The effect of Wikileaks on system has been to make it more secretive and closed than it ever was before. All for the sake of having a cable saying "there is a lot of corruption here" released to the public. Embarrassing, but pointless. See? I want stuff like that to be ignored specifically so that if or when, a back room deal does happen, we can find out about it. Most of the time, the reason we find out about these shady deals, it is because for years the press ignored meaningless stuff like what you refer to. The establishment forgets there are holes in the information network. Then someone does thing bad, thinking his communication is secure, and poof... it ends up in the news. You start whining about some random idea rejected in a brain storming session, and those holes in the network will be closed up real fast. Then we'll never know when something horrible goes down.

It was only an idea. A very strange and disturbing one, but an idea brought forth in a meeting just the same. It never gained notoriety with the countries leaders. It never happened, the idea was shut down and it never will happen.

You mean like how we never went to war with a country because they wouldn't get rid of their weapons of mass destruction that they never had? Ironically the whole incident occurring while Cheney was in office. Pretty sure the same guy who shot his friend in a "hunting accident." Yeah, absolutely nothing at all shady going on over here... Oh look, an eagle.

We can only hope when the time comes those they give the orders to will remember their oath is to the defense of the constitution. Because I am sure who ever they give these orders to wouldn't live long after they completed them.

This isn't a what if the other guy does this scenario this is a what can we do to persuade the public to get behind an Iranian invasion scenario.