The Issue of Jobs
By AidaLily
@AidaLily (1450)
United States
May 22, 2012 9:45am CST
Currently, in the U.S. we are all watching the "reality" game show known as our presidential election. Fingers are being pointed, votes are being swayed by pretty speeches tailored for a specific group and people are generally ignoring a good portion of the issues dealing with the country.
However, something bothers me when it comes to the issue of job creation.
A lot of people want to vote for Romney because they say he is a business man. I wonder... how many of those same people have ever owned, managed, or had a huge corporation or even tried to start a business?
The reason is because people seem to think that if Romney gets in office, big businesses will start to create more jobs in the U.S. because Romney can help them learn or something to make money. There is no guarantee of that though.
Business Breakdown - (for hugely successful business e.g. the ones with the money to create jobs)
For those of you that have never tried to own your own business, here is a basic breakdown on how to make profits.
Starting out you would make your own product and let's say its some computerized product. Now, you advertise it on a few sites and such and it starts to take off. It costs you $150 to make one and you sell it for $400 giving you not only the money to create another one, but $100 dollars in profit. Soon your business grows and you need more help. You are currently averaging $6,000 a week and by this point you have one or two employees. However, you start realizing that you can't keep up with the demand of the product and you just finished a newer product that already has pre-orders. On top of that, getting the materials is becoming more expensive and you have two employees.
After trying to find more materials, you realize these same materials are cheaper in other countries and labor is cheaper when compared to the U.S. dollar. You figure this might be a decent career step and work with people over in the other country to have it set up for them to make your product. You start seeing even more success and profits but people want to call as they have questions about the product you are selling. You need a call center. So you start to look at your options and outsourcing product creation already worked so well. So you compared the cost of starting up a center in the U.S. and find out.. its cheaper to do so in another country who knows some english. You work with the other country and get your call center put up. In the U.S., you have some tax breaks for outsourcing and now your company is doing great.
Now.... the American economy is in the toilet, but you are still making a profit with your new tech. If you create jobs in the U.S. you will have to pay more to the employees. $100,000 USD will be $100,000 USD and not 632,785.69 CNY or 5,539,338.76 INR. Which makes it feel like your dollar isn't stretching very far in the U.S., on top of that you realize that there is no penalty for outsourcing and so you can keep doing it and making your high profits.
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The problem I am seeing is people expecting this to be fixed with the people running and the idiots we call our senators and representatives. Unless there is someway they can make things cheaper in the U.S. than overseas, they are not going to want or create that many jobs. They may create 100 positions and 90% of those people will get laid off due to things like "changes in the company". If they make all the jobs "at-will jobs" meaning as long as they have a non-discriminatory reason for firing you, they can. Struggling people who are working and trying to keep up with rising bill and living costs may no longer be able to get assistance when they need it.
I am not saying that having a president who knows business is a bad thing but I think people should realize what they are asking.
If benefits get cut for hardworking Americans who are struggling to put food on the table or to pay heating bills in the winter - It's just business.
If no more jobs are created in order to make a profit - It's just business.
If businesses get tax breaks to continue doing what they are doing with no penalty because the 2016 election is coming up - It's just business.
If more big business owners put their money in an offshore account and pay smaller fees on that than create jobs - It's just business.
Seriously, how many people would honestly cut their paycheck down in order to create jobs in the U.S.? Not one.
The only way it would be done is if businesses were penalized from outsourcing. Otherwise, no... there is no reason for a job here. It's so bad that even the American Flag is MADE IN CHINA and it saves the companies money to make them there.
Disclaimer: This is NOT a vote for Romney or Obama type spiel. Neither one of those idiots should become president and in Obama's case president again. The American people need to turn off Fox News and every other media outlet that is paid to present these stories and we the people need to find ourselves a better candidate and spread the word. Otherwise may whatever deity you worship have mercy on your soul because we are all screwed.
2 responses
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 May 12
Unfortunately there really is no easy solution. Increasing the cost of doing business elsewhere will make the goods and services associate cost more in this country whether the jobs return or not. It's not just the simple cash savings of doing business overseas that is causing companies to outsource, it's the obnoxious regulations that businesses here have to deal with just to exist. Just to be clear on this, here's some of what you must do to legally run a lemonade stand in New York.
-- Register as sole proprietor with the County Clerk's Office (must be done in person)
-- Apply to the IRS for an Employer Identification Number.
-- Complete 15-hr Food Protection Course!
-- After the course, register for an exam that takes 1 hour. You must score 70 percent to pass. (Sample question: "What toxins are associated with the puffer fish?") If you pass, allow three to five weeks for delivery of Food Protection Certificate.
-- Register for sales tax Certificate of Authority
-- Apply for a Temporary Food Service Establishment Permit. Must bring copies of the previous documents and completed forms to the Consumer Affairs Licensing Center.
Then, at least 21 days before opening your establishment, you must
arrange for an inspection with the Health Department's Bureau of Food Safety and Community Sanitation. It takes about three weeks to get your appointment. If you pass, you can set up a business once you:
-- Buy a portable fire extinguisher from a company certified by the New York Fire Department and set up a contract for waste disposal.
-- We couldn't finish the process. Had we been able to schedule our health inspection and open my stand legally, it would have taken us 65 days.
That said Obama knows NOTHING about business. Romney knows a LOT about business. Since businesses are the ones creating jobs, it's fair to reason that someone who understands business would be better suited to figure out a solution to the problem.
Aside from that, I agree, neither should be president, especially Obama. I'm planning to vote for Gary Johnson.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
24 May 12
I have long considered that the "job creation" function of business is a complete furphy.
In Australia there are 670,000 "officially" unemployed (5.1%). If a new mine starts it might offer 3000 jobs, and even if all of these were filled by the unemployed, which is somewhat fanciful, it would reduce the unemployment figure by 0.44%, a drop in the bucket. If a business goes under, say as a result of the carbon tax being introduced here, and 2000 workers are thrown out of work, it represents a miniscule 0.3% added to the 670,000 figure. Anti-Greens complain that Green policies would put people out of work, but businesses, in fact whole industries like car manufacturing, clothing manufactuing etc, are constantly going out of business with changes in technology and lately through the very outsourcing you (and I) deplore, which have nothing to do with Green policies and everything to do with Viral Capitalism.
People retrain and get on with life. Mind you, I wouldn't be painting such a rosy picture if I lived in the USA, where the welfare component appears to be totally inadequate to someone used to Australian standards.
If you are an unthinking voter who holds to a party line then it hardly matters who you vote for, they're all hopeless. If you are, like you, a thinking voter prepared to chance something different (as 10-15% of Australians now do by voting Green, and about 10% for Independents), then maybe it's worth voting. Don't imagine it will change anything though; not while 70% of the population holds to the tried and true status quo.
Lash
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
24 May 12
Sorry, that was supposed to be a separate reply to the OP.
Lash
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
24 May 12
Mea culpa, I made a mistake and put this in the wrong place: this repetition is to correct that.
I have long considered that the "job creation" function of business is a complete furphy.
In Australia there are 670,000 "officially" unemployed (5.1%). If a new mine starts it might offer 3000 jobs, and even if all of these were filled by the unemployed, which is somewhat fanciful, it would reduce the unemployment figure by 0.44%, a drop in the bucket. If a business goes under, say as a result of the carbon tax being introduced here, and 2000 workers are thrown out of work, it represents a miniscule 0.3% added to the 670,000 figure. Anti-Greens complain that Green policies would put people out of work, but businesses, in fact whole industries like car manufacturing, clothing manufactuing etc, are constantly going out of business with changes in technology and lately through the very outsourcing you (and I) deplore, which have nothing to do with Green policies and everything to do with Viral Capitalism.
If the new mines threatened (sic) for parts of regional Australia go ahead, they may provide that .44% new employment, but the experience has been that doing so, particularly with the contemporary fly-in-fly-out work force, can destroy the local town, drive the local population out, send dozens of businesses bankrupt thus creating a counter unemployment to match the new employment, make housing prices and rents explode into ludicrous regions, create environmental damage that will make the area unworkable for a generation or more, thus damaging the nations ability to feed itself, and all so that the bulk of the profits made can fly to overseas investors, avoiding a great deal of tax in the process, and damaging the nation's prosperity and economic stability in the process.
If you are an unthinking voter who holds to a party line then it hardly matters who you vote for, they're all hopeless. If you are, like you, a thinking voter prepared to chance something different (as 10-15% of Australians now do by voting Green, and about 10% for Independents), then maybe it's worth voting. Don't imagine it will change anything though; not while 70% of the population holds to the tried and true status quo.
Lash

