A very tricky question for Christians.

United States
July 7, 2012 3:26pm CST
Hi. This is for the Christians out there. I mean no malice or do I want to start a holy war of words I just like to know your view on this simple question. If a person believes Jesus Is/Was The Son Of G-d But Does not take Jesus in as their personal Savor do they go to heavn or not? I would assume they can't be deemed a Christian Without taking Jesus into their heart . But then again I have heard one Only Needs to Beliweve HE is/was The Messiah and you are in. Me? I believe He Is the Christian Messiah. Meaning for many He Is The Son Of G-d. I can see Him as such. But My G-d? No. Sorry I pass. So I thought I would ask you. YOur thoughts. ps. I am not looking to convert. Or Am I here to Bash Christians. I truly ned you viewpoint. Thanks.
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@sk66rc (4250)
• United States
7 Jul 12
Personally, I believe that Jesus & God are one in the same... Jesus is part of Holy Trinity so to deny Jesus is to deny God Himself...
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
7 Jul 12
Amen.
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@besweet (9860)
• Ireland
7 Jul 12
I agree with sk66rc, they are one and the same..
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• United States
8 Jul 12
Help! G-d has one message and Jesus another. Which do you follow?
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
7 Jul 12
Hi sarahruthbeth22, You will probably get different answers to your question but the idea of taking Jesus into you heart is really a relatively new idea among Christians. Being a Christian has meant different things to those who would follow Jesus Christ. For most of the time since Christ, people felt that it was their duty to go to church and confess any sin to the priest. The priest would forgive them in the name of God and that was all that was required to go to heaven. For the first five hundred years, the Christians had no Bible, just the teachings of the church fathers and when the Bible was put together, it took another thousand years before it was translated into the language of the everyday people. Those who say that you must accept Jesus as your personal saviour, that is into your heart, belong to those new groups that have sprung up in the last three hundred years or so. Also, Christians can't agree on good works. Some say they are not necessary at all, while others say that it is very necessary. Some Christians will tell you that once you are saved, it doesn't matter what you do after, while others say that you can turn your back on Christ and must be saved over again. Blessings.
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@sk66rc (4250)
• United States
8 Jul 12
Pose123 pointed out few interesting points... First, accepting Jesus into our heart as a personal savior isn't that new idea... If you read the bible, it implies Holy Spirit was there from the beginning... Bible scholars believe that the Holy Spirit is same as "God's Words"... Whole universe is made solely by God's words alone... When our heart is touched by Holy Spirit, or Holy Ghost, all intents & purposes, we don't really need bible... Bible is used as a tool to teach the ways of Christianity... So yeah, we can accept God into our heart & it's been done so from way before Jesus even came to this world... 2nd, as far as our everyday actions go... Let's say you got a throat cancer for smoking too much for so long... Some how, either my medicine or surgery, you are cured of that cancer... It doesn't mean you wanna go right back to smoking again... I've heard so many ex-smokers that can't stand the smell of smokes anymore... They just don't have any desire to go back to smoking... Being saved is almost same, I think... It's not weather you can go back to the way you were before being saved... Of course you're free to do whatever you want... It's just that people who have been saved wouldn't feel desired to go back to the way they were... In fact, that's the whole point of growing up, isn't it? We do things when we are young kids... Now thinking back on it, sometimes we say to ourselves, "what the heck was I thinking?"... If people are truly saved, they truly wouldn't want to go back to the way they were... For good works, bible does say to go out & do good works... I don't understand what's there to not understand... Matthew 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine Before others, so that they see your good works and give glory to your father who is in heaven"... Ephesians 2:8-9 "For grace you have been saved through faith? And this is not your doing; it is gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast"... These 2 phrases imply that though it's not through good work that you are saved but it's only through faith & grace of God that saves us... At the same time, as a saved Christian, you should act accordingly & do good work so that people may see what Christians do & see what's its like to be Christian...
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
7 Jul 12
One must accept Jesus as Lord and Savior to be a Christian in more than philosophy. That's what "Christian" means, i.e., "of Christ." Just believing that He is the Messiah for someone else doesn't do anything. I believe that there are synagogues but that doesn't make me a Jew.
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• United States
8 Jul 12
Exactly! Leave being Jewish to me. I'll leave being Christian to you. Ok Thanks.
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@jazzyrae (1745)
• United States
7 Jul 12
In myopinion everyone knows that jessus is the son of god in their own way. I do not think that they go to heaven because they never accepted or loved god. In a sense god is jessus. So if you deny jessus you deny god. Wich is a big no no of course i am not god so i can not deam who gets into heaven and hell. I would assume however that people who could care less do not make it to heaven.
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• United States
8 Jul 12
And if heaven is all about G-d Or Jesus , then those who care less Shouldn't go in the first place.
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@jazzyrae (1745)
• United States
7 Sep 12
Yes. Out would be like buying someone a brand new house and having them give you no credit or reelect you would be mad which I think is why people who do not believe end up in the bad place
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• United States
7 Jul 12
hi sarahruthbeth...this is an interesting question...i think that as you say, if someone believes in jesus/god that that is what matters....because that is having faith and what having faith is all about...jesus himself repeatedly told people in the gospels, "your faith has made you whole"...faith and relationship with God heals people, makes them whole mentally, emotionally and spiritually....i think the concept of "taking jesus into your heart" or giving jesus lordship of your life" are all religious terms coined by the church or churches and are used as propaganda to manipulate people into making professions, joining the church and giving churches money...yes, i am a christian, but i am also a realist! and i believe that a personal spiritual relationship with jesus/god based on faith is what is more real than being churchy...that is what jesus message was all about! in his sermon on the mount, he made clear that the old ways, including being religious and churchbound, were gone and he brought a new way...i think that the church and religion in general has complicated the message and turned it into a man-centered rather than a jesus/god centered reality...i don't even think that baptism is what makes a person have the relationship, it is a symbol of that change, the new relationship...if jesus said "your faith has made you whole" then that is good enough for me...all the rest is just extras that are nice, but not the heart of the matter! peace and blessings to you srb!
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• United States
8 Jul 12
" Your faith has made you whole" I wonder if He would be happy that my path doesn't lead to Him? My faith has made me whole ! As for baptism, I am not messing up my hair For No One, lol! i think the message had to change to get more to join. Once Romans became Christians, popes took the place of Caesars and That is why Jesus Had to become more Churchy. I used to believe that if He Came down now dressed the way He did the last time ,He wouldn't even be able to enter All the Churches that have His name on the building! Worse He would be arrested for disturbing the peace or sent to the mental hospital. Who Needs the Real thing when we All have the image?
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• United States
8 Jul 12
Why thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
• United States
8 Jul 12
hi srb! i think you are absolutely spot on about jesus and the modern organized church...if they met in a dark alley, so to speak, they probably wouldn't even recognize each other! i have done some research into the historical jesus and the early church and think of it as "the real church" as today's church in general does not resemble it in any way! thanks for the discussion, very thoughtprovoking!
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@Ixodoi (445)
• Israel
7 Jul 12
I'm not Christian. Yet I am a believe of another religion, and I could help but say this: No one can give you an answer to your question! Only G-d chooses who will go to heaven & who won't. I personally believe that it isn't only about faith in god or his prophets. It is also about if not mostly about) being a good person. Yet, again - no one really knows.
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
10 Jul 12
That's right. Only God knows who is going to be accept on Judgement Day. You're only hope is to follow his rules and all and if you do...you'll be in the running for a spot in heaven! Trust me...there are ALOT of people that think they will be in heaven...and they will get turned away from heaven's door. there are alot of people that be there that we wouldn't think should be or won't be there that we would think should be. Just saying you are a christian, doesn't hold you a spot in heaven.
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@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
7 Jul 12
I agree , no one know who will go to heaven & who won't . God Almighty only the one Who know that .
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@Naseem00 (1996)
• Pakistan
6 Sep 12
Just believing in Jesus is the Messiah and you are in!! That really makes Heaven very cheap. Don't you agree? And about your saying 'Meaning for many He Is The Son Of G-d. I can see Him as such. But My G-d? ' So the Jewish God is a different God than the Christian God?
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@Naseem00 (1996)
• Pakistan
6 Sep 12
So if that is the case, you must also believe G-d's birth to virgin Mary and all other stuff a Trinitarian christian believes.
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• United States
8 Sep 12
Yes and no. I believe any G-d can come down or through anything or anyone He chooses. So if they say Mary is/was a virgin, I say ok. But I don't fully understand this trinity thing. It seems like three in one when I believe there is One that comes in many forms , not just three!
• United States
6 Sep 12
To me He is. Let me put it this way. There is one Superior Being. He takes many forms and answers to many names. To the Christian He is Jesus, to the Jew He is G-d. To the Muslim , He is Allah.For me He isn't Jesus, He is G-d. Different versions have different rules. But because Jesus is not my G-d Does not mean I deny Who He is to many!
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
8 Jul 12
Okay, you know me, I don't really claim to be a typical "Christian" but I'll answer anyway. If someone believes that by just believing in G-d's son, then that means Lucifer is okay. another one for those who quote scriptures; Lucifer also knows the whole Bible, so that doesn't do you any good either..
• United States
8 Jul 12
Ok If believing in Jesus Doesn't make any difference , what does?
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
8 Jul 12
#carmelanirel: Loved the response. I am tempted to follow this on the discussion. #behen: you know I am neither a Christian nor do believe in any religion but one - Humanity. And also I dont respond to religion discussions. But for your query - I have a simpler view - Lord of any religion - never says follow me and pray. I believe He always appreciate people who do their thing with complete honesty and sincerity. And the actions should not hurt any on the planet. ps. that is just my viewpoint - I an neither a Christian nor have read the Holy Bible from page 1 till end.
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• United States
8 Jul 12
Hi Bhai! I love your viewpoint. I'm sorry I worded my post in a way that made you think you couldn't respond to it!
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@mathss1 (1181)
• United States
8 Jul 12
Hi Sara Understanding a particular religion is a difficult task something which is always impossible unless done using the eyes of a person who practices that religion.You may not believe what a Christian believes he/she may not believe in what you believe and you will never understand his POV nor will he understand your POV. Religion is best left to people who believe in it.
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• United States
8 Jul 12
I disagree. one should ask questions and learn all you can. Not only will you get to see How a person of another religion sees things but I find it enhances your own religion.
@Rick1950 (1575)
• Lima, Peru
10 Jul 12
Jesus has always mentioned the word faith. I think if you have faith you can believe at something that it's impossible to perceive with the senses, you can believe at God if you have faith. However, I think not only the faith will you bring to the heaven, but also the charity, the mercy. He gave us the commandment: 'love to each other, as I have loved you'
• United States
10 Jul 12
• United States
10 Jul 12
Then I am damned to hell. There no way I can love All Just like He did. The main reason I say I am not a Christian is because I don't love my enemies.
@Rick1950 (1575)
• Lima, Peru
10 Jul 12
Well, I think you are not the only one who doesn't love their enemies. I recognize that I don't forgive offenses too. I think it's not easy, but we should try it. Furthermore, when I see that someone is my enemy, that he hates me, I try to avoid to be hurt by him. We have to defend us.
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@ShyBear88 (59306)
• Sterling, Virginia
8 Jul 12
Being Catholic which is a form of Christian myself I say no you don't need to believe in Jesus as a savor or as the Messiah to go to heave. I don't even feel that you need to believe in God to go to heaven. To me weather you believe in God or what ever you'll still go to heaven because he believes in you. God wanted us to have free will to choice what was right for ourselves not what he would want of us and he'll still want you in heave even if God is a women. That is just my feeling being open about maybe Jesus way and is the only Messiah but maybe there is another maybe there isn't. I cant say with a 100% with out a doubt that I believe with ever fiber of my being that he is our savor and the only one and the same with God being the only god.
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• United States
8 Jul 12
Wow Sis! That is beautiful. so the people , regardless of religion, that G-d Wants in heaven, Get there.That is fantastic.
@ShyBear88 (59306)
• Sterling, Virginia
9 Jul 12
Thank you. "We" as humans we are not prefect and why would god judge us because we aren't prefect. We all make mistakes and I feel that he gets that and still accepts us for who we are even when we mess up.
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