Solving the problems of the Economy

@bobmnu (8157)
United States
July 28, 2012 12:39am CST
Which do you think is better to solve the problems with the current economy the Government or the Free Market? Please justify your answer.
5 responses
• United States
29 Jul 12
I think a government, but not our government. Let me elaborate, the free market has never been truly. We don't actually have a free market, we have a market controlled by social interests as well as government. What I think the government should do is very moderately limit the market. I'm not going to argue that murder or slavery should be legal because it interferes with a truly free market. At the same time we the people need to dictate the market by actually paying attention to how we spend our money, we should actually not buy soilent green as opposed to continuing to buy soilent green but asking the government to regulate soilent green so it doesn't contain people, and then gripe when it tastes funny and we have to pay taxes to an agency that keeps people out of our food.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
29 Jul 12
How I WISH I could give you some kind of an award for that response! There's MUCH too much truth in what you wrote. Annie
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
29 Jul 12
I disagree. The market should never be regulated for social interests. We tried that. We forced banks to make bad loans, for "social interests". The result is 2008 sub-prime crash. Further, no one is griping about paying a miniscule amount of tax to run some dumb regulation agency, that largely doesn't do anything (despite claims it keeps people out of our food). What we have a problem with, is the other $2.5 trillion in taxes wasted on government hand outs to people who haven't earned it. And then having some leftist run around whining because we don't want to pay another Trillion in taxes, supposedly for the dumb agency that doesn't keep people out of our food.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 Jul 12
I agree! lol good one knoodle.
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• United States
29 Jul 12
Both are a required for the economy to grown long term. Our country was built with both work together, and you might say that they are working to much together today. People can say that regulations are hurting our economy, other will say that our tax policy is creating a market that is anything but free. How does a small business compete with Wal-Mart when they spend hundreds of millions on buying government officials all around the world? They pay a fraction of the tax that Wal Mart does, and they pay more for shipping, labor, regulations, infrastructure, and marketing. How is that an example of the free market? The fact is that neither the free market, nor government can help our economy alone, they have to work together, or they will both bring the economy down.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
15 Aug 12
A small business can not compete with Walmart or Target because of the size and the efficiency of the larger stores. However in community after community you will see Target or Walmart build and smaller specialty shops spring up next to or near them simply because Target and Walmart will draw customers in. These smaller stores will complement rather than compete.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
28 Jul 12
I don't think it's anywhere near that simple. The words "Free Market" can really SOUND wonderful and idealistic but that's not always the case. I'm really not advocating what the right likes to call "big government" or "government control" of everything, but some government is necessary. "Free Market" implies basically no regulations or restrictions on just about anything. If we limited government to the extent some on the far right want to businesses would have even more of a right to gouge the public. They could pollute our air and water and market products and services that are harmful to us and to our environment. If the right succeeds in getting rid of unions entirely and repealing the minimum wage and other labor laws workers will find themselves working for slave wages and being treated like slaves. Coal and oil companies would be able to simply claim that "Sometimes an accident is just an accident", in the words of one our our newer tea party Senators, and never be held accountable for their misdeeds even when lives are lost. Your question isn't an easy one to answer but I'll try by simply saying one or the other alone won't solve any of our problems. We need both and there are times when the free market doesn't have a place, such as regarding health care. Lives should never depend on one's ability to pay for the best care. The government should never dictate what treatment we get or in any way get between us and our doctors and other health care providers but I'm totally in favor of a single-payer system of paying for health care. Annie
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
29 Jul 12
I would tend to agree with you on general terms. We do need some government oversight but it seems that all too often we find common sense out the window and out of the world theories take over. One example is an oil production field obtained all the necessary permits and filed all the environmental and safety reports and permits were issued but at the last minute, after investing and building a $40 million facility a new inspector arrives and tells you that there is a village 95 miles away that could be effected by the pollution from your plant if the wind is of such a speed and it came from the right direction and if someone with breathing problems was out working they might develop respiratory problems therefore you can not put your field into production and create 500 jobs. Never mind the fact that the wind is mainly blowing away from the village and only in rare strong storms will it blow toward the village and that on those days the production is shut way down and the villagers are inside. This did happen in Alaska and the company is appealing and I don't know the outcome but it is a costly appeal for the company. Unions are the same way. When they first started they were good and even now they do keep the employer honest in dealing with workers. However many times the develop some very strict work rules. A friend of mine managed a large warehouse that employs about 75 people. Recently they decertified from the Union and productivity has gone up, employees have received nice year end bonus based on the savings of the company. What changed was the work rules. They used two types of vehicles indoors. One set was the forklift which ran on Propane and electric carts that moved smaller items to the loading doc. When a worker need an electric cart under the Union Rules he had to call an electrician to unplug the cart and had to call him back when he returned the cart to be plugged in again. If air was needed in the tire you had to call a mechanic. If there was something spilled on the seat or floor you had to call housekeeping to clean it. Now the worker who is using the vehicle does all that. They are getting more work done, there are fewer breakdowns because the mechanic and electrician are not being called off a job to to do the simple things. In both cases the Government regulators and the Union is there were some restraints put on them things would move smoother and more efficiently. What is needed in Health care is more not less competition. If the government removed the restrictions on forming a group for Health insurance (the Catholic Church could form a group whose members were catholics, or a civic club could form a group, or Walmart could form a group of all the people who have a Walmart credit card) and let companies compete across state lines like auto insurance prices would go down. These groups would be thousands or millions in size and could offer a range of benefits. If we changed from a Health Maintenance plan paying first dollar coverage to a Health Insurance plan where you determined your deductable that would save money. The government could say that if you have insurance and change groups you must be covered, when a child reaches age 18 they have to be accepted into the group within 6 months or they could be covered as a single person on their parents group. The problem with a single payer is what do you do if you don't like the coverage? You have no other option and the single payer has no incentive to improve because you can't leave them. We do need a combination of both the Free Market and government and I am one who feels there should be more Free Market and I am sure you would disagree which is the beauty of our system. Thanks for your thoughtful response.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
15 Aug 12
If it is 'obscene' why not do away with them altogeter? And Humana does not insure cars the last time I checked.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Aug 12
I'd be fine with for profit health insurance companies being done away with altogether. I don't think Humana sells car insurance either but I never said all insurance companies sold all kinds of insurance, but many do. Do you think a rich person's life is worth more than yours? Is a rich person's life worth more than anyone's without health insurance or a ton of money to pay for care when needed? I think NOT, everyone is equally deserving of quality care when they need it and preventative care if they wish to take advantage of it. Annie
• United States
29 Jul 12
Free market is good because it motivates people start businesses and create jobs. Big government is bad because of all the red tape, and high taxes. Both parties have this idea that, "Nothing can fail ever@ We must stop it form failing!" As much as government tries to keep things from failing, it's never turned out well when they've bailed out businesses. Why do you think most people hate government bailouts?
@Bluedoll (16770)
• Canada
29 Jul 12
I want to be corrected if I am off base here. There is never a “problem” with the economy. Economies always fluctuate. This is normal for any economy. When countries borrow money to solve negative budgets they can get into trouble with numbers. What fixes this problem is gnp (gross national product). Actually, compared to many other countries, even though USA has a high debt load, it also has and always has had a very good gnp. If the common belief is that economy is sore then a fix to this problem is to raise the gnp or create more productivity. (more jobs). So the problem then is not to focus on the economy but the problem of the gnp. Free enterprise can be stimulated by government action or non action in a variety of ways. I think it is fine to discuss economy and politics but any change needs to actually improve gnp. If everyone in the world would agree, we could just add a lot of zero’s to our Mylot earning and everything else would follow to increase as well. Of course we should spend it on things that don’t kill our biosphere of the planet because then we will all just die.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
15 Aug 12
You are correct that the economy is in a constant state of flux. The problem is what to do when the economy turns downward. One of the best examples is to compare the 1920 recession with the 1929 recession. In 1920 the government did nothing to fix the economy but let it find bottom and then recover. Some people got hurt and others made money. In 1929 President Hoover started to let the economy find bottom and the economy was starting to recover when the government under President Roosevelt (FDR) stepped in with massive government spending and borrowing and new taxes and regulations and finally a world war before the economy recovered. The 1920 recession had worse numbers to start with but because it was allowed to run its course it was over much quicker. What FDR did with massive government borrowing and new taxes is he took money out of the economy and there was less for the private sector to borrow to expand their business and hire new people. One of his regulations the minimum wage caused unemployment to increase because a person could not work for less than minimum wage even if he/she wanted to. Employers were forced to increase the pay of some workers and was forced to lay off others to make up the difference.