The Hell with these Fees

Philippines
August 8, 2012 11:20pm CST
I am a 19 year old student who aspires to open an online stock brokerage account in Citisec online. For me to do so, I need to have one government issued ID. I decided I would apply for a postal ID since my cousin said that getting a voter's ID would take months or even a year. So without further ado, I rushed for our Barangay office to get a cedula and barangay clearance and boy I was shocked with how much they are asking me for these two pieces of paper! The cedula cost me 60php but when I asked if there is a student discount (this was supposed to be a joke but I am glad that they sure do have a student discount), they changed 60php to 5php. Whew. Then here comes the barangay clearance which cost me 50php! No. There's no student discount for this one! Seriously, is it really reasonable to pay 50php for a piece of paper? Then when I asked one of the Barangay officials if how much she thinks it would cost me in applying for a postal ID, she said that I should bring around 450php to 500php. That's a lot of money! My ID in UST only costs 200php. Wow. What is confusing is when I fill up the form for postal ID, there is a sentence at the top that says we need to pay 175php for it, but why is the Barangay official asking me to prepare for 450php-500php? Corruption at its finest.
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12 responses
@Paper_Doll (2373)
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
What happened next? Did you really pay 450 for that postal ID or just 175? There really are some employees who are not aware of all the transactions inside their office. Some just gave you answers and figures just to say that he knows about it but actually, he does not. I really think that 450 is huge for a postal ID. Maybe that person must have mistaken. You remind me of a cousin of mine who once a member of an activist group (seriously). He went to the city hall to get mayor's clearance and police clearance. But take note, he went there to GET THEM FOR FREE. He was applying for a job that time and those are some of the requirements. When he reached the window and was asked to pay for an amount he started complaining and explaining. He said that he was there because he needs those clearances to earn money because he has nothing. He said that they should give those clearances for free. That are they telling him that he cannot apply for a job because he has no money to pay for those clearances? Kind of weird and am a bit ashamed of what he did and said during those times but he definitely has a point. And he was really mad about those ruling that those who wear slippers would not be allowed to enter a certain government building. What if he does not have money to buy shoes? Would he rather go inside barefooted? Is that what they want? I guess that the government may have forgotten that many people are not capable of buying shoes or paying for those clearance but are actually willing to look for a job and be a good citizen of this country.
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
I did not apply yet for the postal ID cause I still don't know how to get to the nearest post office here in our place. My cousin also applied for her postal ID a few weeks ago and she paid around 400php as well. I just asked the barangay official to see if the fee is really 400php. I guess I'll clarify about this when I go to the post office maybe next week. What happened to your cousin after? Was he able to get the clearance?
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
things that you really have to put up with. that's ten dollars already, wouldn't be a problem though if you try to reach ten dollars here in mylot. Postal ID is very crucial for some one who is required to have valid ID. have you tried Passport?? or getting a TIN ID. i do recall when I was participating in the jobfairs, i would get a chance to check these government agency booths.
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
I believe he got them for free but that was so long ago about a decade when we were still newly graduates. I guess that is the best thing to do, to just ask the post office staff to be sure. I also do not know how much would that cost but like you, I think that 400 is high for an ID.
@Raine38 (12257)
• United States
9 Aug 12
well, did they issue you official receipts for all those fees? I have encountered paying fees in government offices, herein I am being asked to pay 100 pesos, then when they give me my receipt, it is only for 20 pesos.
• Philippines
10 Aug 12
Oh yeah I have not thought about those suggestion boxes. Perhaps when I go to the post office to apply for postal ID I would utilize that resource, specially when I see/experience something fishy. Thank you for giving me some ideas Raine38. :)
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
What did you do then? Did you complain? I was so stupid earlier I only realized I should have asked for a receipt when I was already on my way home. This is a lesson for me. When I apply for the postal ID, I would ask for a receipt after paying anything.
@Raine38 (12257)
• United States
9 Aug 12
They have this suggestion box and I put my complaint in there. Turns out I'm not the only one and last time I heard, they "rotated" their personnel holding cash, and they now have signed reminders posted everywhere to always ask for a receipt when paying. And where to complain and numbers to call should they got refused to be issued one.
@asdomencil (4265)
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
You must get your postal ID directly in post office. I remember my brother-in-law got his postal ID for only 175pesos. I think baranggay clearane is really that price. I think, most goverment agencies and offices are using the clearances and other requested documents as source of income. I remember when I need to get a certified true copy of my son's birth certificate they asked me 150 each copy. I already brought my own photocopy but they told me that they should be the one to photocopy it using the original copy in their file. What is the difference of my photocopy and theirs provided that their copies are just the duplicate of what I had. For just piece of stamp and dry seal, they will ask me for that price.
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
Yes, just noticed that most of the important documents even just a piece of paper has corresponding fees because they know that you cannot get want you want if that particular requirement is missing.
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
Yes I will my postal ID at the post office. I agree. These employees really make a living out of all of these important papers. They know that we have no choice because if we do not comply with what they want us to do (pay for our clearances, IDs whatever), we are the ones who would suffer.
@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
hi, cedula or residence certificate cost depends on your income, since you are a student, it should cost only 20 pesos. Barangay clearance in our barangay in Las Pinas is Freefor purposes like getting your health card, business, etc...they only ask you how long you have been living in the Barangay, it takes less than 5 minutes when it's your turn in the very short line or none at all. Apply for your postal i.d. directly at your post office, and you are right, it costs only 175 pesos, you can download the form here so you don't have to fill it out there http://www.phlpost.gov.ph/web/postal-id-application/ We can all help fight corruption if we deny thesethe opportunity to take advantage of us, knowledge is also very important.. Don't vote for them next Barangay elections if you want to get even
@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
10 Aug 12
I wish you luck, just accomplish the form before going there so as to cut time. your one vote is very important, how can we fight corruption if we give up even before we begin? 1 vote does not matter much in the national or local election but it does matter a lot in a Barangay election where every vote counts cause it is smaller, another thing you could do is tell as constituents of your Barangay like friends relatives how you where duped and milked by these corrupt Barangay officials, they might have been victimized like you when election time is near, we have to weed them all out or at least take out what we can for our Philippines to progress.
• Philippines
10 Aug 12
Sorry to say this but I do not think my one vote would make a change. This is because never in a million years have we experienced an election that is tied and one vote would decide the victory of one of the parties. Anyway, I am readying my self as early as now. Next week I am planning to apply for my postal ID and I would surely apply all your suggestions (requesting for receipts, asking why I should pay this or that, etc.). Wish me luck louievill. I am afraid if I show even a little reluctance they might kick me out of the post office. :D
@ARIES1973 (11426)
• Legaspi, Philippines
9 Aug 12
If you pay something and did not give you any official receipt, you have the right to file a complaint against those persons involved in the proper authority. If it is the barangay , you can go to the nearest DILG or the municipality where the barangay is located. Corruption occurs if we tolerate them. Get the name of the person. By the way, you are applying for a postal ID in the barangay? You should apply at the post office. Please clarify your post regarding this matter simplepleasure.
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
I don't know if that is the right thing to do since you said that you are just asking him what he thinks the payment would cost. Since he thinks that it would cost 450-500, that is what he told you. And since you did not pay that amount to him, nor he require you to pay the said amount, I don't know if it is fair to report him. If there is something wrong that I could see is he just told you honestly that he did not know how much it would cost or just refer you to go straight to the postal office because they would know better than him. Just my opinion but if you think that this misinformation must have caused you so much inconvenience, Aries is right that you have the right to report him.
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@ARIES1973 (11426)
• Legaspi, Philippines
9 Aug 12
Ah, well, okay then. If it is just an opinion. She probably doesn't know about the exact amount also. I get it now. You have to proceed directly to the post office to apply for one. Make sure you have an official receipt for every payment you made. That is one way to eradicate red tape in the government. The DILG is there to oversee the operations of the LGUs and they are not on any side. They are always for the benefit of the people.
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
Oh no. I did not apply for postal ID in the barangay. I just asked one of the barangay officials if how much she thinks I should prepare when I apply for it in the post office. I am thinking of reporting this to DILG but what if they are backing these LGUs up?
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• Philippines
9 Aug 12
Yes. There are a lot of fees in the Philippines. I remember I was buying stuff from the U.S so I could use it for personal use and some I would give away to relatives and friends. But the customs would not release my things! They want me to pay tax that are way higher than the total cost of the items. I did not pay the tax and I felt like I just wasted a lot of money. I agree that this is the work of corruption!
• Philippines
10 Aug 12
Oh Bureau of Customs, one of the dirtiest government institutions. Were you able to get you things?
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
there's always a different fee in every district, i thought it was the same actually. i remember the cedula which is only 5 pesos, but now it's six, and with out connection it could be even higher. postal ID is actually 200 when i bought it here in cavite years ago. it can corruption or it can be difference in rates. but you know, you gotta get used to it. fight it or it will just delay
@airasheila (5454)
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
good day simplepleasures, with regard to your post, i am about to get also a postal id sometime soon but i haven't attend to it due to some errands i need to do. however, as far as i know, it is free of charge as i have asked it previously.
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
If you already have your cedula and barangay clearance, you can download an application form for postal id at www.phlpost.gov.ph/web/postal-id-application/. getting a postal ID is not free. You will see this sentence at the top of the form: I have the honor to apply for a Postal ID. Attached are 3 identical copies of my picture (2x2) and 175 pesos.
@shylade (3132)
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
My boss told me that to be able to get his NBI clearance faster he paid for almost 1000 pesos. Imagine that? I wonder when will corruption stop here in our country. Everything we buy here are with taxes aside from what we are paying from from salary. Pretty hard indeed.
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
I do not think we can completely eradicate corruption. I am sure these government officials have a positive outlook when they started working. I am sure they were thinking that they would serve our country in good faith. Unfortunately, the system has eaten them.
@rog0322 (2829)
• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines
9 Aug 12
Hi, At your age, you should be a voter by now. You really missed a lot foregoing to have a voters ID. By the way I see it, the voters ID is the only cost-free card to acquire, no hassles, simple to apply, takes time to get though. I got my own almost two years after being registered by the COMELEC office in our town.
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
I need a government issued ID immediately so I applied for postal ID instead of voter's ID.
@katrinapaz (2436)
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
hi simplpleasures!why not get an sss id? or apply for an sss number. i am sure that you will also need it in the future. is nbi clearance also applicable. goodluck to your endeavor. corruption is hard to erase in our government
• Philippines
9 Aug 12
Is it possible for me to apply for an SSS ID even though I am still a student?
@riyauro (6421)
• India
9 Aug 12
Oh that is bad..corruption is every where. so these people are keeping money in their pockets.. God what will happen to the common people like us. thanks for sharing. have a wonderful day