Help those who help themselves

@dorannmwin (36392)
United States
August 31, 2012 12:05am CST
This is something that has really been bothering me lately. You see, my husband's family (not his parents and brothers, but rather his aunts and uncles) always seem to be using us. None of them work and when they need something, be it a ride, a few dollars or even some cigarettes they are always calling us. Yet, they never give us anything in return. I don't mean that I physically want anything from them (in terms of money or whatever) but I do want their thoughts and respect and I don't even think he gets that from them. This week has been really bad for them using us as it is the end of the month and none of them get their checks until the first of the month. Okay, I have to point out that there is no reason that they can't get some kind of a job. One of his uncles gets disability because of the fact that he is depressed. But, when Tom was going through chemotherapy last year, he was expected to work as usual and pay for his medical bills that weren't covered by insurance. He had a disease that could easily have taken his life and yet there was no aid for him (except for the fundraiser that I did to help pay for the medical bills). Why does it seem like the government is willing to help those people that refuse to help themselves and leave the individuals that work hard and in some cases work themselves to an early grave to suffer through it all?
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@SomeCowgirl (32189)
• United States
31 Aug 12
I don't believe our government knows what to do with itself in the way of giving money to people who do not deserve it. They haven't gotten the system down right with screening and I doubt they ever really will. There are plenty of people who do not deserve the money but are getting it, but there are some - with depression - who do get it and need every penny... regardless of how they use the money, whether poorly or otherwise. I'm not saying that your husband's uncle deserves the money, I'm just saying that mental illnesses are disability as well. I have a uncle who could not function outside in the real world, but he does need money to survive. I don'tlike the way your husband's family is treating him and your family. Honestly you guys work for the money and do what you can, even when times are tough (IE with your husband's illness). I wish there was a way for you guys to distance yourself and not give so freely (even if it isn't so freely, either way.) His family needs a wake up call, are you guys the only place they go to for money?
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
I'm not saying that all people that have mental illnesses are not entitled to government assistance because of the fact that there are some people that are not able to function. However, this uncle is one that is constantly tinkering with cars and such. There is no reason that he can't make money by doing that. In addition to that, I've also known many people in my life that have physical disabilities that are not able to get any kind of government assistance because they are deemed to not be disabled enough to receive disability. And yes, they do use Tom's grandmother (their mother) as a roof over their head, but none of them would ever ask Gracie to borrow money and Tom's mother lives in another city so they never ask her, they just call Tom because they think that he is soft.
@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
31 Aug 12
I try not to think about stuff like that, otherwise I get frustrated with the situation. I know a lot of people like your husband's family. People who probably could work but just don't. Now I do need to say that having depression does make it very difficult to work. I personally suffer from depression, so I know what it feels like. People who don't understand depression don't see why it's a problem to work or do other things when you have it.. but believe me it is a struggle. I have to fight myself daily to get up and shower and go to work. I've come close to quitting my job so many times, and for no good reason either, just because it's a hassle to go to it everyday. When I was younger I would just up and quit my jobs for no good reason, then I'd sit home broke for awhile until I eventually got the urge to go back to work. Until the past 2 years, I never held a job for longer than 6 months. These past 2 years have been the hardest of my life trying to fight with myself to keep going with school and work. I will say that other areas of my life have gone a bit downhill since I started working. I don't cook or clean as much as I used to. I guess I use up all my energy and motivation just struggling to go to work. I am on meds, so it helps a bit, but it's not a cure and I still have a lot of bad days. I'm not excusing the behavior of your relatives.. just trying to point out that depression can be a lot more difficult than some people tend to realize.
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• United States
1 Sep 12
I don't really think it's fair to compare one person's depression to another. Again, I'm not defending the actions of your relatives. However, some people do not know how much their depression is affecting them. I didn't realize it for years. It wasn't until recently that I really started seeing how hard I've struggled to keep jobs and how my depression caused me to not even want to work.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
I think that the reason that this one is bothering me so bad is because of the fact that both my mother and my little sister are clinically depressed as well. My mother is getting better, but she has been on Lexapro for almost six years to help her deal with it. My sister is still struggling terribly with her depression, but she has recently made the decision to go back to school so that she can eventually be a school teacher.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
31 Aug 12
Too many loopholes, I guess. Some people are getting assistance who don't need it, and people who do (like some long time unemployed friends of mine) can't get it.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
I really do think that there should be more out there for people that have not been able to find a job as a result of the terrible economy that we've been living in through the last several years.
@lumenmom (1986)
• United States
31 Aug 12
I know exactly how you feel. I know so many people who get disability and they are so much more able to work than me, yet I get the run around all the time when I try to apply for any help after working my butt off for years when all my friends were having babies and getting nice welfare checks for their efforts. And let's not even talk about family. My family barely has anythig to do with me since I lost my good job and have not been able to help them at a moment's notice and I can't even get a ride home from the grocery store after buying food for their kids with my foodstamps. I sometimes laugh at how they all think they are so much better than me now and how they just turn their noses up as if I don't even exist. But I did exist when I was making good money and paying their bills, taking care of their children while they went out at night, letting them use my cars, etc. And I do say they because it is the whole family (except my dad) who act like this. It does not seem right but that how it is.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
Now my family has never been like this, but Tom's always has (except for his parents and brothers who have helped us out through our difficult times). It almost seems to me that they think that the world owes them something and it is something that drives me completely insane.
@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
31 Aug 12
I know! The system is out of control - that's for sure. There are those who genuinely need it but cant . . . and then there are those who definitely know how to take advantage of the system. I remember going in a grocery line and the lady paying was counting out her food stamps - yet you can see she had her claw nails and hair done, with nice clothes and shoes - with her Gucci bag . . . something in this picture just didn't seem right. I can't remember who said it, but they said they could get more money from Uncle Sam than working at McDonald's. My husband's older sister and her family uses people whenever they can - thankfully they are far, far away from any of us here (but they still call up my parent in laws to hit them up for money). And after all the help they are getting, they still think her family doesn't do enough for them. ????????? I think they were on welfare for a while and were still getting money from her parents. The parents never put their foot down. Just wondering if these uncles or aunts helped you guys out when your husband was going through chemo? Not money wise - but at least being thoughtful in some way? At some point, I'm sure you guys will have to put your foot down with them - because if not, they are going keep taking and taking. Everyone needs help every now and then - but if it's getting to the point it's bothering you, it must surely seem like they are taking advantage now.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
No, they were not there at all for us when Tom was going through his chemo. There were a couple of times that he called his aunt and grandma to see if they would watch the kids for us so I could go to the doctor's office with him and they were never able to do it. In fact, when Tom and I got married eight years ago, none of his family, except for his parents and brothers even showed up at our wedding and it wasn't like it was out of town. That really hurt my feelings because it made me feel like they didn't accept me.
• India
31 Aug 12
Hi friend, sad to hear about your hubby's relatives, most of the persons are in this sort, they can do anything to get help from us and completely forget about us, it is really hard to see a good friend and genuine relation in this modern ays
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
I wish that we were able to see that the most genuine relationships that we have in our lives are family members. However, in my experience I've found that friends are much more genuine relationships than our own blood is. However, I do have to admit that I'm lucky to have a wonderful immediate family of my own.
@Jshean20 (14347)
• Canada
1 Sep 12
Being used like that must feel horrible, don't let anyone take advantage of you like that. I don't understand why the system is the way it is either, someone trying to earn a living the honest way often cannot even afford to pay for the health care they need; it's time to give the hard working people a break!
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
4 Sep 12
I really do think that it is time to give the people that work all the time a break. For Tom, there is really no kind of break at all for him. He only gets 40 hours of paid time off every year and that is expected to be used for both sick time and vacation. His insurance has left us with thousands of dollars of medical bills that we have a hard time paying and it just seems to me that we can't win for losing.
@cher913 (25781)
• Canada
31 Aug 12
i know what you mean. i don't think i would be catering to these people. what i would be saying to them is 'sorry, i (or we) are not able to help you just now. you will have to get the money from somewhere or someone else). too bad if it causes bad feelings. you have to look after yourself and your family first. also, i agree. the government often seems to have a skewed view of what is considered to be 'sick' and 'not sick'.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
I'm in no way saying that I want the government to take care of us because that is not what I want at all. However, it does seem very skewed to me that our state is placing judgements against my husband's paycheck because he can't pay his medical bills in full and yet his uncle can sit at home drinking and taking pain pills all day long and still have money coming into him without any kind of punishment for his habits.
@jillhill (37353)
• United States
31 Aug 12
This is something I don't understand either....like I know someone who had to fight three years for disability yet another person I know..much younger with just early signs of a disease got it immediately. I do think will all the welfare they are turning our country into a bunch of cripples that refuse to help themselves....and many times its the same famlies...generational so to speak. About time some of them get a job!
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
It does look like it is something that happens in families. It seems to me that in many cases young adults who grew up in families that got a lot of government assistance try to do the same thing for themselves. It isn't right at all to me. With the exception of complete disability, I think that government assistance should be something that is there for a short-term need, but not to support a person for life.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
31 Aug 12
hi dor time.nnmwin yes I wondered about disabliity for being depresses? I mean it took forever for me to get ssi and I am partly physically handica pped and 85. but people often work with depressions so I hav e seen .those people the aunts and uncles sound like users to'me,they use your hubby and you yet do npt even try to' be friendly strange odd yes users.. let them get jobs like all others who su pport them selves.,I tr y not to be a user althoug my bestfriend does t ake me shopping and tothe bank b ut we have been very close friends as our our sons, and we share all ourproblems'and I am there for her too and she often phones me just to cry a bit on my shoulder about her husband heart surgery'and his set backs.we just help each o ther all the time
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
I don't think that you are using your best friend at all because you have been there for her when she needs something as well. In addition to that, her taking you to the store and things like that does give the two of you an opportunity to spend time together and that is something that is very important. Tom's family, however, I agree, they are users. They have never been there for us, even in coming to our wedding eight years ago. You know the only family members that he had who showed up at our wedding was his parents and his two brothers. I had most of my aunts and uncles come down and they were all from out of state.
@bunnybon7 (50970)
• Holiday, Florida
1 Sep 12
some may argue this but i think its the policies of our politicians at this time. Obama is making it harder every day for the average hard working person. only the very poor or supposedly disabled and the very rich are coming out well here. if you have a job you are expected to pay for all your medical or most of it, if you dont have insurance. and even insurance costs a lot. for most people if you lose just 1 or 2 pay checks, you dont get enough help in time to save your place to live,. and lots of times you cant even eat unless you have kids in your household for medical expenses. no change has come except for the worse in 4 years.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
4 Sep 12
I certainly hope that this doesn't post twice because mylot is being wonky right now. Anyway, I have to say that I am not one of those people that is going to argue what you said because of the fact that I couldn't agree with you more. I think that there needs to be a major change in this country because everything is heading in the wrong direction.
@bounce58 (17380)
• Canada
9 Sep 12
That's a bit (or a lot) frustrating! Specially the fact that they are family. And they expect so much from you, knowing that you (your hubby) had to go through a difficult health issue. The most frustrating part is that even if you complain, I doubt no one would even listen. And that you really have to help yourselves, because the consequences if you don't, is unacceptable.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
10 Sep 12
No one will listen to me (us). You know, I complained to my mother in law about it and she decided that we must be having problems and started to talk to my mother about the problems that we are having.
@jenny1015 (13359)
• Philippines
31 Aug 12
Hi, Dorannwin! I am so sorry to know about that. There really are just people who are insensitive to certain things. Some would think that asking those help is not a big deal. But, really, if this goes on every single month, maybe you should talk to your husband about it. We have good hearts to help people, but this is obviously an abuse. I hope things go smooth soon. Smile!
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
That is something that is hard for him to do because of the fact that he is a genuinely giving person. However, it has just gotten to the point that I'm tired of always trying to bail them out.
@roshigo58 (4856)
• Pune, India
31 Aug 12
Hi, I think your husband's family is selfish. They don't want to help others but they demand many things from you and your husband. When someone do favor for us we show at least gratitude for their help. But your husband family doesn't have even courtesy. When you are going through difficult situation they would have to come forward and try to help you as far as possible. Difficult times teach us to recognize the genuineness of relationship.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
1 Sep 12
That is the truth, you would think that you would be able to depend on your family more than you could your friends. However, I was much more able to depend on our friends than our family when we come to a time of difficulty for our family.