Do masons have a corrupting influence on your country?
By urbandekay
@urbandekay (18278)
September 10, 2012 3:47pm CST
Here in UK it is known that masons run rife in Planning and Architectural circles. They are also reputed to have infiltrated the police and legal system?
all the best urban
4 responses
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
13 Sep 12
I haven't found any credible evidence that the Masons have any real power to speak of. Most of the power they do have, is over their mythological influence. I have personally met some free masons, and I know others who have.
Free Masons is comparatively equal to the Skull and Bones society. Both are very elite organizations... but they are only elite, because elite people are in them.
The organization itself, has no real power at all.
So I highly doubt that either one poses any influence. Corruption is part of the individual who doesn't believe in absolutes. If the Free Masons didn't exist, the same people would be in politics, and the same politicians would be corrupt. There just wouldn't be this specific elite club for them.
But there would be another elite club, and we'd all assume they were some super secret evil corrupting society.
People always assume the worst about things they don't know. The only difference between The 700 Club, or the NRA, or any other group, and the Skull and Bones, or Masons, is that all the other groups anyone can join. Those groups, you have to be very rich, or in a position of influence. Since not everyone can join, it's an "unknown" and because it's a mystery, we make up all this mythology around it.
Both of those groups are nothing more than elite boy clubs. Nothing more. It's where elite people go, to be around other elite people, to feel oh so elite in their elite club. Nothing more sinister than that.
Politicians by their nature are people pleasers, who crave attention and recognition. What better way to get attention and recognition, than to create an elite club where other elite people deem you worthy to be elite with them?
That's all this is. These groups have no real power. The FBI and CIA have looked into both groups in the past, and found nothing worth reporting. Just a bunch of "we are special" people patting each other on the back.
@urbandekay (18278)
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13 Sep 12
Let me then give you an example, an architect who is a mason deliberately misspells a word on a plan to tell a planner who is also an architect that he is one. Now he would surly not do this unless he believed that it would influence the planner's decision
all the best urban
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
13 Sep 12
Often power is an illusion that people make real. A husband who tells his abused wife that she can't live without, and because she believes it, she stays with him even though he abuses her.
This is the only power I believe the Masons have. Notice in your story, the individual that you claim may have been a mason, didn't do anything. Yet you make assumption on assumption, to justify your claim they have power.
What exactly did he do? Scientifically speaking, what was his action? He misspelled a word.
That's it. Assumption: He did so on purpose. Assumption: He did it to say he was a mason. Assumption: He would not have done so without a reason. Assumption: The reason implies he has power and authority.
Not a whole lot there based on the facts?
I had a friend that two years ago ran into some Masons at a restaurant. She was a fit attractive girl, working as a waitress. A group of Masons sat down, and started taking orders. They proceeded to flirt with her, and tried to get her number.
Again, they had Free Mason rings, and were keen to make it apparent.
The boss of the group, ask for her number, so she gave him a false number. When he started to brag to his friends, she pointed out that she doesn't give out her number, and that the number she gave was made up.
At this, they became upset, and she basically told them, too bad. If you don't like the service, I can have another waitress take my place, but you are not getting my number.
So what happened to her for making a fool of the Masons? Um... nothing. She still works there 2 years later. I think the worst thing that happened was they left her a one dollar tip. They have no power, if you don't give them power. That's all there is to it.
@urbandekay (18278)
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13 Sep 12
In a sense you are correct, they have no power, if by power you mean power to compel, they do however have influence and that is perhaps more telling
The point of my example is not that the words was misspelled. The misspelled word was a sign and like any sign is composed of 3 parts, the signifier, what is signified and the agent that understand the signification and as a sign it had the effect desired and though you may argue that the power is not real still it had the desired effect and in that sense is real
all the best urban
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
11 Sep 12
My grandfather was a Mason. I don't recall my mother saying anything unsavory about him except he had an affair. I've heard all sorts of rumors about the masons from weird rituals to human fileting, but I think most of them are stories of fancy.
@crossbones27 (52905)
• Mojave, California
10 Sep 12
I think any group that tries to stay hidden in its affairs on such things, should always be something to worry about. Especially with a group that is supposed to be around as long as them. They had a program on National Geographic I watched like 5 years ago about the group and what they stand for. All I got out of it was, if they are supposes to be for the greater good why are they so secretive? It just don't make sense.
@JohnRok1 (2051)
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11 Sep 12
The late Leith Samuel records that his Christian father was invited and advised to join the masons if he wanted to advance further in his career. He did want to, but felt, as a Christian, that he could not join them. So he remained in the same status for the rest of his career.
At the end of the war he was something like deputy director of transport in Wallasey (His boss was Sir Bernard Green), and was asked by Leyland Motors what colour the new buses should be. He dutifully referred them to his superior: "See Green", he said. Leith Samuel further records that "sea green they have been ever since".
