Is it time that Muhammad was relegated to the status of a myth?
By urbandekay
@urbandekay (18278)
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@JohnRok1 (2051)
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21 Sep 12
There are a number of artefacts. In the Topkapi you can see the sword of Mohammed, the sword of his successor Abu Bakr, and I think swords of successors after him. Do you think Muhammad's marrying Aisha when she was 6 and "consummating the marriage" when she was 9 and never having any children by her is a myth? Do you think her words, "The Prophet loved three things foremost: women, perfumes, and food; he had his heart’s desire of the two first, but not of the last" are a myth? Is his mass beheading of one of three Jewish tribes in Medina a myth? No, he's as real a person as Julius Caesar, but some of the other stories about him may well be myths.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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21 Sep 12
Swords etc. may well count as evidence if and only if it can be substantiated that they did indeed belong to Muhammad since anyone can put some old sword in a museum case and label it the sword of whoever.
"Do you think Muhammad's marrying Aisha when she was 6 and "consummating the marriage" when she was 9 and never having any children by her is a myth? Do you think her words, "The Prophet loved three things foremost: women, perfumes, and food; he had his heart’s desire of the two first, but not of the last" are a myth?"
What I think is not relevant here about Muhammad's existence is not relevant here
"Is his mass beheading of one of three Jewish tribes in Medina a myth?"
Is it a matter of historical fact that Muhammad personally massacred 3 Jewish tribes? No, more likely, thinks I, that history records that an Arab army did such
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@JohnRok1 (2051)
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21 Sep 12
The answer to your last question is no. Two of the tribes were driven into exile. Muhammad only perpetrated the massacre of the third.
One strong argument for believing the New Testament is that nobody would make anything like that up. The same applies to the facts that I have listed above. If a muslim had made up the story about Muhammad impregnating a nine year old girl, they would have also invented a story about her being able, none the less, to conceive in later life. Similarly, just who would make up a comment like Aisha's?

@urbandekay (18278)
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22 Sep 12
Thought most people recognised Adam and Eve as allegorical figures but perhaps not
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
20 Sep 12
Hmmm, maybe not as myth, but as a mere person.. To me the Koran is documentation of his having lived, I've never really considered that he hadn't, so that is a new idea to me.

@artemeis (4189)
• China
22 Sep 12
Not likely and for many years to come.
It is a fact that Muhammad the prophet is being the regarded as the authoritative figure relating to Islam. Relegating him will be equivalent to deposing Islam from the religion position.
However, if the authenticated historical evidence does turn up eventually, I just hate to think what it would be like at the other end.
Mass self denial and disbelief outcry?
Maybe.
@Jake809 (97)
• Denmark
20 Sep 12
hahaha. You are so funny keeping posting the same thing over and over again. Until now you haven't told us what historical evidence you want to know. I can ask you the same thing. What proof do you have that Jesus did exited? What is the facts you basis your evidence on? I like to hear that so I can know what kind of idea you have for evidence. Otherwise you are just post the same question to make people comment more on your discussion without really wanting to know the truth.
@urbandekay (18278)
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20 Sep 12
1 This discussion is about Muhammad not Jesus, please stay on topic
2 This is not the same discussion
3 In a previous post I explained what constituted evidence: writings from disinterested parties, archaeology, artefacts mentioning Muhammad etc.
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@Jake809 (97)
• Denmark
20 Sep 12
It is the same thing. If you can't prove that Jesus did exited then how can you expect that others have to? There tons of books written of Muhammed by his friends and his enemies which were many. If there wasn't a man called Muhammed why would they go to war against him and try to kill him? Archaeology there is his tomb and his earthly body left on this earth. That is more then what you can say about Jesus. He left nothing. The artefacts, well there is the mosque in Medina that he and his companions build. What proof artefacts do you have of Jesus that is left behind? Then there is his family. He was married and even had grandsons whom were killed and buried and you can still see their tombs and their enemies also wrote about them as much of those who love them. Beside the bible there is no mention about Jesus. Can you really proof to me that Jesus really exited? I really like to hear the proofs you have so I can understand you thoughts about proof, because until now whatever people give you say it isn't good enough, then please make an example and tell us how to prove someone did exited in the past. I like you to do that with Jesus if you can.
@urbandekay (18278)
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20 Sep 12
Whether or not Jesus existed is irrelevant to this discussion, which is only about whether Muhammad existed, please stay on topic or I may report you
What writings are there by his enemies of the time, these might constitute evidence?
There is not evidence, that I know of, that the tomb or the body therein is Muhammad's.
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