Socialism... Peru free health care marching away

@andy77e (5156)
United States
October 20, 2012 12:09am CST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20000475 Once again, socialized health care results in death. Peru has a two-tier health care system. One provided by capitalist pay-for-service health care, and the other by publicly run government paid for socialized care. Now for 5 full weeks, the doctors nurses, and hospital administrators have walked out. Most public *free-care* hospital are nearly vacant of staff. While patients are left literally to die. Keep in mind this is a socialized system that isn't good when they are working, but now they are striking for pay. Patients line up at the hospital at 5 AM when the hospital opens. They sit in a massive waiting area, and "hope" in their own words, to see a doctor. Then if they are lucky enough to actually see a doctor, they are granted a bed in a common ward, where you share the room, with absolutely no privacy, with over 25 other people. And of course you could get sick from whatever they have. But this luxury free-care service provided by the benevolent government, hasn't given out pay raises to it's doctors nurses and administrator. As a result, they all abandoned their patients and marched through the streets, for over a month now. No government has the infinite amounts of money to provide free-care to people. When people say we need to cut health care costs, Peru is exactly what happens. The government doesn't pay people enough, because it doesn't have enough, because people are not going to pay the taxes needed. Thus you have endless strikes over wages. Of course in a capitalist free-market system, these would not just be patients, but paying customers. The hospital itself would increase pay in order to keep valued employees who serviced the customer, who would then pay for the health care service they received. Exactly how the private hospitals in Peru operate, and that is exactly why the wait time to see a doctor is minimal, and the staff do not strike and desert their patients. Men and women, this is exactly why we don't want socialized health care. If we have government run the system, it will NEVER work nearly as well as it does today. The free-market capitalist system works better, always has, always will.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
20 Oct 12
I can just hear (read) it now! How will those POOR people pay? Well, just like we did before medicare and medicaid. Monthly, or by charity donations. It has ONLY been since government stepped in to pay for poor folks (medicare, medicaid) that prices have went through the roof. I had my first child in a hospital that charged me for three days, normal delivery. I paid the bill in installments for about a year. As a child, our doctor would allow a monthly bill to be run. He EVEN would come to the house. Now, if you don't have $150 dollars up front or no insurance, no doctor will see you. Forget about paying by the month. When the government and insurance companies set the prices, those who do not have either government insurance or private insurance pay MORE. I've worked in healthcare for 22 years. Medicare & Medicaid patients do NOT get the same treatments as private insurance patients. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
20 Oct 12
Ironically other news reports indicate that nearly 25% of poor people I,n Peru still go to see shamen, and witch doctors. Now that right there is free health care for you. Anyone want to guess that our evil pay-for-service "greedy" system provides better care for even the poorest people in our country? Seems a safe bet to me.
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@anklesmash (1412)
20 Oct 12
Peru is one example of a government provided healthcare system that has problems.There are plenty of examples of government healthcare systems providing good quality healthcare for all.In my opinion Peru is a poor example to theorise the result of creating a government provided healthcare system in the US.The US has the resources to provide a much more comprehensive healthcare with much better quality healthcare.For example the Cuban healthcare system is very efficient it provides very good quality healthcare for everyone at the fraction of the price the US spends.
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
21 Oct 12
At first I thought you were being sarcastic. Cuba? Really? Here's your reality check for Cuba. Most of Cuba doesn't have Ambulance service. People bring the sick to the hospital in wheelbarrows. If they do not bring them, then they die. Most of Cuba's hospitals have no windows, and no air conditioning or heat. If the weather is bad, or the weather is hot, the patients simply suffer. Further most patients are not protected from things like rats, fleas, or mosquitoes or biting flies. The average "doctor" in Cuba, has so little health care training, that a doctor coming to the US, doesn't even qualify to be a nurse at a private practice, let alone at a hospital or to be an actual doctor. We know this because Cuban doctors were sent to Venezuela, and they escaped being watched by Cuban government officials, and fled to the US. When they got here, their level of education and training in health care, wasn't worth anything at all. To claim that these "doctors" that don't qualify to be nurses, are giving Cubans the same quality of care that Doctors in the US do.... is a joke. Laughable joke. But it doesn't end there. Cubans do not have access to the most basic of health care supplies, such as Aspirin. Missionary groups routinely send bottles of Aspirin to Cuba, because the average Cuban will never see the rare pill in their life. We're talking about a pill that in America, can be had at any quick-mart petrol station for at most $4 US dollars for a bottle of 50 pills. Cubans can't get that, let alone the millions of other medications, that are completely unheard of in Cuba. That's good quality health care? No, and worse Castro knows this. When Castro needed health care, he bought a private jet, flew the jet to latin America, Brazil I believe, hired a doctor from Brazil, AND brought all of his equipment, medications, and even staff, back to Cuba to treat him. Lastly, the most of the reports that Cuban health care is good, is based on two things. One is government reports. So Castro says what the Cubans get is good? And we trust this? Like the Soviets saying that Russia is doing better and better, even though people were literally eating each other because of the lack of food. He lied. The second reason, is that Castro built a couple of 'show hospitals'. These are hospitals build specifically for the resorts. These hospitals are paid for out of the revenue from tourists. These hospitals are the best in Cuba, and still only provide basic care you would expect tourists would need. Basically people get hurt sometimes on vacation, and Cuba had to have such hospitals just to keep the tourists coming. But... as of 2012, Cubans are not allowed to use the tourist Hospitals. The hospitals are only for the tourists, who pay for their existence through their tourism. They are not allowed to treat Cubans. So no, Cuba does not provide even a tiny fraction of the quality of care the US system provides. Not even the smallest fraction. This is why when the World Health Organization came out with their list, I knew instantly the whole WHO ranking was a sham. To compare a country with the highest survival rates for all illnesses, to a country where the average citizen can't even get Aspirin.... is absolutely idiotic. The ranking was a complete joke, and so is WHO.
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@dainy1313 (2370)
• Leon, Mexico
23 Oct 12
Hello andy. Mexico is another example of a poor free health system. The french public health system is based in private doctors. In France if you get ill, but if you are suscribed to the public health system, you can choose any doctor from the list of the private hospitals suscribed to the program. The doctor doesn´t know if you are going to his office for private, or with public program, til the end, when time to pay comes. The doctor will sign your receit, you get your free medicine, you will sign on his papers with your social numbers, and he will get his money from the government. This is much more fair to anybody. In Mexico the project of implemeting this system is set. But public health system doctors are complaining about. Of course they fear to loose their job, they marched against the project . The french system is a better option at my advice. Don`t you think so? Blessings andy... dainy