If Evolution Is Not True, Then........

Another mystery of Evolution - A fossil, does that prove Evolution?
November 26, 2012 3:56pm CST
Reading some of the post on here and visiting the more 'Weird' forums scattered around the internet, Then I am encouraged not to believe in Evolution... Here is my dilemma..... If there is no such thing as Evolution, WHY DO I HAVE TOENAILS?????????
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@p1kef1sh (45683)
27 Nov 12
No doubt a creationist would say because you were born with them! They don't evolve, just grow...
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• United States
6 Apr 16
There's a BIG, HUGE difference between creationists and those who truly know and study the Bible. Those creationists who believe that God created everything in SIX 24 days are even more wrong than those who believe in the evolution of one species to another. What they believe is NOT what the Bible says.
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@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
26 Nov 12
That's a good one... there are zillions of things on our bodies that really show that we came about by evolution rather then just creation. Other good ones would be things like tailbones, spinal cords, appendixes, body hair, an imperfect digestive system, fat storage, lungs, and many others. If we were created, then you'd expect us to not be able to figure out a way we'd work better... but it doesn't take much to come to conclusions.
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@lacieice (2063)
• United States
26 Nov 12
There was a program on Discovery last night called "curiosity" that showed how we evoled from a single cell in the ocean. We progressed through stages to fish, then we learned to breath air and became a land animal, which evoled in a lizard type creature, and that is when we developed nails to be able to dig and forage. It showed how the evloutionary process took us through many stages until we finally became a creature that could stand on 2 legs, and finally developed speech and become a homosapian. Very interesting theory.
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• Canada
26 Nov 12
Curiosity is a really good show, lots of awesome and interesting facts from it. Evolution makes perfect sense for how we developed to what we are today, where creation has a few... glitches...
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• United States
6 Apr 16
There are actually zillions of things that show that the human body was designed. Take for instance memory and the ability to plan for the future. Animals only have rudimentary abilities in either of those things. What about all of the working systems in your body. Circulatory, respiratory, skeletal framework. nervous system, etc.etc. Do you even have any idea how these systems work and interact with each other? What about our immune system. That alone is marvelous. If you walked into a factory with everything running automatically would you think that it sprung up by itself or that someone intelligent designed it? There are more and more scientists who study these things and who are totally convinced that the human body had a designer. A very intelligent designer. To believe that humans evolved from a single cell in the ocean is preposterous. It takes a whole lot more FAITH to believe that than it does to believe in a Creator, who has the Bible to back up everything that has been done on the earth. This Bible has been preserved intact through centuries of criticism and attempts to destroy it. Now the Bible is available to over 95% of the people on the earth in their own language. And still people would rather believe in some human who came up with a theory over 150 years ago, who had no knowledge of genetics or DNA. DNA alone proves to me that each individual person is unique and yet descended from another pair of humans.
@stk40m (1119)
• Koeln, Germany
26 Nov 12
imo there's no doubt that evolution takes place. However, the crucial question is: who or what causes it. Darwinism says it happens without the involvement of any consciousness, i.e. via ''natural'' selection (mutation, chance, surrounding conditions). Lamarckism goes further and says that there are ''acquired characterists'' which are passed to following generations. Personally I'd even go further and state that: there's no evolution without consciousness. Thus, consciousness existed before evolution first took place, i.e. before there were living beings made of matter. Cheers
• Canada
26 Nov 12
On your statement that there is no evolution without consciousness... are you implying then, that bacteria are conscious beings? If the two of them are in relation to eachother, then that would make bacteria and viruses the most conscious living organisms, because they go through the most extreme and quickest forms of evolution.. am I hearing you right?
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@stk40m (1119)
• Koeln, Germany
27 Nov 12
yes and no I distinguish between matter and consciousness. In my view mere consciousness does not equal life. Consciousness merely ''acts'' upon matter or rather ''plays'' with it. Consciousness ''needs'' matter to become aware of itself, to become ''alive''. I consider consciousness (when separated from matter) as one big ocean (btw, as I learned yesterday, E. Schrödinger had similar thoughts about that particular issue) which ''sends'' drops (like drops of water) into the ''real'' physical world to become ''alive'', even if it's just bacteria or a virus. Then that ''little'' soul starts playing... until things work. And if they work things improve and so forth. I don't see how mecanisms like reprodution AND improvement could come into being just by ''accident'', even if there's a lot of time for that to happen. But what's even more of a mystery to me is why would ''things'' follow a certain line of events which are always defined by those mecanisms. That would imply that life is a physical law, i.e. life without consciousness. But then again you'd have to explain how that physical law came into being... something or someone has to ''drive'' it you know. Just like computers didn't came into being by themselves but needed a consciousness that developped them - started its evolution.
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• United States
6 Apr 16
@stk40m The answer is a living Almighty God who not only created all things in the Universe but who had the Bible written and preserved for us today. What most people do not realize, is that the Bible contains a "sacred secret." Basically, it involves God's plans and purposes for the earth and for humans. It's all there, so clearly explained to those who seek answers to questions like you just asked.. The "sacred secret" began in the beginning of human history and will continue until God is satisfied with the outcome. It's one of the most marvelous things I've ever learned and I only hope that more people would also learn about it and understand that all the history of man down through the centuries has been a part of this plan and will have a finale. All the terrible things happening on the earth today are part of the "SIGN" that we are supposed to recognize as the "time of the end." The "last days" of this world as we know it. Unfortunately, many people would rather ridicule the Bible than to heed its message. But, this will not stop what God has in store for the earth and its inhabitants. The evolutionary theory or aliens from another planet are merely an attempt to ignore what is about to happen. People choose those ideas because they don't want to be responsible for their actions. If there is no God, there is no purpose of life and therefore a person can do what ever they want and not be held accountable. But, what if you KNEW that you had the opportunity to LIVE FOREVER on a peaceful earth? Would you be interested in learning HOW to do that? Or are you satisfied to just grow old and die. Evolution gives you NO HOPE, NO PURPOSE. The Bible promises everlasting life. Isn't it worth finding out for sure?
@savak03 (6685)
• United States
27 Nov 12
I am glad that you do not believe in evolution. Evolution is a theory that has not, and can not be proven. Yet schools teach it as fact and warp the minds of kids everywhere. I don't know how to add to the answer you already have for why we have toenails. The answers already given were very good. I can only hope you will understand them. You did not say if you believed in creation. I do and that is my basis for understanding many of the mysteries of life. I find that believing in a creator who is responsible for all my parts, including toenails, is very liberating.
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• United States
27 Nov 12
As it pertains to the origins of life, you're right. It cannot be proven, save having a time machine. Even recreating life doesn't "prove" that life was created the same way. But as it pertains to how species evolve over time through natural selection, that is as close to "fact" as you have in science. Not sure how it's warping minds, but that's probably a good topic for a separate discussion. And I'd love to rant on it.
27 Nov 12
I DO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION!! Another one who misses the tone of a discussion
• St. Peters, Missouri
27 Nov 12
I'm not trying to be argumentative here - just asking a very serious question. Why does the existence of evolution preclude the possibility of creation? Or vice-versa? Why can't both be true? Doesn't one explain how we (the universe, et al) came into existence and the other explain how we changed once we got here? It seems to me, and I'm very willing to hear alternative ways of thinking as long as it makes rational sense, that the Bible gives a very general account of how things came into being. In one of the creation stories, the one most often referred to near the beginning of Genesis, the order of things created is the same as the order of things created in evolution. Why can't it be that the Bible gives main appearances - the sun, the earth, land, water animals, land animals, humans and evolution explains how we went from one to another? The Bible says God created these things. Yes. Couldn't he have created these things through evolution? Is God so limited that the only way he can create is NOW?
@Asylum (47930)
• Manchester, England
27 Nov 12
There is no doubt in my mind that evolution takes place, although we cannot be certain of the origins of may species whatever the experts claim. Many creatures can be traced through various stages of evolution and there are none as far as I now extant today that have left any trace all the way through history in the same physical state. Evolution takes such a tremendous period to occur that it is not noticeable during our lifetime, but there are some minor changes that even I have noticed. People are generally taller to day than when I was young. This may seem insignificant but if we look at the armour in the museums and stately homes then we can see how small mankind was a millennium ago. Armour was worn by strong and well built people of the time, but today it would only fit a child.
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• United States
31 Mar 16
Actually there were gigantic men in ancient times, just like there are still pygmies today. It all depends on where you live, who your ancestors are and what you eat.
@Asylum (47930)
• Manchester, England
31 Mar 16
@IreneVincent How can you say there is no evidence? If mankind did not evolve then they would have been around during the millions of years that dinosaurs roamed the Earth and the millions of years before dinosaurs when other creatures existed. Without evolution the present day creatures would not exist.
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@Asylum (47930)
• Manchester, England
31 Mar 16
@IreneVincent The length apportioned to a biblical day is academic. The fact still is that many creatures have existed and become extinct and other creatures have since come into existence.
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@inertia4 (28111)
• United States
29 Nov 12
Well, you know and I know evolution is real. And we did evolve. People do have a strange outlook on this because of their beliefs. We all evolved from the sea. All animals have some characteristics that are similar. We are no different. As for Dinosaurs, well, maybe they put the bones together wrong. LOL!!!!! . I had to say that.
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• United States
31 Mar 16
The discovery of DNA completely messed up the theory of the evolutionary process of one species evolving into another one. Yes , there are animals and even humans who ADAPT to new environments but no one has ever proven that one species evolved into another one. There have been many "scientific hoaxes" down through the years, in an effort to support Darwin's theory, but these hoaxes have been exposed. Drawings have confused the issue as artists try to insinuate their depictions of what early man looked like, which are totally laughable. The very act of procreation debunks the evolution of one species into another species. Any effort to mate two species of animals by artificial insemination has only resulted in a sterile animal who cannot reproduce. This alone convinces me that the evolution of one species to another is IMPOSSIBLE. Think about it, seriously.
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@inertia4 (28111)
• United States
6 Apr 16
@IreneVincent That leave the fact that we may have been genetically engineered by an alien race. Which is also a possibility. We should not ever discount that theory. Since we know more about the universe now and that there might be life on other planets, anything is possible.
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• United States
6 Apr 16
@inertia4 I don't think I would ever believe that theory. It's way too complicated for so many reasons. Creation by an Almighty God is easy to believe compared to that.
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@rog0322 (2829)
• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines
27 Nov 12
Hi, If we accept the natural processes of life arising from some primordial soup without intelligent intervention, it is like shaking a can of parts and eventually coming up with a working and well-tuned watch. Somebody must have designed things that way, toenails and all in their own perfect places and not just some product of accidental congregation of distinct components, from atoms to organic molecules to DNA and living things. Some scientists has been duplicating that initial condition in laboratories yet they are still to come up with even a single organic slime called life crawling out of their test tubes.
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• United States
27 Nov 12
Not really. It'd be more like shaking a can of parts and eventually coming up with something different from the initial parts. Not out to argue this. There's been plenty of that on myLot. But evolution doesn't suggest things today emerged from the shake machine.
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• United States
6 Apr 16
• Cebu, Philippines
28 Mar 16
Oh man.. I really don't want to get into this kid of topic, it's never ending.. Just gonna read through for now.
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• United States
7 Apr 16
This is a never-ending discussion. But, believe me, those who believe that one species evolved into another have to have a lot of faith in that theory, because there is no proof.
@dollar3235 (2062)
• India
25 Jan 13
Trust me, there will be a day on this planet, when a robot will also start such discussion in his robot robot forum and other robots will respond to his discussion saying that they were evolved out of iron and electronic chips and there is nothing like human that exists/existed on this planet. I hope you understand what I mean. Till now we're unable to decipher our own genes, how could you trust a guy who knew nothing about genes in 19th Century..tell me what kind of proof you want to believe that there was no such thing as evolution on this planet?
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• United States
6 Apr 16
You are soooo right. Darwin knew NOTHING about genetics 150 years ago when he came up with his theory. DNA completely RUINS his theory.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
10 Dec 12
From a creationist perspective, God made you that way. That, along with several other physiological imperfections the human body innately has. There are reasons for it, or so the argument goes. The interesting part is always how a creationist reconciles serious genetic imperfections with their omnipotent god's design plan.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
27 Nov 12
Have you seen that woman with the ubersuperduperlong fingernails!? What species is she?
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
29 Nov 12
If evolution is true then it means there was a time when our ancestors didn`t had nails at all.Ever thought of that ?
30 Nov 12
No never thought of that - I am in the belief, and I doubt I am alone in this - That nails were once claws, from when we were scurrying mammals
@IreneVincent (15969)
• United States
31 Mar 16
The simple answer to that question is: To protect our toes and fingernails protect our finger tips.
@Nursefrai06 (2498)
• Penrith, Australia
25 Jan 13
Haha! Your discussion made me laugh. In a good way. do you prefer to have claws instead? toenails are awesome, without them, feet would look weird, and you can paint them too. They are beautiful, feet would never be complete without them.