Bible Sharing: Is pork really clean? not loathed by God?

@Danzylop (1120)
Philippines
December 17, 2012 1:44am CST
Hi fellow mylotizens, This very debatable topic that I will bring up is aimed at sharing your own belief, personal or biblical, I will respect it but please site a biblical text in rebutting. I am referring to the Leviticus chapter 11 as a one complete teaching regarding the dietary law. If this what is written, then why most Christians still eat pork, beef, and all other food that was specified to be loathsome? And you as a Christian, would you agree that salvation would be affected by what we eat? Or Does God really cleansed pork? what do you think?
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15 responses
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
17 Dec 12
The most religious people I've met pick and choose strictly what suits them best when it comes to worship, not what they're guided to do. Every religious person I've ever known or met in my life is the same way -- they take from holy text what they want to, and they insist--to the point of berating anyone to disagree--that their way of worship is the way of worship and that they're living righteous and everyone else would do well to follow their lead. Tricky stuff, this religion. But to the point: Why wouldn't salvation depend on something like that? Sounds about right to me.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
19 Dec 12
Faith is personal and varies from individual to individual, some are more 'capable' of living up to the scriptural standard than others. I believe the Bible puts it as - some still require milk (figuratively) and some are ready to move on to the meat of the matter. I feel, it is the dogmatic religions that insist on a strict code of conduct that most often get it wrong, relying on one or two verses to base their whole doctrine on, rather than a learning a growing atmosphere where the leader is a shepherd who guides rather than a preacher/teacher who dictates.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
17 Dec 12
You know, no one else can save someone's own self except himself. But each of us, as declared in the Bible, should share the bible. And perhaps for people who studied the bible, they wouldn't agree to anyone's interpretation if they know they have something to tell on the contrary. Is is not a matter of debate. Everyone is a seeker of salvation and discussion is just one way.
• United States
17 Dec 12
Pork - Pork is one of the faster spoiling meats. It can have parasites. It must be handled and cooked with care.
Pork was declared unclean in an age before modern sanitation or proper refrigeration was invented. The Bible was a book written largely by authors of this age. Pork is one of the faster spoiling meats. It can have parasites. It must be handled and cooked with care. Yet every other meat can spoil, have parasites, or otherwise make people very sick. Heck, so can many vegetables and fruits.
• United States
17 Dec 12
Ironically it's also the most preserved meat, without refrigeration. Salt-cured pork has thousands of different forms. And many of them are delicious.
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@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
17 Dec 12
@CraftyCorner, yup I agree. And maybe one of the reasons why God declared it unclean is because He know that we're gonna get alot of sickness out of it. @matersfish, even if it is the most preserved meat, it is still unclean. preserving is not cleaning.
@hotsummer (13835)
• Philippines
17 Dec 12
It's clean but for health reasons I eat chicken more
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@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
17 Dec 12
Please tell a text. So we can discuss.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
18 Dec 12
Read Acts 10:9-16. This law in Leviticus was given to the Jews. Christians are not under the Mosaic Law. Read Acts 15. Salvation is affected by believing Christ as our Lord and Savior and accepting Him as such. It has nothing to do with the food we eat.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
18 Dec 12
so when God told Noah he could eat any meat, and then told Moses that the Jews were not to eat pork, shellfish, etc, God changed His mind? That appears to be what you are saying.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
18 Dec 12
Christ claimed the fact that He came here not to change anything God the Father has created but instead He is here to fulfill them right? The Law the was given by God to Moses is included in here. And by the fact the we believe in Christ, are we not bound to follow what He and God the Father tell us to keep ourselves holy? And I see that to stumble just because of food issues seem to be senseless to you but the all the Law that God made are still existent until the end of time. Are you willing to exchange salvation for food?
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@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
18 Dec 12
Why don't check the discussions that I made far above? Someone else have posted the same scripture and I think I did a good job in explaining my interpretation on the first one that you gave. Regarding the second scripture, I dont see anything that coincide with your opinion that "Eating what was once considered unclean food will not lose me my salvation.". As far as I know, whilst the meat is in between the teeth, the anger of God flamed against the person. One more thing, I am trying to search for the verse that tells something that the laws are eternal and no one can repeal it but it seems that I am having a hard time locating but later I think I can.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
20 Dec 12
If you read the bible God, said to peter that he cleaned all those things that is dirty in the eyes of the men. So I think there is nothing wrong with pork to eat. Christian not being save because of what they eat but because of what religion to belong which is the commandment of God.
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@Arieles (2473)
• United States
17 Dec 12
I quit eating pork because in the old testament it was forbidden and seen as "not clean". I continued to eat other forms of meat, mostly chicken, turkey and tuna and little steak. Fast forward one year and I quit eating all other forms of meat, not because of the bible, but because of the research I have done myself on the affect meat has on the body and how protein can affect the growth of cancer cells. In the new testament eating of pork is allowed. My view on the new testament and foods is this is God allowing us to have free choice. This is where we have to decide what is right and what is wrong, but if one is to believe in the bible, I think for myself anyways, that the old testament is how we are suppose to live our life because those were the first instructions handed down to us. I have read several books, the most notable one being "The China Study" by Colin T. Campbell. I have seen documentaries on the affects that cows are having on global warming. Did you know one cow emits more carbon dioxide than 10 cars? Astonishing isn't it? Did you know they are clearing the rainforest (something our environment truly needs) for raising beef cattle? I may not be able to save the environment myself but I sure can help by not eating meat. I get my protein from healthy fats like seeds, nuts, eggs, grains and peanut butter. Also, the meat we are eating today is different than the meat of years ago. Today, when a steer gets sick they are pumped with antibiotics and those antibiotics are not even clear before they might be sent to the slaughter house, so we could be ingesting some of those antibiotics. There are growth hormones given to these beef to encourage faster growth. What are in those growth hormones? Is it the same as human growth hormone? To much is a bad thing. Not only that, but the way beef is fed today is terrible. The majority of them are being fed modified soy and corn products (are you familiar with GMO?) Okay, so these are all the reasons why I don't eat pork or meat of any kind. I am concerned for the environment and I am concerned for my health and the health of my children, and the old testament.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
17 Dec 12
Oh that is a very informative trivia Arieles. I never knew that before. Cows emit more pollutant gases. Hmnn.. You know I just want to ask why do you believe that the New Testament allows us all to eat pork or any meat? I am just curious cause I have been searching for some clear references for that matter, but seems there is none.
@Arieles (2473)
• United States
17 Dec 12
You will find it in the book of Mark 7: 18-19. Yes, cows and bulls emit a lot of gasses, depleting the ozone layer more ans more.
@Arieles (2473)
• United States
18 Dec 12
Acts 10:11-14 )
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
17 Dec 12
Christians, by definition, follow the teachings of Christ and Jesus is recorded as saying: "What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'" (Matthew 15:11). In other words, Jesus effectively removed the restrictions laid down in Leviticus. The Old Testament was written specifically for Jews. The books which are included with the New Testament writings to form the Christian Bible were selected for historical, informational reasons, because they are referred to by the later writers and not because they necessarily form part of Christian doctrine or are directly relevant to Christians or Gentiles.
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
17 Dec 12
Genesis 9:3 has: "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." You can't have it much clearer than that - IF you believe the Bible to be literally 'the words of God', in which case, you will have to account for some serious inconsistencies and contradictions!
• Philippines
17 Dec 12
What you have sited on Matthew is true, however, what have been allowed are those foods which are not forbidden. AS you can read on Genesis 1:29 "...I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." It is clear in here what has been allowed for food. My friend I haven't read any text giving specifications nor ratification on what has been written on the Old Testament. Can you site one for reference?
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
17 Dec 12
Genesis preceded the law owl. If I tell you you are free to eat to today, that is for today. And if later on, I tell you do not eat, would you still count on my first statement?
@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
21 Dec 12
In the bible, it was said that it is not about what we eat that makes us dirty or clean. It is what is in our minds, thoughts and hearts that makes us pure or unpure. I always believe that the choice of food was given to us. The Lord God has allowed people to eat meat during the time of Noah when God flooded the world and there were no vegetables grown.
@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
17 Dec 12
I'm Catholic and never heard anything in the Bible against pork although we know you have to be very careful with it. Catholics once said that we had to eat fish on Friday. Like most things in the bible very few of the very older people still go by that. Those of us who now question the Bible don't feel that we need to do that.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
18 Dec 12
It is in Leviticus 11 my friend.
@Arieles (2473)
• United States
18 Dec 12
In the old testament we are told not to eat meat of an open hoofed animal (pork) as it is unclean. I can't remember what book it is in, but it's there in the King James version.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
17 Dec 12
Hi Danzylop, Pork may not be a food that is good for the physical body, but there is no harm in eating it in moderation. It is certainly not a sin to eat any food,and Christians especially should know that. Jesus Christ said, "it's not what goes into the body that defiles a man, but that which comes out". Of course, he was speaking of the evil that we say about others, the gossip that we spread around, not caring whether it is true or not. Blessings.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
18 Dec 12
I respect your response Pose123. I hope you would take time checking at my comments above.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
19 Dec 12
Correct, Leviticus written pig is an unclean animal, but christians are not forbiden to eat pork, it is not an absolute commendment from God not to eat them. But some may want to interprete in another way and refuse to eat them, that is also alright for God. God leave it to his followers the free wills to decide for themselves. I disagree salvation would be affected by what we eat, except by what we do.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
19 Dec 12
Animals also are God creation other than just man and woman. So basically i don't fond of killing animals. But it is a complex situation, because not every animal is friendly to me, so i can't argue by saying that killing animal is totally wrong, since sometime you need to do what is necessary to survive in time of danger pose by circumstances. I am sure my God understand that.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
19 Dec 12
I dont think so lampar. If God wants his people to decide on whether to eat or not, then, why did he had to put punishments?
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
19 Dec 12
And why would he avenge the lives of those animals that were killed?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
19 Dec 12
Some Bible verses that show eating pork is not sin for a Gentile Christian: 1Corinthians 10:23-AV All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. 1Corinthians 10:24-AV Let no man seek his own, but every man another's [wealth]. Think of what is good for others rather than yourself. It is offensive for you to refuse the offer of food or drink as a guest? Then do not worry about what is offered, but rather offending by refusing. 1Corinthians 10:25-AV Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, [that] eat, asking no question for conscience sake: Same as above. the shambles was the public market place and food that had been offered to idols first was then sold in the market place later. A Jew would NEVER buy from a market that sold meat that had been offered first to an idol. Here, Paul is saying that for the Jew who has chosen to follow Jesus, this was no longer necessary. 1Corinthians 10:26-AV For the earth [is] the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. God declared ALL creation to be good. The dietary laws given later where a part of His unfolding revelations, a way to set apart the Chosen PEople of Israel. As example, first only one tree forbidden, then all herbs only (no fungus like mushrooms. Only seed bearing plants, no meat. Then meat was added after flood. Then only certain meats. 1Corinthians 10:27-AV If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. 1Corinthians 10:28-AV But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth [is] the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: 1Corinthians 10:29-AV Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another [man's] conscience? If it offends some one your are dinging with, do not eat it. 1Corinthians 10:30-AV For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? 1Corinthians 10:31-AV Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1Corinthians 10:32-AV Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 1Corinthians 10:33-AV Even as I please all [men] in all [things], not seeking mine own profit, but the [profit] of many, that they may be saved. Paul is consistent here with the trend that has been emerging. All things are lawful to him but he would not give offence to another by eating something the other thought unclean, in the other's presence. He would consider the other's feelings above his own. If invited out to a meal, he would show good manners by asking a blessing and cheerfully eating what was put in front of him rather than offend the host by rejecting what would probably be a carefully and lovingly prepared meal. Meat sacrificed to idols is not a problem in western cultures but may be in some pagan cultures. Romans 14:2-AV For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Romans 14:3-AV Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. The main point here is whether God has received a person, not what he eats. Some religions make a big issue of food and actively support vegetarianism. There is no biblical support for this position and such should be a matter of personal choice. Colossians 2:16-AV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Jewish converts were critical of Gentile converts and had been admonishing them for not complying with all the laws kept by the Jews. Here Paul tells them they can safely ignore any ‘rules’ concerning food and drink, and ceremonial days. There is a need however, to consider that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and that we are to keep them in good order. We should endeavor then to avoid foods that we know may be harmful. I would suggest that the eating of pork, while not forbidden to the Christian, should be avoided as the general rule. The main thing to consider is contained in the verses that follow. Mark 7:18-AV And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, [it] cannot defile him; Mark 7:19-AV Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? Mark 7:20-AV And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. Mark 7:21-AV For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Mark 7:22-AV Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: Mark 7:23-AV All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. Here we have Jesus telling us that nothing that goes into a man can defile him (in a spiritual sense that is), but what comes out of him defiles. Dear reader, are you being defiled by what comes out of your mouth? By your thoughts and deeds? If you confess your sins to Jesus, believe that He is the Son of God, and proclaim this with your mouth, you will be saved.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
19 Dec 12
You will not be damned for all time for not keeping kosher...It is the opposite: Keeping Kosher is a mitzvah! If you keep the commandments of HaShem then you are on your way to righteousness. The teachings of the Torah are not meant to make people live in fear of eternal damnation. They are meant to help folks live a good and decent life. A life filled with love of the Lord and of our fellow men. Every time you do a Mitzvah or keep a Mitzvah, it brings you closer to HaShem and your purpose here on earth...When you do not do them, you have missed a wonderful chance to draw closer to the Lord. Another thing; The kosher laws were not intended to make folks vegans or vegetarians. Quite the opposite, it is a mitzvah to eat meat on the Sabbath even if it is expensive for you. The Lord gave us dominion over the animals not because they need to be ruled or controlled, but as a gift for such as eating them. Many Jews are vegetarians, but not so much because of Kasher laws, but because it is difficult to keep dairy and meat separate and kosher meat is insanely expensive. However, on major feast days and Pesach most Jews eat meat.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
19 Dec 12
There is a difference between promoting (for health reasons) and making vegatarianism a matter of doctrine, making salvation conditional upon obedience to the practice. It is very good to teach others good health can hygiene practices, it is not good to judge them as lost if they do not follow your advice.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
19 Dec 12
@The main point here is whether God has received a person, not what he eats. Some religions make a big issue of food and actively support vegetarianism. There is no biblical support for this position and such should be a matter of personal choice. -We do promote actively vegetarianism. Although we try to practise it, we still eat, chicken and fish but time will come that we can 100% stay away from them, I think that would be the time when there is no longer anything available except herbs and that would be time of the coming of God. And for a biblical support, please see: Proverbs 15:17 - Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.
@vernaC (1491)
• Romania
17 Dec 12
There are words in the Bible that should not be understood literally. There are many Bible verses that refers to your topic. There is a verse that said not to eat meat if it's offered to idols. Another one verse said man is allowed to eat meat but the blood is to be burried in soil.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
17 Dec 12
And there are many more that bears literal passages right? Leviticus 11, the whole chapter is just mere declaration. It doesn't even look like a story, that needs deeper understanding.
@merry88 (25)
• Nigeria
17 Dec 12
Most of the laws that were given to the Isrealites are no longer relevant. Jesus Christ Instituted a new form of worship that does not require us to work according to the Mosaic Law. Christians are no longer required to perform animal sacrifices, fasting and others. The new commandments are written down in the new testaments. The new commandments does not require us to forbid anything, rather it says that we must not eat blood nor take it in any form. There is a verse that says that as long as we pray before eating we are free to eat what we want.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
18 Dec 12
He did not institute the jewish dietary law upon or for gentiles. He told Noah that he could eat any meat, that was his covenant with the gentiles. So that verse really does not apply here.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
18 Dec 12
Think on this; there are laws of Temple worship and sacrifical laws as well, CHRIST fulfilled them. We no longer sacrifice animals as a way to obtain forgivness of sin. I think of the sacrifical laws in Leviticus as object lessons, a way to picture what Christ came to accomplish. Christ's kingdom now is a spiritual (of the heart and soul) one, not a physcial kingdom on earth as the Jews enjoyed. There is a difference between the two.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
18 Dec 12
Well, I doubt that Jesus Christ did anything to change what God the Father previously instituted. He even added I think. Also, please read Mark 5:17 that says - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." How does that sound?
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
18 Dec 12
Pork was not forbidden because it can make one ill from trichinosis. Animals, birds and fish were divided into Kosher or non-kosher groups. Fish had to have fins and scales...fish without scales are bottom feeders eating the effluent and rotted parts of other fish. Birds with nostrils that go through the beak instead of the face are carrion eaters and so are considered Tref themselves. Tref means "obscene or torn asunder". Animals must have cloven hoofs and chew their cud to be Kasher. The chewing of the cud makes them vegetarians not meat or carrion eaters, thus they do not eat Tref themselves. Pigs have cloven hooves, but they do not chew their cud...This makes them deceivers. It has nothing to do with trichinosis or fat content. It has to do with the Laws of the Creator. Call it a test if that helps you understand it better. We must obey the Lord even if we do not understand. The christ figure was a Jew and as such he followed the laws of Kashrut. He never said that he was here to change or obliterate the laws of the Creator...Instead he said the opposite. The laws were later changed out of hatred of the Jews. The new christians did not want to be compared to Jews or lumped in with them so the threw out the Creator's Laws.
@Danzylop (1120)
• Philippines
18 Dec 12
Thanks Adoniah! Considering it as a test and not just a great issue regarding diets is really the point there. God is really good because though it can be a test, He knew what pork is gonna bring to human being. Just imagine if we are all vegetarian, I do not think the diseases that we have today is as worst as it is.