Where are the Women Apostles???
By bird123
@bird123 (10658)
United States
January 5, 2013 1:17am CST
I have had people tell me that Christ was God. Is there any evidence contrary to that? If Christ were God, where are the women apostles?? Am I wrong or weren't all those apostles men?
Now,I know what some might say. At the time society used men in big decisions. Women were second class. If Christ were God, wouldn't he stand up for what was right regardless of how people felt about it?? If Christ were God, wouldn't he insist on women apostles in order to teach??
In all fairness half the apostles should have been women, however there isn't even one woman apostle. Hmmm? Interesting. Doesn't add up, does it??
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7 responses
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
5 Jan 13
Before you condemn, you need to find out what an apostle's job description is. The word translated "apostle" comes from the Greek "apostolos" which means "one who is sent out as a messenger."
Next, I think you need to consider the time in which Jesus was on earth, and many years after He returned to heaven. How safe was it for women to be sent into the world with such a radical message as was being presented by Jesus and His movement?
If you read about the account of Jesus' resurrection, you'll discover that it was the women who were the first ones to announce His resurrection, and they made that announcement at His instructions. That, to me, sounds like they were Jesus' first ones who were sent out as His messengers. Isn't that the definition of an apostle?

@bird123 (10658)
• United States
5 Jan 13
Wasn't safe for women to be out in the world?? Go with God and you are always safe. It seems you are pulling at straws trying to get something to fit to justify it all. Does the bible say these women were apostles??? Are you telling me the bible needs a rewrite for accuracy???
You can tap dance all you like. I didn't see any women eating at the last supper, did you???
One thing I know about God, God doesn't short change the lessons. God works on multiple levels with multiple views. Truth and all the answers are around us all. We might not be able to see them but they are there waiting to be discovered. The real God would never have made the mistake of having only male apostles. It would be sending a message that it's ok for women to be second class. God is never going to do that which includes telling women they should be submissive to anyone. Remember, God stands for Love, freedom. equality, and justice. How can you not see this?
@bird123 (10658)
• United States
6 Jan 13
So you are saying his wife was his apostle?? Seems like everyone is trying to correct the errors of the past. Neither Mary Magdalene nor Jesus mother were officially apostles. I realize that people today think more of women and want to give women their due.
I think you are right about Jesus not being celibate. When books are being written, much is always left out in favor of the writer and the picture the writer wants to paint.

@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
7 Jan 13
"If Christ were God, where are the women apostles??"
You’re getting desperate to the point of becoming ridiculous. What do apostles, whether men or women, have to do with Christ being God?

@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
9 Jan 13
No, there are no women who are named as apostles, but since you are using scripture to justify your argument, perhaps you can show me were Jesus being God is contingent on anyone being an apostle, man or woman. Show me the proof. You might also want to try to disprove the evidence I gave you from the book of John for Jesus being God, since you are using Biblical scripture.
Show me how God made a mistake by not having women apostles, then explain why women are still second class and any rising from that lowly position has been by their own determination.
Unlike you, I have done the honorable thing and answered your request for proof. What will you do?
@bird123 (10658)
• United States
8 Jan 13
It is not my intention to confuse you bestboy. Everyone's actions define who they are or are not. Christ's actions by not having an equal number of women as apostles at the last supper gives evidence to the fact that Christ is not God. God would never have slighted women in this way. Further,God would have shown equality in order to teach people what is right through our actions.
Bestboy, you must remember God is on multiple levels. You must look deeper than blind beliefs. There is always more we can discover. You wanted evidence. It stares you in the face. Can you see??
@bird123 (10658)
• United States
9 Jan 13
Bestboy, I know you are fighting to make those beliefs fit but where does it say apostle followed by any woman's name??? Show me the proof?? I can't seem to find it anywhere. In the name of justice, should we demand a rewrite??? If your holy book is the exact word of God as you have been telling me, answer this: How could God have made such a mistake?

@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
6 Jan 13
Our Mom should love us always even still inside their wombs, but does any one always love thy mother? . . . Of course not all or not so somebodies many nowadays. It must consider a rare luxury thing for every families presently now. And, also at the time of Jesus Christ.
Mary is the most perfect model for all Christians or among the children of God, men or women. The most obedient faithful humble child of God. The number one and most important apostle of Jesus Christ. Mary the most blessed womb among women. Who ultimate humbly knows what God's plans for humanity with a lot of pure pressure of divine sacrifice. Mary who took care Jesus for nine months inside her womb until Jesus born and grew up as like as with us human beings. In a very simple and humble way of life.
To take care, to give love, faithfully understand to obey what God's commands to Mary is a apostolic for Jesus Christ with great and full of abundance humility and gracefulness.
@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
6 Jan 13
additional more tidbit senior bird123.
Two traditional important female apostles of Jesus Christ.
1. Blessed Mother Mary of Jesus Christ aka Queen of the Apostles.
2. Mary Magdalene as Apostle of the Apostles.
info read links
... Novena Prayers to Mary, Queen of Apostles ... http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/prayers/Queennovena.html
... Rachel Held Evans - Women of the Passion ... http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/women-of-the-passion-mary-magdalene
... Mary Magdalene - wikipedia ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
5 Jan 13
Actually, if you read the Torah, you will find that, yes most women did women's work and stayed at home, but there were a number of exception. Jews were more progressive than the romans and egyptians in their treatment of women.
The catholic church finally admitted a few years ago that they made up the story of Mary Magdalene being a wh*re and being stoned for the crime. It is very likely that she was an apostle and that the gospel that she wrote is as authentic as the ones written by men and codified in the christian testament. But, the CHURCH is the entity that controlled women completely and taught that they had no place in a man's world...kind of like islam.
@bird123 (10658)
• United States
6 Jan 13
Yes, men have been controlling women for a long time. Even in the early days of the USA a woman could not own land. Eventually mankind and society will grow up beyond the need to suppress women. Yes, I'm afraid there is a ways to go.
People claim that everything in their holy books comes straight from God yet you have given examples where mankind was clearly involved. You have clearly demonstrated the need for people to THINK instead of blindly believing.
@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
7 Jan 13
Hi bird: That's an interesting question. I think Jesus was a revolutionary in his own way. You ask where are the women apostles? And I tell you, there are women in Jesus history. You see how Jesus first miracle took place thanks to the intervention of Virgin Mary, his mother. I see that Jesus address to women in equality as he addressed to men. Also Mary Magdalene played a main role on the story of Jesus. But you have to remember that the Bible was written by men of their age. later in story you can find how women has played a main role in Christianity. Of course you'll always find a religious leader that has a less open minded point of view on how he read the scriptures, but these are men's points of views. God doesn't discriminate.
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@bird123 (10658)
• United States
8 Jan 13
Very Good! God does not discriminate. So now with the facts in evidence, one must read holy books knowing mankind has their hand in it. There are good things in all holy books. One must filter out mankind's part or one can not get a true picture of God. Taking the stories literally can lead one away from the truth. One must be after truth and not stories. Of course, that is a choice each must make, however lessons will show you which is more important for those who do not already know.

@bird123 (10658)
• United States
5 Jan 13
Man has been trying to dominate women since the beginning of time, This is not God making your rules for you. You are following mankind. We are all Spiritual beings in our true natures. Gender is a parameter of our physical bodies. Without our physical bodies, gender means nothing. God, even though we refer to as He, has no gender. Why would you think God would place men over women? God would not. As mankind advances in knowledge,they are realizing this. Women today can handle just about any job a man can. Sure,men carry more physical strength but I have found intelligence can find ways around that.
Men love to control. God is above that. God wants us all the freedom to choose in any direction we desire. After all, each chooses the lessons they wish to learn through their own choices. God does not intimidate you and your choices. Mankind loves to intimidate and control. Mankind has lots to learn. There is much growing up needed.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
5 Jan 13
The wisdom of the fact that the Apostles men:
1. That requires goodwill message to call, and address the men and women, and interview people in secret and in public, and mobility in the earth , and the face of the rejecters and debate with them and adversarial to them, preparation and leadership of armies, and all this fits men without women.
2. Require stewardship message of the Prophet on the follow up, it is in his followers's boss, including the Governor and the judge, even if they are assigned to this woman: not done perfectly, but refuse folks of followers and obedience.
3. Masculinity full, so God made stewardship of men to women :
[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another "
4. Women undergone what disrupts are many of the jobs and tasks, such as menstruation, pregnancy, childbirth and postpartum, and accompany mental disorders and the aches and pains, except as required by newborn care, all of that objection from undertaking an prophecy .
waiting your reply to my question to comment about the first part .

@changjiangzhibin89 (17239)
• China
5 Jan 13
I have no say in religion.I think if Christ was God,he would insist on women apostles in order to teach.Far be it from him to regard men as superior to women.





