Stay at home Dads....

@ctryhnny (3460)
United States
February 19, 2013 10:34am CST
My son is a stay at home Dad because he lost his job of 9 years and couldn't find any work. His wife got pregnant and since she has a good job she was eligible for maternity leave. During that time my son was still looking for a job and getting nowhere. They decided that he would stay home because when she went back to work she made more money than he would even if he found something. He loves being home with their son but I've noticed that it seems he's lost all say in what happens in their family. I feel like he's had to give up some sense of pride and his wife takes advantage of that and treats him so much differently than before they had the baby. Most of you know I have a problem with his m/i/l and babysitting but he's told me he has no say in it and would have me babysit more since I live so much closer to them. I almost feel like he's becoming less than he was before the baby and I see the way she treats him more like a 'second class' citizen than the husband and father of the family. Do you think stay at home dads lose a little bit of themselves and their manlyhood? Should they be treated any differently than if he had a 'real' job? I think the job of taking care of a baby is one of the hardest jobs he could get. What do you think?
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@blackrusty (3519)
• Mexico
19 Feb 13
well as I see this your son deserves alot better then then what he is getting from the inlaw and he should make you proud I dont know of many men who would give up any chance to even find a job and support his family ansd know he is mr mom while his wife is at work I dont see a thing wrong with that as long as he and the wife are ok with it for now
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@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
20 Feb 13
I think they talked long and hard about this choice and since my son has always said he's going to be a better Dad than his was he's getting the chance to prove that...and he was right he is a better Dad than the one he had and I'm very proud of him.
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• Mexico
20 Feb 13
well that is good to hear and that he is making the strides to be a better father and that you say that he has made a better father to his child
@peavey (16936)
• United States
19 Feb 13
I don't think it's that way for every stay at home dad because I've known some who were still treated with respect and took an active part in family decisions and so on. I suspect it has more to do with your daughter in law. Maybe she feels emboldened because she is the breadwinner, but that doesn't give her the right to treat him differently than she did before. I do understand about the babysitting as I have the same problem. My son and his wife live across town and her folks live in a different state. Guess who sees the baby more often? Not me. Okay, I'll quit griping about that, but I do understand your concern over your son. It's hard to see things change for the worse and not be able to do anything about it.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
20 Feb 13
Even if the mother's parents see the baby more often, there is a limit, I would think. Daughters in law can be problems for sure!
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@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
20 Feb 13
When I complained to my daughter about not seeing the baby and living so close to them she told me that it's usually the Mothers parents who see and babysit the baby most often. Now you tell me you have the same thing so I guess she's right. His wife is a self professed biatch and she's proud of it.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
19 Feb 13
Taking care of children is a hard job and I believe that when the government and the last recession decided to lay off men and to hire women for less pay, that their intention was to feminize men. It worked, so now men are now considered second class citizens. You daughter-in-law is treating your son or rather emasculating him because he is looking after the baby and that is wrong. Maybe you could persuade your son to get on mylot. (Mind you I have been hinting at mine and they both have full time jobs, but then they do not live in the States.) Have a heart to heart talk with your daughter-in-law. Tell her that maybe she could take less hours and that your son could go to work part time, so both would take turns. I do not know if she would listen, but I fear her working all the time is making her feel that she is the boss, not her husband.
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@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
20 Feb 13
She is definately the boss and has been the whole 8 years they've been together. Their both almost proud to say she is a biatch! She wouldn't listen to anything I would say and tell me to mind my business.
• United States
19 Feb 13
And how is that any different than the way some men treat stay-at-home-moms? It isn't right, but the spouse who has a job outside of the home sometimes views the one staying at home as "not doing much of anything." It doesn't matter that the floors are scrubbed, the baby diapered and in clean clothing, bed made, dinner cooked and laundry done, there is still the view that the person at home has done "nothing" all day. Being a stay-at-home parent is a very difficult job if it is done correctly. Sure, there are lazy SAHMs and SAHDs who really do spend their time ignoring the kids and the housework in favor of playing a Facebook game or watching soap operas. However, there are also many who spend much of the day educating the child(ren), cleaning the house, doing laundry, cooking, taking care of dealing with repair people and handling the social obligations for the family. That truly is a full-time job.
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@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
20 Feb 13
My son does all of that including making sure his son is learning the things he needs to at this age. I think his next job is potty training and I don't envy him...that's a difficult job for mother or father.
@anuraa32 (2446)
• India
20 Feb 13
Well it all depends I think on the man. How he feels about himself. And the problem here was that the stay at home dad was not out of choice. It was that he lost his job and couldnt find a new job and so he was at home. Whereas she held on to her job - a good one with most probably a good pay and she seems to be in a good position. It makes a difference. It also depends on him. Why is he taking her crap, if he thinks it is so. He should never let go of his pride whatever the situation may be.
@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
22 Feb 13
I really don't think he sees the way his wife treats him. They have been together 9 years and married for 2. They both agree she's a biatch but my son says he love her so I'm happy that he's in love anyway.
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@anuraa32 (2446)
• India
23 Feb 13
Well I guess he just doesnt see her that way. But maybe what he can do is that he can get job, work for a months. This way the wife realizes actually how much work he did at home and the fact the she could do so much in her career because he stayed at home. He should continue working with them for a few months and then if he wants to be a stay at home dad, then he can leave on his own, that is he resigns (not fired) and then stays at home. This way he is not staying at home because of some compulsion, or that he is good for nothing but he is staying at home because he wants to and because he likes it. This does make a difference in the opinion other people have of the person concerned.
• United States
20 Feb 13
this is just my thoughts so please do not take personal, I have been that route before and I did work most all the time and the other stayed home because of the jobs. anyway I had more experience also. however that is the choice of the both partys..as long as they both agree and they each do their part it does not matter who works and helps out..you have to look at the girls parents maybe they think differant because it is their daughter and you think that way because it is your son. maybe they do not want the daughter to work?? back to the couple they are the ones that decide anyway what they want...regards just support them the best you can ..sometimes inlaws become outlaws in anothers eye point of view.. just be kind..accept what may and everything will work out..people do change and it is done mostly out of kindness and love..truth is it takes two people to live halfway right these days.. and have what they need...when 2 are working they can split everything ,bills etc. and getting away some...I was raised the man always needs to be working..however it is not that way sometimes because I know I worked . Any job is better than no job at all..sometimes we have to start small and work up.. have a great day and it is good you are concern for the family. I know a man that sold avon to help his family out some..he even mowed yards.. so like I said any job is better than none..
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@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
22 Feb 13
NO, I never take anything written on mylot personal because nobody really knows me! He does some dj'ing for extra money and he's even out shoveling snow and made over a hundred dollars last snow storm. We are expecting 2 more storms so I'm sure he will be out there.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
22 Feb 13
I admire him strongly for doing that, most men wouldn't entertain the idea, and see the job of chief breadwinner as their sole responsibility, and would see looking after a child as women's work, and some wouldn't even be cut out to do this. I have trained to look after children from 0-8 so I know just how much hard work and responsibility they are, at least I can give the children back at the end of the day, your son can't. The way he is treated I find hard to stomach, he should be appreciated for what he has sacrificed, not belittled or treated differently. I wish more men could be stay at home dads, and the stigma removed, we are after all in the 21st century and not still in Victorian Times, with victorian beliefs that women should be chained to the kitchen sink.
@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
26 Feb 13
I so agree with you...more men should give it a try but most men have such massive egos that they wouldn't even give it a try. I brought up my 3 kids on my own and am very aware of what a difficult job it is.
@dainy1313 (2370)
• Leon, Mexico
19 Feb 13
Hello dear Ctryhnny I hope that you are fine. I can imagine how worried you are for your son, because I think you never dreamt this future for your kid. When we have our kids in our arms, since the day they are born we dream with their full success in their adult life. We are used to see stay at home moms, but not dads. Most of us have the working dad figure. I think that for an instance it isn´t to worry too much about, but in the long term it would be the best for him to find a good work where he can feel proud and happy, or why not to set his own business as many men do? I´ll have him in my prayers. Blessings for you Ctryhnny and your family... dainy
@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
20 Feb 13
Well, he does some dj'ing on the side but not enough to make a living at. I don't know what he would actually start a business doing but that's a good thought...thanks.
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@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
5 Mar 13
I don't think so about it, friend. Because it's now normal for husband to be at home due to some reason. I am now stay at home dad and make a living online because I am also resigned with my jobs and due to competition and hard to find an offline jobs. I think about online as a remedy to make money...even if this is a good income. I think much be better than nothing...
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
26 Feb 13
I really don't think that men that choose to stay at home with their children while their wife goes to work loses anything with their manlihood in the grand scheme of things. What I'm saying is that my brother was a stay at home father for a long time with his oldest daughter because he had just finished college and was not able to find a job in his field so it made more sense for him to keep Lilliana at home and not pay for a babysitter. In fact, I think that the greatest thing that came from his staying at home with his daughter is that they have a much stronger bond than many children have with their father.
@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
26 Feb 13
Yes, there is a greater bond between father and child when he is a stay at home dad. It's obvious when you see the 3 of them together. My grandson prefers his Dad to his Mom but since he sees her so seldom it's not a surprise.
@kourdapya (924)
• Philippines
28 Feb 13
I think that depends of the acceptance of both the husband and the wife. If if's okay with the wife to reverse their roles, I see no problem with that. The husband must understand the wife's situation and the husband should do the same with his wife. Respect for each other should be there, because that was not an easy situation, and in your case, it was not their choice. Acceptance and support for each other is what they need in order to raise the family well.
@eagletrek2 (5499)
• Kingston, New York
19 Feb 13
Hi today is a differnt world.and everyone Is differmt.to.today there is more stay homedads With the way.the.job market is today. The benfit is.gettimg.closer to ypur kids What he may do to make money Is to look for something on line.
@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
20 Feb 13
I'm learning very fast that the world has changed drastically from my day. Your right it is good that my son is so close to his son and I'm happy for that.
@subhojit10 (7375)
• India
19 Feb 13
Thanks a ton for sharing this discussion. Well that is a great thing to hear about your son who is enjoying his time with his son and yes i do feel sad about him losing his job but i strongly feel that we are yet to reach a stage where people would accept home dads as normally we all feel that dads should be working and ladies should be at home. so i think he should not feel bad about this and should be patient till he gets a good job. What say?
@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
19 Feb 13
I think stay at home dads get a bad rap. He's working just as hard as his wife is if not harder. When Alex is ready for Kindergarten he will go back to work. I tell him it's not the amount of money he can make but the idea that he is at least working.
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@jdawg011 (498)
• Canada
19 Feb 13
You're completely right. Many women are treated poorly when they stay at home to care for their children as well. It's a shame really, since taking care of a child is one of the most important things in life, and one of the most difficult as well. Should she really treat him poorly when he is the one raising HER son? Seems silly, as that may make the son turn against her, as he would be closer to his father than to his mother. It seems like stay-at home positions aren't so respected, whether it is the father or mother. It is a form of discrimination just like any other form and it should be stopped, just as other forms of discrimination are being stopped.
@ctryhnny (3460)
• United States
20 Feb 13
I believe what your saying about it being a form of discrimination for stay at home dads. She's a very odd girl and not the choice I would have picked for my son to marry!
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
20 Feb 13
I think it is great for a guy to stay home with the kids. It is wrong for his wife to not treat him as an equal. I would have trouble with that one.
@cutepenguin (6431)
• Canada
21 Feb 13
I think this happens in a lot of families, and it's just a natural part of the adjustment period once one partner starts staying at home. I don't think it's about him losing his manhood, unless you think that men should always be the ones in charge - women lose some say when they are the ones to stay at home. My husband and I both work, and we have scheduled our work so that one of us is always home. So the division of household labour is fairly even. Even so, we still treat each other differently than we did before we had our son - obviously, we have to make some adjustments. We ask more of each other than we did before, because there is more work to do. It isn't about second class citizenship.
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
22 Feb 13
It isn't just stay-at-home dads that get treated that way. Stay-at-home moms get the same treatment, at least they did when I was rearing our children. I didn't feel that I was respected as an equal until our children were nearly grown, and I got a full time job.
@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
28 Feb 13
Well, my husband was a stay at home dad for quite a long time, too. And I worked for more than 10 years. But he never thought of himself as a second class citizen nor did I let him feel that way. I think it depends on the husband himself on how he sees things going on around their home. But if you think and see that your son has somewhat gave up on being the "MAN OF THE HOUSE", then maybe you could talk to him about it. We may never know what will happen in the future if he allows himself to be stuck in this kind of situation.
• India
28 Feb 13
I know how you feel when you see your son not getting the respect he deserves ,but this was bound to happen .Your son should continue to work even if it pays less ,even his wife can work and since you stay close by you can opt to take care of the kids during the day ,imagine what A happy family it would be all helping each other .
• India
26 Feb 13
I have seen those men that they sit at home they change and behave little diffrent from another men. and it is same for some lady too, some lady after taking all home expenses, rent responsibility and work out, change too.