Have you ever put your nose where you should not have ?

@topffer (37978)
France
February 26, 2013 10:41am CST
Last Sunday, I installed a new version of Tor in my Linux box. For those who don't know what it is, it is a software to surf anonymously on the Net. The Tor project received in 2010 the Free Software Foundation/GNU Award for Project of social benefit. If you ask me "social benefit for who ?" I can respond since today. I had problems with my browser settings to make Tor working and, when searching a solution online, I found an article giving a link to a directory hosted on the Tor network used for illegal activities. I know that curiosity killed the cat, but as I always thought that these sort of places were forged by journalists to sell their newspapers, I had a look today, and I was so astonished by what I found that I pinched myself. Here a few sites advertised in the "Business" directory : -- American Restart New USA identity creation service. Get your second life started with a completely new and clean identity. -- Citizenship through marriage. We arrange marriages for citizenship purposes. We have viable candidates. -- Best Forgeries and real Id Here you can buy forged money or real paperwork thanks to the great network ok moles -- Stolen Smartphone - Store Best stolen smartphone store -- PayPal Store selling cheap paypal-accounts with several limits. -- Drug's-R-Us [i]Cocaine, Cannabis, LSD, Meth, Oxycontin. Shipping included in prices. 7 to 14 business days to receive drugs. Hope to do business with you soon! :) [/i] -- Banker & Co. Professional Money Laundering Service -- Buttery Bootlegging Thief for hire -- Killer for hire. [i]Hitman services for hire. C'thulhu. If you have money and want to kill somebody, this is right place for you. 20000 for a hit. More information on site. [/i] Do you want to shiver : this link is rated 3 stars and a comment says "Good work". I closed this evil directory without opening any link, and I will probably never come back. I could not believe that crime could be so organized on the Internet. If you would like to do some shopping, don't ask me the address of this mall. All other comments are welcome.
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@dawnald (84076)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 Feb 13
Maybe it's a trap to catch thieves.
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@topffer (37978)
• France
26 Feb 13
The link list and all these sites are hidden in the network and highly anonymous, so everything is possible, including the fact that some of these sites can have a policeman for webmaster.
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@BarBaraPrz (23489)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
26 Feb 13
Yeah, you hear these stories of someone hiring a hitman on the internet, but said hitman turns out to be a cop and the hirer gets charged.
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• San Jose, California
15 Aug
I think that might work.If it sounds too good to be true,it probably is.
@savire (204)
• Indonesia
26 Feb 13
Well try "Deep Web" and you will found more astonishing sources of thing which should had not been covered by any normal regular websites. Since history started, thing like this always happen. History record dark ages where human stored such information in their deep dark convention somewhere. Where there is light there's always a shadow right? The thing is we should be careful of what we do in the net because privacy as we think it's not actually secured and none can guarantee them to be safe.
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@topffer (37978)
• France
26 Feb 13
I have an internet connection since 1995, and I have crossed some illegal websites, but it is the first time I find something like this, maybe because I have never been interested by the "dark side of the web". In 1995, I was using finger like a majority of people : the concerns about privacy began with spammers ca 1997. I use Tor occasionally since a few years to browse the web anonymously : "occasionally" is the right word, as I had not updated my version of Tor since 2009.
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@savire (204)
• Indonesia
26 Feb 13
Believe it or not the so called "Dark Force" always attracted more and more peoples especially newbies which tends to follow them unconditionally without knowing the after effects. Sad but that's what happen all the time. Well while I do care about how the TOR network try to make our access anonymity upgraded but you see that once government had their act they could still trace us back once they do their "back-side" deals done. You know what I mean :). But rather than worrying too much on that issue I prefer to produce more productive products which can be used by communities to help them better their life via this so called "internet"
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@topffer (37978)
• France
26 Feb 13
I let my piece of the "Dark Force" to your newbies : I am too old to spend the rest of my life in jail. There is no censorship on the internet here : I installed Tor first to surf when I was connected to a public wi-fi hotspot, and I realized later that it was not a secure solution, but it is still not bad to bypass a firewall to surf freely when you are not at home, and I don't think that any government cares about people doing this in their office. I am sure you made the right choice, savire.
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@inu1711 (5288)
• Romania
26 Feb 13
Hello Topffer, So you run away from that evil place but you let the door opened, huh? I closed this evil directory without opening any link, and I will probably never come back. So there is a chance you will return. I wonder what could interest you from that list.
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@topffer (37978)
• France
27 Feb 13
Hello Inu, I wrote "probably" because I wondered if I should remove Tor from my computer, and I decided to keep it, as I use this software when I travel, so, yes, the door is still opened somewhere. I browsed only 2 or 3 pages of this link list and I found nothing interesting, I even not had the curiosity to explore more directories : I am too old to start a career as a criminal.
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@inu1711 (5288)
• Romania
27 Feb 13
How could you know I don't have a post of my own already? I was curious if Topffer was interested in it or not. But it seems I could use his help more than he could use mine. You may never know when you need an expert in international criminal laws. Now, to be on topic, I put my nose where I shouldn't have once. There was a Romanian site that used to pay for writing articles (of course, once I joined, it stopped paying his writers ). I don't really know what I did that I ended on a page with all the personal details of the users. Email addresses, passwords, names and addresses. There were about 40 pages of users with all that information. Over 1600 people's identities were in my hands. What should I have done? I let you guess what I did.
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@topffer (37978)
• France
28 Feb 13
The suspense is good : you should write thrillers, inu. Now I am hoping that you will not tell me in Episode #2 that you have turned back without doing anything. This list was perfect to create your own writing site or magazine. Maybe have you missed the opportunity of a lifetime ?
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@thesids (22231)
• Bhubaneswar, India
27 Feb 13
i am getting curious... And should install tor on my aging desktop... maybe that will help it recover Why do you think that this is an evil directory? Science and Internet are supposed to be boons and it is only the humans who turn these boons as banes (on most counts)
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@topffer (37978)
• France
27 Feb 13
Hello thesids, Curiosity killed the cat, and I should better not have put my nose into this mall. I asked myself if I should remove this software from my computer, but I thought that it would be absurd to remove it just because some people are using it to do dirty traffics. Knowing the difference between boon and bane, I am sure you also know the difference between good and evil. If this not evil, I wonder what is evil for you ?
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@thesids (22231)
• Bhubaneswar, India
27 Feb 13
I agree dear, that these are evils.But I consider them as evils of a lesser extent - just because I do believe many who land up there, will not participate and move on to other pages, just like you did. But what about the other evils where you have no role to play but you have to suffer because someone else did do that evil? friends cheating on you and stabbing you in the back? Terrorists making RDX bombs and exploding them killing many? Criminals raping and throwing acids on others?
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@thesids (22231)
• Bhubaneswar, India
27 Feb 13
I think the perverts dont have the funds which can equate with any life and despite this they take so many lives
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@blackrusty (3526)
• Mexico
27 Feb 13
it takes all kinds and the world wide web is the next tool to get the things that you want to that you know you cant get by going to the corner store it is sad that people do things like this and they should be ashamed but we can not do much and yes be careful when surfing the net
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@topffer (37978)
• France
27 Feb 13
LOL, it is not the kind of things that I would like to buy : I am satisfied with the things that I can find on Ebay. What is irritating is that these people can open their illegal shops with complete impunity by a misuse of Tor which has been thought with freedom on mind, not crime.
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• Mexico
27 Feb 13
I hear you it is wrong that they can do this and that they can get away with it but i am sure the cyber police will figure it out some day and fix the isssues so that they cant hide
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@topffer (37978)
• France
27 Feb 13
For the moment, the best the police can do -- and I hope they do it -- is to open fake shops to catch some customers and make them feel insecure.
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@BarBaraPrz (23489)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
26 Feb 13
I always wondered where people get their bomb-making instructuons. I guess this would be the place.
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@topffer (37978)
• France
27 Feb 13
Why would you make it : I suppose you can even buy your preferred nuclear weapon in this modern version of the Court of Miracles.
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@BarBaraPrz (23489)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
27 Feb 13
Actually, I'm just interested in how fertiliser becomes bomb material, and why farmers' fields don't explode...
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@suni51 (3272)
• India
27 Feb 13
Hi Top- I am sure the list would not end here but goes on. They are finding innovative ways to hook people, I hope internet controlling authorities would take care of them.
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@topffer (37978)
• France
27 Feb 13
Hi suni, I believe that they are aware about that, but actually these criminals cannot be caught because their real location is hidden by the Tor network, which is used by thousands of people daily to surf anonymously. The storekeepers are using bitcoins for their transactions, and it guarantees also their anonymity. But it is so anonymous that some of these websites have perhaps been built by the police. Visitors can leave comments, and some sites in the list are marked "scam". I visited only 2 pages of the "business directory" for a total of 9, and I just give a little number of sites in the discussion.
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@much2say (35773)
• United States
27 Feb 13
Interesting directory! I don't doubt it exists . . . there are ways around everything - even if it is illegal! But boy, I think it'd be foolish to go through some of those links - you would be leaving a trace - and you'd get BUSTED for sure! In any case, yah, I'd turn the other way too . . . you don't want to get caught up in that!!
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@dainy1313 (2386)
• Leon, Mexico
26 Feb 13
Hi dear Topffer, I hope that you are fine. If you put your nose where you shouldn´t have you may have a broken nose I´m sure that if you go deeper on the web you may find many things you must not want to reach. You don´t have to sink to know you may die. I know you are worried about it because you are an intelligent and honest man, and you are worried because of this kind of evilness on the web. But as I say to my children, we know what evil people do but we must not follow their wrong way. The people who go astray lead astray (of course), what I mean is that everybody builds its future and I wouldn´t like to be at their shoes. If you sow evilness you´ll harvest evilnees. I think any sane people would not like a dark future. There is where strong values and effort must be made to fight against evil. Governments through education, social and echonomic programs, families through education with deep values, it will always be a fight against evil. Thanks you for your post. I already track my children´s inthernet activity, with online norton family tracker. And I´ll continue having care. Blessings Topffer... dainy
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@topffer (37978)
• France
26 Feb 13
I should not have gone there, and I have been too curious. I read about places like this on the internet, but I had still doubts about their existence. I know that all the web is not safe to surf, but places like this are making it dirty. Yes, evilness is not my cup of tea : I have always tried to follow the right way and to stay away of evil. It is probably because I had the luck to be born in a family where everybody was following a straight line ; you are right, Dainy, it is mainly a matter of education, and I understand that it is not easy for everybody. One can accidentally fall on evil things on the internet, and I think that all parents should follow your example and track the activity of their children. Blessings Dainy.
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@jennyze (7045)
• Indonesia
3 Mar 13
I guess it's a "social benefit for people who wants to do something illegal..." Well, I am not a high-tech person, so I don't suppose I will stumble on anything like it...
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@topffer (37978)
• France
3 Mar 13
It is what I thought when I found this link list, but I am sure it was not what the FSF had in mind when they gave an award to Tor. It is useful for privacy, but too much privacy is not always a social benefit.
@jennyze (7045)
• Indonesia
4 Mar 13
You are right, too much privacy is like... what are you hiding...?!
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@topffer (37978)
• France
4 Mar 13
I am hiding my data from eventual hackers : I use TOR alternatively with a VPN when I connect to the net through a public wi-fi hotspot. Used with SSL, it is secure enough to check my mailbox without taking the risk to have my password hacked by people sipping their coffee in the same place in front of their laptops.
@Aquitaine24 (4379)
• San Jose, California
15 Aug
Sounds like some of Trump's advisors,LOL
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@topffer (37978)
• France
15 Aug
Lol, who knows where are these people located ? It is a 5 years old discussion, how did you found it ?
@TheCatLady (4695)
• Israel
28 Feb 13
Looks fun. I am a good little girl, but love watching or looking at not so nice places. I love the shoe Cops. Folks get busted for being bad.
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@topffer (37978)
• France
1 Mar 13
Then you are curious like me. I am also like this in real life, and I am lucky to not have had any major trouble. But sometimes you know that you should not have been so curious. I had this feeling when I visited this new version of the Court of Miracles.
@Hatley (164266)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Feb 13
wow oh my G thats so unbelievable yet I had heard that there are sites like that but doesn't the internet officals police the WWW for just this kind of illegal stuff. Sad to think its all there in black and white to make crooks out of people.I dislike a certain apartment complex manager but I would not hire a hit-man even if I had that much money to kill him. I have often thought a few bad wishes against him but nothing to actually hurt him.Just some unpleasant things maybe to fall on him and make a stench or something like that.Or see him someplace running out of money and laugh at his plight..That would be good for what he did to us. lol loll
@topffer (37978)
• France
28 Feb 13
The problem is that the police cannot actually locate them, but they can open fake shops to catch some costumers, and I hope they do. The population of this planet would decrease quickly if people were hiring killers when they have words or problems with others. Fortunately nobody sound in mind would hire a hit-man, and people are looking like you for other ways to take their revenge.
@natliegleb (5182)
• India
27 Feb 13
that is totally ridiculous because not once but many a times more than one occasions i did and ended up getting ruffled and spooked up
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@topffer (37978)
• France
27 Feb 13
Have you some experience with these kind of hidden networks ?
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