Yet another example of bad socialized medicine. Brazil

@andy77e (5156)
United States
March 29, 2013 9:29pm CST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21963108 Recap: Dr Virginia Soares de Souza, and seven assistants... are being charged with murder in the deaths of SEVEN PATIENTS. But it doesn't end there. Apparently more than 20 more deaths are being investigated as suspicious. Further, additional 300 deaths are being reviewed since the deathcare doctor was in charge when they happened. "According to Reuters news agency, state prosecutors have released wiretaps which apparently show that her motive was to free up beds." Commentary.... "Free up beds". Once again, this is the natural result of a government run health care system. In a private pay-for-service system, you would never have a reason to kill the patient. The patient is the customer. If the hospital wants to get paid, then they have to keep the patient alive. Dead patients don't pay bills. But this idea of freeing up beds, is very common in socialized systems, because the government doesn't have unlimited resources. In England, Doctors proposed denying treatment to patients that were too old, or patients that were obese. Why? Because you have patients that are going to die anyway, and you have limited resources. If you have limited amounts of money for heart surgery, and you have two people, one that's 30, and another that is 80, which should get the heart surgery? The 30 year old of course. You could fix up the 80 year old, and they could still die the following week from old age. If you read the story of the first private clinic in Canada, the doctor who opened that clinic said his main reason for doing that was he got tired of telling patients they would have to wait 3 years to get treatment, because they didn't have beds available. This whole thing reminds me of a story in the US. There was a particular doctor that was just bad. He didn't intentionally kill people, he was just a horrible doctor. He was at a VA hospital, and killed dozens of patients over a few years. It turned out that this doctor had worked at two private hospitals prior. But in both of the private hospitals, he was fired, because too many patients died. Again, in private pay-for-service hospitals, patients are valued customers, and dead customers don't pay hospital bills. So after being fired by both hospitals, the doctor was black listed, and couldn't get a job. But in the government run VA hospital, where patients dying doesn't cost the hospital anything (because they are paid by tax payer money), and because VA hospital have a hard time filling doctor positions anyway, they not only hired this doctor after he was black listed, but they never would have even caught the guy. A nurse bravely, behind the back of the hospital administration, approached one of the widows of a deceased patient, and told her to get a lawyer and investigate it. If that nurse hadn't said anything, this doctor would have kept on killing patients. Conclusion: Again people.... this is how socialized medicine works. It's normal, and inherent to the system. When you say you want government funded health care, just remember this right here, is what you are asking for. A system that allows patient abuse, where patients are a problem, not a valued customer, where treatment is bad, lacking, and even deadly.
3 responses
@artemeis (4194)
• China
31 Mar 13
I understand that Brazil is one of the countries reckoned a higher rate of poverty which though as unforgivable as the acts of these medical caregivers is understandable just how abusive the entire system has become. I am sure all of us are thankful and appreciate that our countries poverty problems have not escalated to such a disproportion rates adding more problems to the system. On the other hand, abuses will still be prevalent when you have a certain portion of the population feels that it is alright to gain that unfair advantage. Equally, the lawmakers are themselves liable when they simply bring up sugar coated policies and only to abandon them without proper followups and enforcements. It is obvious that besides diagnosis of patients arriving into the hospital, screening for patients' welfare qualification is required. But, it is easier said than done when such screening is deemed unconstitutional or against individual rights. Making the job no easier for the lawmakers here. Sometimes, I feel that it is no easier or having it one's way when the law or government can be so contradictory. In a nutshell, nothing is ever easy for all.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
31 Mar 13
The problem is not poverty. Every country which has socialized medicine has this problem. Even inside the US, we have socialized hospitals and they have the same problems. The problem is socialism. It doesn't work. Also the problem is not law makers. I'm all for having good law makers, but even the best law makers in world, will never have a good system. Stalin was one of the least corrupt law makers in history. He didn't take money, he never profited from government programs. He lived by any measure a very modest life. But the fact is, his policies killed thousands of people, and starved the rest. Again, the problem is socialism. Socialism, government running the economy, never works, no matter what aspect of the economy it is running.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
30 Mar 13
Remember the former Gov of Colorado, a Democrat, once said that seniors have an obligation to die to make room for younger patients. The same applies to SS the older people have an obligation to die to preserve the system for the next generation.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
30 Mar 13
This is exactly right. Government has limited resources. You simply can't provide unlimited health care to everyone. There simply isn't the money for that. As a result, if old people kill themselves, more resources will be available for others who need it, and are younger and would gain more benefit from it.
@MoonGypsy (4606)
• United States
30 Mar 13
i never looked it at from this point of view. maybe that's why the u.s. still has the best health care system.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
30 Mar 13
It is exactly why. If you look at socialized health care in the US.... those health care organizations run, or paid for, by government, have the exact same problems that socialized health care has anywhere else in the world.