An Atheistic Bible Study Of Genesis - Chapter Four - Cain And Abel

Photo taken by me - Methodist Church - Bamber Bridge, Preston, Lancashire
Preston, England
July 29, 2017 12:00pm CST
Adam gets Eve pregnant. She gives birth to Cain, and proudly declares that God has given her a son (though Adam obviously had much more to do with it than God). Soon afterwards she has a second boy, Abel. Years later Cain starts tilling the land while Abel become a shepherd. Both brothers offer some of the product of their labours in a sacrifice to God. God is quite happy to accept Abel’s offering of lamb (or mutton), but he rejects the produce Cain offers, (be in corn, wheat, oats, etc. is unstated). He offers no explanation for hi rejection of Cain’s offering, nor are we told how the offering is made, how God chooses the sheep-meat, or how Cain know his offering has been rejected. God realizes that Cain looks unhappy about his offering being rejected, as Cain should do. God clearly knows what work Cain does and that it is obviously just as valid and important as Abel’s duties. God tell Cain that his failure is due to sin, but never explains to Cain just what he has done that is wrong. This is very ungrateful and malicious of God. Cain angrily draws his younger brother out into the fields and kills him, performing the first murder. His jealousy of Abel’s favour in God’s eyes seem to be the motive, but God being ungrateful for Cain’s sacrificial offerings does seem terribly mean. God asks Cain where Abel is, as if God would need to ask and even though God should have been able to prevent the crime along with every murder ever committed afterwards. Cain gives the rather smart and astute cynical lying retort that he doesn’t know where Abel is as he is not his brother’s keeper. Abel’s spilt blood cries out to God to tell of the murder from the ground where it was spilt. (shame that never happens on CSI). God is shocked and asks Cain what he has done to his brother, though he ought to know already. God curses Cain to never again successfully grow or feed from the crops of the Earth, and makes him a fugitive, to be hunted and chased by anyone who ever sees him, and no one will ever offer him shelter. He is doomed to roam the Earth forever as a vagabond. Cain panics at the enormity of his sentence and notes that anyone who sees him is going to kill him. God marks Cain with a curse-mark to warn us that anyone who kills him will suffer as Cain does but seven time worse (however being cursed to never eat, never be loved, always driven away and never die seven times over is worse or any different than just once. Cain is cast out of whatever land he was in, and goes to the land of Nod, somewhere near Eden. Despite the curse, he finds a wife, and they have a son called Enoch, and they build themselves a city called Enoch after the son. So, Cain is told he will never be able to go near other people but immediately gets a wife, son, and a city. Where has this wife come from given the only woman created was Eve? Have Cain and Abel had incestuous relations with their own mother? How have they produced enough offspring in their lifetime to populate an entire city? How has God’s curse on Cain proved so ineffectual. If God created other people, male and / or female independently of Adam & Eve, surely their descendants are not cursed by the original sin of Adam & Eve’s consumption of the forbidden fruit. A bunch of names of the descendants of Enoch (the son, not the city) are given over several verses. One son descended from Cain, a man called Lamech, tells both of his wives (Polygamy being acceptable to God at this time), that he has killed a young man, and laments that he must suffer as Cain did but seven and seventy fold (77 times) worse. As Cain never really suffered at all, 77 times nothing equals no punishment at all too. Adam and Eve have a third son, to replace Abel. They call him Seth. The chapter ends stating that men now started to call upon the name of God, indicating the beginning of prayer, without saying what was prayed for or if God answered any of these early prayers. This may mark the beginning of priest-hood and organized religion. Arthur Chappell
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
29 Jul 17
I have often wondered where all the other people came from! Either Adam and Eve had a bunch of kids who scattered and settled elsewhere--they would have to couple up then mix their kids somehow with their cousins--or they were not the only couple created. I think the Bible probably made a lot more sense before the Church began editing it and throwing out some things and adding others. Look how disjointed the first chapter is, how many unanswered questions there are. It's widely known that the Catholic church went through the Bible and changed a bunch of things so that it would be easier to promote their own message. The King James version is, I think, the last of the editing when they went through it and cut out everything that would offend King James and kept stuff that would please him. I'm not an atheist but I do question a lot of things in the Bible because of the editing.
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• Preston, England
29 Jul 17
@dragon54u It is healthy to question and evaluate the evidence
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
29 Jul 17
@arthurchappell Yes, that's why God gave us brains--so we'd use them!
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@1hopefulman (45111)
• Canada
1 Aug 17
The explanation for God rejecting Cain's sacrifice is stated in these verses: Genesis 4:7 King James Version 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. 1 John 3:12 King James Version 12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
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@1hopefulman (45111)
• Canada
1 Aug 17
@arthurchappell Maybe so? My conclusion when I look at the account of Cain and Abel is that good thoughts and positive feelings lead to good deeds and dad thoughts and negative feelings lead to bad deeds. We cannot hate our brother and love God. I wish you well!
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• Preston, England
1 Aug 17
@1hopefulman how can a bushell of corn or wheat be an evil offering?
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• Preston, England
1 Aug 17
@1hopefulman Without giving us specifics on what Cain did wrong prior to the murder he puts us all at risk of the same offence - the Bible is too full of questions and doubts like this
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@RasmaSandra (97954)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
29 Jul 17
I agree that there are many many different versions and no explanations whatsoever. Many things I also question yet I still believe because of certain things I have seen and gone through where I really believe the Lord helped me. However this does not mean I tell everyone they must believe it is something very personal but I do see your point of view.
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@Poppylicious (11134)
• United Kingdom
30 Jul 17
Cain was sent from Eden - the Lord's Land - to Nod - which was everywhere else. Being from a different 'tribe' could mean that he may be killed for being a foreigner. His punishment was the banishment from Eden and his family into the unknown. Which rather begs the question, if God created Eden and everything in it, who created Nod and everything there? ;)
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• Preston, England
1 Aug 17
@Poppylicious they were all banished from Eden, as Adam & Eve settled somewhere near to it, possibly hoping to get back in one day. Eden was just one place on Earth, somewhere near Turkey as the Euphrates and Tigris ran through it. Nod is just some other land nearby where the exiles settled.
@teamfreak16 (43579)
• Denver, Colorado
29 Jul 17
Yeah, where, exactly, did this woman come from? It all just sounds very iffy to me.
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