Brexit is back!
By Winterishere
@thedevilinme (5216)
Northampton, England
September 5, 2019 4:40am CST
The government are back in parliament and so is Brexit! Its been another extraordinary week under our new Conservative Prime Minster. Boris has lost his first three votes in the House on his Prime Ministership, a new record. He has sacked 21 of his MP's in his first week,a new record, and he has called for a general election without a majority, which the opposition has so far declined. The Parliament voted to block No Deal, which reads as leaving the EU without a deal. No Deal was Boris Johnson's biggest negotiating chip with Europe. He now has to go to Europe to ask for ANOTHER Extension, the only way to block No Deal.
So the law for blocking 'No Deal' is going to be ratified and so a general election should happen after the 31st October deadline as PM Boris has lost the confidence of Parliament . Labor - the main opposition - are not flying in the polls and dont want to pick a Remain or Leave position in the election for a fear of losing seats. If they back Remain they will lose working class seats up north, if they back Leave they will lose Labor seats down south. Its tricky. I guess they will again go on the wishy-washy ambiguous line on Brexit to not commit either way and another hung parliament will be delivered and no further down the road yet again.
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@topffer (42155)
• France
5 Sep 19
Deal or no-deal is just about deciding if you will become an EU or an US satellite ; the time when UK was able to stay alone is behind. As a convinced European I used to defend a deal, but with all the BS and hate comments I read from your proud nationalists in the Daily Express now, I think that the best is a no-deal now for the sake of both UK and EU. I believe that it is also an idea progressing inside the EU : a fund was created a few days ago to counter-balance the effects of a no-deal in Ireland. We paid for 10 millions Greek, helping 5 millions Irish is not a problem for 430 millions other Europeans, and their economy is healthy...
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@topffer (42155)
• France
5 Sep 19
@crossbones27 Yes, Russia is sponsoring all the far-right nationalist parties in Europe in order to make the EU explode, like USA once upon a time drove the prices of oil down to make the USSR explode. The French far-right admitted to get a part of its money from Russian banks, UKIP is more shy and denies it. But if it worked only in the UK, there was something else than Russian funds behind. And like you I will accept whatever they decide, the only thing that would bug me would be if they were revoking art 50 and stay, as they would continue their "I am special, I don't want that" behavior and would block EU again.
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@topffer (42155)
• France
5 Sep 19
@crossbones27 No, it is all about EU rules : 1 country can block any decision from inside, and blackmail the others. UK played too often at this game. You can read in this discussion "No Deal was Boris Johnson's biggest negotiating chip with Europe." It is typical British poker game : threatening/blocking to obtain something. It is toxic, period. Among the 21 politicians he sacked there were honorable honest politicians like a previous chancellor or the grandson of Churchill. The conservative party is becoming a far-right nationalist party.
Obama was very trusted here, the trust given by Europeans to Trump is under the trust given to Putin. Believe me we don't like Putin, but it is easier to sit and discuss with him than with Trump.
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@crossbones27 (52905)
• Mojave, California
5 Sep 19
@topffer That's a bit more concerning, Sounds like Putin played you here, went with what you love. May hate it but outsiders perspective is important just to keep you on toes. No one saying stupid but Putin is crafty as they come. Say it all day our real President because Trump to dumb realize he being played.
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@crossbones27 (52905)
• Mojave, California
5 Sep 19
I think the people did not want this or if did, they did not have enough info because as usual they were playing games. I think something else at play here and people done with it. You lied to them and they want their country back but they also realize the damage is done. Am I off, do you really want out this bad to hate your brothers and sisters that bad, I would be like Dublin Dahi my brother, why are you guys doing this? Money is nothing, you guys have more ancestor than even the middle east because middle east hates one an other. Yet your brothers and sisters just a dollar sign. Stop listening to Putin Boris Johnson and Donald Trump. They sell outs all of them that care nothing about a country.
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@topffer (42155)
• France
5 Sep 19
Speaking of the Russian plot theory, I am not sure that the EU did not jumped in the wagon. It is weird that they discovered only after the referendum that UKIP used money coming from the EU for its campaign. UK has been a thorn on the feet for the EU since the 80's, and was blocking many important decisions or accepting them only for a piece of cake or an opt-out supposed to give them an advantage. Soon or later they would have been asked to accept all the EU pack or to leave. This Brexit referendum was an excellent opportunity to get rid of them and their cherry-picking behavior.
Oh, well, like Clémenceau said, England is just an old French colony that turned wrong
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@topffer (42155)
• France
5 Sep 19
@crossbones27 De Gaulle always refused to let the UK enter in the EU, and he was obviously right like often. UK is an ally for France since the end of the 19th C, it will not change, but the way they were in the EU was toxic. You cannot maintain a foot in and the other out. I am not anti-UK, a part of my family is English and I spent many more holidays in England than anywhere else.
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@crossbones27 (52905)
• Mojave, California
5 Sep 19
@topffer Thanks nice substance or else I do not know who to support.
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