Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), How the NON-MUSLIM Scholors have seen him
By Naseem00
@Naseem00 (1996)
Pakistan
November 30, 2006 7:20am CST
Today Many people cricize the Holy Prophet of Islam. I felt the need for this discussion to let the Non-Muslim world knwo how their ancestors viewed him. Anybody has some more sayings about this greatest reformer of the history may share it here. I request everybody to please be polite and post your views to the point.
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8 responses
@AskAlly (3625)
• Canada
4 Apr 07
WHO CARES! LOOK AT WHAT is happening. No wonder there are wars. Look at the big picture! There are mothers that are not able to tuck their children in at night with the peace of mind that they will still be safe by morning. Good Grief y'all. What is up with any religion anyway? I though the basis of most religions was love. OR am I looking in the wrong parts of the Bible and Quoran? Well Duh, forgive me!
Stop the bickering and try to be respectful and get along. You can't assign the stigma of a religion to me because I do not believe in organized religion of any sort.
This entire post makes me believe that I have been one of the most naive mothers on the face of the earth. Have I wasted my time and my breath teaching my 5 sons tolerance and respect? It certainly seems so. How sad!
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
9 Apr 07
Yes Askally there are squillions of mothers that have been naive.
@Naseem00 (1996)
• Pakistan
9 Apr 07
AskAly, thankyou for sharing your views here.
I want to assure you that you havent wastewd your time teaching your sons tolerance and respect.
Respect and tolerance is what prophet Muhammad has preached. Unfortunately his teachings have been misunderstood/forgotton by most of his followers and that is the reason you see wars and hate. The reason I started this thread is to remind the world what has been tought and practiced by Muhammad that has been neglected by the world. I also wanted to emphasise on how Muhammad was seen, qouted and respected by non-muslims through the world for centuries. This is something that we do not see very often today and I wanted to remind present day non-muslims of what their ancestors have thaught and said about this greatest reformer of the history.
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
10 Apr 07
He was - like all other men/women who stood out; a bit of a fraud.
He did say a lot of good things though. But if he is a misunderstood prophet, then that is the truth.
@Adrenochrome (1653)
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5 Mar 07
Although I live in England, I was rather fortunate to attend a Grammar school, and religious studies were compulsory for 5 years. Although, the school was operated by the Anglican (Church of England) faith, they emphasised comparative religion, and when discussing Mohammed, he was very much portrayed as similar to Jesus, in that he was abhorrent of the corruption that had become attached to religion in Mecca (just as Jesus chastised the Jewish King Herod, the leaders of his faith, Caiaphus, and the corruption of religion [the turning over of the money lenders tables]), and that he raised a religious army from the ordinary peoples of the Middle East, to remove these corrupt peoples. I was taught to hold Mohammed in high status, though not as a prophet, but as a very good and just man.
As such, I am appalled by the behaviour of my countries media and government, who seem to portray Islam as backward, and infringe on the everyday rights of Muslims, with such demands as the removal of veils, etc. There is no similar discussion on whether a Sikhs turban, or a Lubovic Jews hairstyle or clothing, or a Catholic nuns whimple prevent these people from integrating into our society. I hate this drip drip of anti-Islamic rhethoric that is plaguing my country, and have never experienced anything but politeness and respect from the PAkistani Islamic community here in Manchester, England. They have been a great asset to my city, as have the Chinese immigrants, and the Ukraineans, amongst others.
@Naseem00 (1996)
• Pakistan
7 Mar 07
I agree with and respect your saying that you do not believe in Muhammad to be a prophet. This is exactly why you ara a Christian and not a Muslim. But not seeing Muhammad as a prophet is entirely different than seeing and portraying him as an evil person. This attitude of certain non-muslims here on Mylot particularly and everywhere else in general has really caused much tension and unrest. Not seeing Muhammad as a prophet should not change tha fact he was if not the greatest than certainly one of the greatest men of all time.
Andrenochrome, I have for long heard Jesus preached love, respect, tolerance and harmony. But regretfully saying, I failed to see these qualities among most of his followers specially when it comes to Islam. I didn't start this thread in hope of getting people here telling me how evil Muhammad was. I thought people will at least respect the opinions given by their ancestors and will reconsider their stand and views about Muhammad which have been badly influenced by the media drive against him.
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
7 Mar 07
This has nothing to do with Christianity. This is a historical response, no one in this thread is talking using Bible or theological points from Christianity. They aren't speaking of religious aspects, simply of his historical standing, which is controversial because of things he did.
@Naseem00 (1996)
• Pakistan
8 Mar 07
What historical standings have you provided so far?
All your talk is based on some websites made by some jerks to fool people like you. I just wish you could come up with some sayings by some recognized historians which could be verified and cross-examined. In return I have presented with actual sayings from people of your own faith but you failed to even recognize them as they were not in accordance with your beliefs and mindset.
I want you to think for a while, if Muhammad was half or even one tenth as evil as he has been portrayed to you, just why would he be loved, respected and followed by billions of people from all over the world and for centuries?
Would I be wrong to think you, belonging to a democratic system and being so proud of it, could atleast show some respect to a man to whom such large number of people give respect.
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@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
28 Mar 07
I am not a muslim.
I am a scholar.
I think Mr. Mohammed - the Muslim prophet has been proven to be rather clever and a smart politician.
More than that he is not.
He will be defaced.
@Naseem00 (1996)
• Pakistan
28 Mar 07
your saying that you are an scholar does not impress me at all when you argue for the so called 'priceless Buddha' in Afghanistan.
Well, to the stupid followers of Muhammad (pbuh) that statue did not mean anything more than any other stone. Being worshipers of only one God, they could not tolerate that sign of paganism and demolished it. If your side of the 'wise' non-muslim world had some brains, they could have spoken to those stupids instead of threatning them and negotiated with them to find some way to relocate that piece of stone somewhere out of their reach and sight and then you might have felt better seeing and even worshiping it.
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
29 Mar 07
Here is a dictionary meaning of scholar.
schol·ar /'sk?l?r/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[skol-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a learned or erudite person, esp. one who has profound knowledge of a particular subject.
2. a student; pupil.
3. a student who has been awarded a scholarship.
Your being impressed or lack of it is non-material.
But your views on destruction of historical sculpture by uneducated Moslem Taleban reflects the intellectual poverty and bigotry that your relegion fosters in your ilk. That is why it is time this "peaceful" religion should be reformed.
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
28 Mar 07
He will be defaced - the same way that his stupid followers defaced priceless Buddhas in Afghanistan.
He will be defaced the same way that his followers destroyed other people's religions.
Muslims will perish in the wake of their own terrorism. And this false religion will fail. The evidence of failure is already clear.
@Naseem00 (1996)
• Pakistan
9 Feb 07
Yes ofcourse. And I really feel sorry for them. Thanks for your comments.
Actually this thread has been mistakenly posted twice. I request you to take part in the other thread with same title. THere I have posted few ayings by some leading non-muslims scholars about the glorious prophet of Islam.
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
22 Feb 07
Too prejudice? How about people just don't believe it? But that would be impossible wouldn't it? Wait, no.
Glorious prophet;
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
23 Feb 07
Ah yes, any criticism of Islam or Muhammad is "twisted", not indeed, factual. Must be, right?
Get over yourself. What's biased? At least I am unbiased enough to draw the man's picture...
@roccanskater (131)
• Malaysia
15 Mar 07
u guys are too emotional , no wonder we have wars all over the world , cuz what you have proved is what starts as a topic ends up as a war,
i see lots of ppl insulting our prophet Muhammed SAW, that offends me , and it would be very easy to insult ur figures too , but i don t , i bare respect for jesus , he is a prophet and no muslim is a muslim unless he believe so,
so i started thinkin to insult the pop. but then i said nah , that s not nice , i have never met the guy personaly, i can t insult somebody (although in more than an occasion he assumed negative things about islam)
i do not agree with him , but i can not insult him
- i was thinkin that americans are educated in terms of discussing topics, but mylot proved that wrong (i m not generalising) but it turns out the third world is as educated as any other country in the world, which is a good thing,
we are all in journey to learn not to insult , and arabs say"the morning sun erazes the night discussions"
to my fellow muslims, i know where you are comin from , and i appreciate your support and being jealous about islam and muslims , but i don t think replyin a negative word with a negative word and an insult with an insult is what we as muslims , and i m sure christiens too were tought
have a good day all, wassalam 3ala man ittaba3a lhouda
@Adrenochrome (1653)
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16 Mar 07
You are completely correct, and I apologise wholeheartedly, and without reserve, because I have been one of those who, not only allowed but, assisted in turning this wellmeant discussion into a 'slanging match', and I agree, with hindsight, that my behaviour has been inappropriate. I dislike the term 'Third World', but agree with your comments about the quality of education in many 'economically poorer' nations, and that this is historically based. The Greeks established the worlds first university in Alexandria, Egypt (the Musee), and, as I have said before in other discussions, I am very envious of the quality of education being supplied to the peoples of Pakistan and India (classed as 'developing countries', though seem very developed to me).
Thank you for pulling me up, regarding my inappropriate behaviour, and I hope I shall stick to more factual and less presonal debate in future. Where I find ignorance of such depth that it offends me, I shall ignore the comments, or retort with just details, cross-referenced and sourced. Thank you for your balanced comments, and input on this sensitive subject.
@roccanskater (131)
• Malaysia
16 Mar 07
i m glad i was of help ,and appreciate your understanding,
with people like you the world is goin to be a better place to live in , for every single person
@pioneergladiator1 (1088)
• Pakistan
27 Jan 07
Aoa,
jazak Allah khair brother may Allah reward u for each and every word u write!
Gud topic
