Why don't Jews and christians believe their own scriptures???
December 20, 2006 1:11am CST
Muhammad (PBUH) is prophesised in several places in the bible, both in new testament and in old testament, if Jews and Christians believe their scriptures then why don't they believe in Muhammad (PBUH) ???? This is my question to both Jews and Christians.
3 Apr 07
I don't think this discussion is going to bring any fruits. every body seems so hostile and prejudiced here. i have seen meanest show of moral values. every body is just so tightly clutching his/her belief that they have forgotten that every religion is respectable and even if we debate, we should care for values. wehter it was Moses, Jesus or Muhammad, everyone taught patience and respect for others. why we can't discuss it peacefully and with respect?
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3 Jan 07
9. MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE TAURAH, ZABOOR, INJEEL AND QUR’AN Four revelations of Allah (swt) are mentioned by name in the Qur’an: the Taurah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur’an. Taurah, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Moosa (a. s.) i.e. Moses (pbuh). Zaboor, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Dawood (a.s.) i.e. David (pbuh). Injeel, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Isa (A.S.) ie. Jesus (pbuh). ‘Al-Qur’an’, the last and final Wahi i.e. revelation given to the last and final Messenger Muhammad (pbuh). It is an article of faith for every Muslim to believe in all the Prophets of God and all revelations of God. However, the present day Bible has the first five books of the Old Testament attributed to Moses and the Psalms attributed to David. Moreover the New Testament or the four Gospels of the New Testament are not the Taurah, the Zaboor or the Injeel, which the Qur’an refers to. These books of the present day Bible may partly contain the word of God but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets. The Qur’an presents all the different prophets of Allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: Almighty God, Allah. This is why the Qur’an says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the prophets, but of the followers of these prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures. The Qur’an cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of Moses, Jesus and the other prophets. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people. Another name for the Qur’an is the ‘The Furqan’ which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the Qur’an that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of God. 10. SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QUR’AN AND BIBLE If you glance through the Bible and the Qur’an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of ‘chalk and cheese’ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth. 1. Creation of the Universe in Six Days As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, ‘Ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time. When the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each. 2. Sun Created After the Day The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur’an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible. 3. Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system. 4. Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible? If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur’an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur’an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts. 5. The Sun and the Moon both Emit light According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night". Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur’anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur’an is to think of something impossible. 11. ADAM (PBUH), THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago: 1. 1948 years between Adam (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh) 2. Approximately 1800 years between Abraham (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) 3. 2000 years from Jesus (pbuh) till today These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old. There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible. The Qur’an too speaks about Adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the Bible - what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science. 12. NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C. This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qur’anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qur’an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qur’an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qur’an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah. It is illogical to assume that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Qur’an. 13. MOSES (PBUH) AND PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur’an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur’an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92: "This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" [Al-Qur’an 10:92] Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research
6 Apr 07
I know that was a lot to read and you are not used to reading lengthy posts, so I have picked some verses for you, in case you would like to have a closer look; arsalankhan says ".... 4. prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16: "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem." In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament: Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6: "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' " All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians."
28 Jan 07
Brother Arsalan, I am happy to how you have responded in such lengthy detail. I also would like to respond to this discussion. I would like to add towards the fact that the Gospel of Barnabas is the living proof that Muhammad was prophesized. The Christian church in the 3rd century deliberately chose several gospels or other gospels which existed at the time, and they chose not to include Gospel of Barnabas into the Bible for some reason. I would recommend people to read the Gospel of Barnabas, it is not quite big, and Muhammad is mentioned by name in the Gospel. Another interesting fact that I would later like to share with you is that the Holy Spirit is not a spirit, but it is Muhammad PBUH. I will share that response with you when time permits me. Thanks.
9 Apr 07
That is what a I call desperate move. efuting your own scriptures because it says something that you do not like. The argument we get here is, Gospel of Barnabas dates back to the 3rd century so it is definately written much later after Jesus. Why do not we apply the same standard on Luke which was written 500+ years after Jesus. And even if the Gospel of Barnabas was written 300 years after Jesus, prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was not even around at that time, he was still 300+ years to come. How could this be explained. I suggest you guys stop living in illusions and start accepting the truth with open minds.
13 Mar 07
muhammad (pbuh) wasn't even a jew or an israelite for that matter... you're deliberately ignoring one of the criteria of prophethood -- he must come from among moses' brethren, his own people... unless of course you will believe moses was an arab or you will concede that muhammad was a jew (which is an impossibility because the qur'an views the jews as the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs..) ... more importantly, moses came in the name of the Great I AM (hebrew: ehyeh-asher-ehyeh, embodied in the tetragrammaton YHVH - yod, he, vav, he - which is also used to form the phrase, "hayah, hoveh, yi'yeh" which means "He was, He is, He will be"); on the other hand, muhammad (pbuh) came in the name of allah, an unknown god and foreign to the israelites....
13 Mar 07
even if you claim muhammad to be the descendant of abraham by claiming that arabs are the sons if ishmael and thus brother to the jews, he is still not qualified to the prophethood simply because ishmael wasn't the "child of promise". it was isaac and thus isaac's descendant jacob (whose name was changed by God to israel, the people were moses belong)....
28 Jan 07
Muhammad or Mohammed is never prophesied in the Holy Bible - New and Old Testaments. It is the Lord Jesus who is prophesied to come out like Moses. Muhammad or Mohammed is not a Jew. Jews come from the tribe of Judah, one of the sons of Jacob or Israel, the tribe where the Lord Jesus Christ came. The Lord Jesus Christ is the 64th generation. The Holy Bible proves that it is the Lord who was prophesied.
28 Jan 07
Hello there, since you have mentioned the word generation, I remembered a family tree that I saw on the Internet. I would be happy to share the link to the image: http://sugar_d_lah.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/salasilah.jpg All the names are Arabic names of the Prophets but they are written in English. I think that gives us the clear picture that Arabs and Jews are cousins, and even Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad are close relatives.
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6 Apr 07
Mohammed is NOT a jewish prophet. Jews don't believe in him. He is not found in the Bible and he was "created" by muslims thousands of years after the origins of the Hebrew faith. Does that answer your question?