Children's Book banned for Gay Content. Right or Wrong?

@Melizzy (1381)
United States
December 25, 2006 8:13pm CST
Several school districts have banned the children's book, "And Tango Makes Three." It's a tru story about two male penguins at the Bronx Zoo who took in an orphaned baby penguin. The book makes a reference to the two male penguins being in love with each other. Would you mind that book being read to your children? Was banning the book the right thing to do?
29 responses
• United States
27 Dec 06
I don't think books should ever be banned, particularly in a case like this, where it's obvious that the issue is more about what a small group of people think than what is best for the child.
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@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Thanks! Glad to see there are still some levelheaded people in the world.
@pendragon (3350)
• United States
26 Dec 06
i don't believe in book banning and I don't believe in intolerance.This book sounds lovely and not dangerous to kids.Opressed adults should at least want more love, honesty and empathy for their children's hearts and minds.
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@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Yes, but theyonly want nice, conservative, heterosexual love, empathy and honesty for their kids. Sadly, they preach religion, but then they dishonor God by bastardizing religion in the name of intolerence. Jesus was a victim of intolerence. Funny how they forget that.
• United States
26 Dec 06
Oh, please. They're PENGUINS. What can they DO? Of course I wouldn't mind reading that book to my children. It's LOVE. There are so many different types of love out there, and children are young anyway, they wouldn't really understand. I think banning books is just stupid.
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@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Thank you! Just remember, it's a slippery slope once you start allowing this kind of thing! ;)
@kpfingaz (1027)
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
26 Dec 06
If they had to make an issue out of it then something is definitely wrong with the book. Why couldn't the author keep that theme out? If you had to ask then you are not sure and I must say that exposing children to that type of stuff at an early age will make them grow up thinking that it is normal. Homosexuality is not normal. Society today is making it seem as if nothing is wrong with it. The devil really is powerful. He has sneaked into the world and is taking souls at an alarming rate. To conclude I think it is wrong and that the book should rightfully be banned.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Exactly. I'm atheist and I have read parts of the Bible. I read it for educational value and to learn about other people's beliefs. I don't think the Bible should be banned even though it says a lot of things I don't believe in. It's still interesting and has value, whether or not I believe it.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
26 Dec 06
You can't keep "that theme" out, or it wouldn't be a true story anymore. That's just how it happened. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, it is normal. Not everyone should be forced to believe in the devil. I for one, do not. If you taught my children about the devil as an actual being and not a myth, I'd be pretty upset.
@amafrias (455)
• United States
26 Dec 06
I agree Pigglies, 100%. "Theme"?? "thinking that it is normal" ? You absolutely have your right to your beliefs,and so does everyone else. Should the Bible be banned? Why not? Is it not going against others beliefs. Some believe that your beliefs are not Normal. I believe in God, and I read the Bible, but would never, ever condemn anyone or any book for expressing other ways of life. Homosexuality is very normal, or our almighty God would not have made children born that way. And yes, they are born that way!! Just as you are born heterosexual. Or did you decide to be hetero? I don't think so.
@nancygibson (3736)
• France
26 Dec 06
Sounds very odd to me. I think its important that children learn that there is more than one form of love, and as long as there are no 'unsuitable graphic details' the broad concept of same gender love is actually an important idea to introduce children to. Its not the same as promoting it, just making sure they understand that it exists so that later on its easier to explain or answer any questions they may have as they grow up.
@lucsct (261)
• United States
26 Dec 06
I think banning books is one of the worst things society does these days. The book actually sounds adorable, and I would love to read it. I'm going to look it up! I wouldn't mind reading this to my kids (if I had any) at all. I'd rather teach them to care and be aware than to "shelter" them and teach them to be prejudiced and hateful.
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@remaster74 (4064)
• Greece
26 Dec 06
I think it was probably right. At the ages up to 12, no kid can really decide the nature they have. After the age of 12 they are able to have all this feelings and they are able to understand more and more the sayings of this book.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
28 Dec 06
I think kids at a young age understand the love of their families.
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
The only feeling this book discusses is the feeling of love and of being loved. There is one reference to two male penguins loving one another. Nothing more or less. And at the young age, you could brush it off should you choose to.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
28 Dec 06
No I would not as it is part of Life now and Children need to know about it To me that again is discrimination but I guess that is the world now
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Yep, discrimination prevails in this world. The book is harmless. I hope it wins every literary award they can give to a children's book.
@shooie (4984)
• United States
26 Dec 06
I feel the parents should be the ones that discuss gays and gar rights to their children not schools. Thing is they have taken God and pray and the flag salutes out of schools to so hey we that believed in those things have rights as well. They can put the book in the school library and if a kid wants to check it out on their own free will then so be it. Just like prayer and flag salutes and so on should be allowed and well if you don't want to do them don't. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Well, the book WAS in the library for kids to check out of their own free will! The book was banned by the schools and removed from the library. I don't mind having to sign a permission slip to check the book out. I think that is fair. And as long as their are tests in school, there will be prayer. And if parents want to teach their kids about gays and gay rights, this book would be a good way to open that discussion. And it was a true story. And one of the male penguins eventually took up with and mated with one of the female penguins, so there.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
26 Dec 06
I think schools need to address these issues as well, although, perhaps when they address it seriously, it would be more around middle school. Because elementary school kids don't even understand attraction yet. But telling them that two male penguins love each other will not confuse them. I bet at one point, any book about a single mom would have been viewed as horrible. But now, it's just another family type. So why not with gay families too? I know an elementary school aged girl who has two mommies. Why can't she read books about other similar families? And I'm sure biracial families were a big no-no in books at some point, but now it is not so. In our schools, you have the option of just standing and saying nothing at the flag salute. And we had prayer groups that any religion could start and voluntarily attend. If students didn't want to participate, they did not have to, because it was voluntary and not even during school hours, it was an hour before school started that these clubs would be out praying.
@Marie2473 (8512)
• Sweden
26 Dec 06
It is wrong for the school to ban a book just because of the lov ein it is same swex love. The kids should be allowed to form their own opinions about things and should be learned that not all are the same..
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Exactly! And yes, there are children who may be too young, but it's not like the book talks about the penguins screwing each other! It is a book about acceptance. And what about some adopted kids? Maybe they would feel discriminated against? It just shows that there are several different types of families out there! Love is Love!
@misskatonic (3723)
• United States
26 Dec 06
I read that and just couldn't believe it. It's a true story! It's about *penguins*! I've flipped through the book and it's very cute and very sweet and very innocent. It's just a cute little story that sends the message that all families are different. It focues more on the baby being an orphan than on the fact that two male penguins raise it. I really don't see what the big deal is. Actually, I do. The more well known it is that gay behavior occurs in nature, the weaker the argument 'it's not natural' is. And people don't want to lose the one non-religious argument they have against homosexuality.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
26 Dec 06
That must be it. Unless they want to say that the penguins choose this "lifestyle" or something. But with it being natural, those against homosexuality lose a lot of their argument. I think it sounds like a cute story, and a good idea to teach kids that there are all kinds of families.
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Yes, every animal I know has the capacity to choose their path in life. Geesh. Somepeople are just soignorant. But you are probably right in that they think even animals choose how they are.
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
26 Dec 06
We have to remember that some parents either don't want the schools to teach their kids about this kind of stuff or they don't want it taught at certain times in their lives. Parents should have the right to control that kind of information but it would be hard to do it if not on a person to person basis which is inefficient.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Yet those same parents are the ones who get all upset when other parents don't want their child taught about Christmas or saying God in the pledge of alligiance. I don't think the book was even required reading material? Just that it was banned from the school library?
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
No, it was not required reading material. It was just a book in the library that made ONE mention of the guys loving each other and that was something along the lines of: "They must really love each other." Even the mom who objected (she felt it raised a topic she was not ready to address w/her kid, which is fine) to the book, didn't want it banned, just moved to the non-fiction section since it was a true story.
@DavidReedy (2378)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Could I play devil's advocate here. Now, know for a fact that I have gay friends and family. But, we've got extremists on both sides of all issues and it makes it hard for most of us who are in the middle to be comfortable. Just as much as people have the right to be gay, and to not be persecuted for it, people also have the right to not accept that lifestyle. Argue against me if you want, but all your doing is saying that people who have a believe different than your own are not entitled to that belief. People who believe in conservatism, tradition, most major religious orthodoxies, do not want their children to be taught about homosexual behaviours, because it's their belief that it is wrong. Schools that banned those books, most likely did so under pressure from school boards who were pressured by politicians or voters. this is just the way the world works. Maybe homosexuality is okay, maybe it isn't. Point is, we have to respect all points of view, or we become just as fascist as those we are pointing our fingers at. Personally, I don't want, if I ever have any children, to have them be taught in the public school system. I would prefer to teach children on my own, what I feel is a good ethical system, knowing that I"m not perfect, and that my children will certainly, as is natural, rebel against my teachings. But, a parent who tries their best to raise their children with Love and self-discipline will do a better job instilling ethics than a society/Public school system more concerned with political correctness, than actual good values.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
26 Dec 06
I don't mind if people don't fully accept me (unless they're friends of course, I can't have friends that think I'm sinning... it just doesn't work for me). I just want to be able to get married, be treated as a regular citizen, walk down the street holding my girlfriend's hand and not fear a rock hurled at my head, etc. All I ask is tolerance from society. I tolerate different religious groups being here, some quite annoying, and they should be able to tolerate me kissing my girlfriend at a sporting event or whatever. I think it all depends on what values you want to instill in your kid. For me, the public school system was fine. I don't want my parent's values in any case. I prefer being an open minded person towards those different from myself.
@amafrias (455)
• United States
26 Dec 06
I agree with most of your answer, except that I do not think having books that reference gay families is taking away straight people's rights to not agree with it. Should they take all of the books about straight, Mom and Dad families out of the schools also, as this might go against someone's beliefs?
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
26 Dec 06
That's a good point, you don't have to agree with something to read about it. I've read a lot of religious books and I'm an atheist. It can still have some educational value at least teaching you something about other people (or in this case, just something about penguins).
@nlgough (38)
• Australia
27 Dec 06
What a complete crock. If I had kids I would approve of this being read to them in school.
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Great! I was afriad I'd post this and get nothing but people who totally agreed with banning this book!
@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
26 Dec 06
I wouldn't mind. There is nothing wrong with two males loving each other. To a child, they would not see is any different that one person loving another. Also, I am sure the book says they love each other, not that they are IN love with each other. In nature there are male penguins that are essentally gay. They have a loving relationship with each other and raise the baby. The mother is a surrogate for forming the egg and she hands it over to the male couple when she passes the egg. Parents need to calm down and allow there children to be exposed to different ideas.
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
27 Dec 06
It's the allowing them to be exposed part that most parents buck against. They try to shelter their kids and it often times backfires on them.
@vipul20044 (5794)
• India
26 Dec 06
Oh come on That isnt a gay content A father and a son's love is them being gay? This is totally ridiculous I reckon the critics got nothing to do so they are just banning such books!
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Actually, it is two male penguins raising an orphaned penguin. They were not brother's/father-son. But yes, it is totally ridiculous!
@imadriscoll (2228)
• United States
26 Dec 06
If you put your child in the public school system you have to know that the values of the society will be taught in that school. If you don't want your child to learn the values of this society then you have the option to send them to private schools or to home school them. You also have the right to remove your child from lessons that offend or go against that which you are teaching in the home. Depending on the age/maturity of the child you might decide to not enroll them in a school that teaches things contrary to your beliefs. Perhaps home school them until they are able to make decisions about books of this nature (or dealing with other things one might find contrary to their beliefs). Also how do we know that the story is true? How much time was spent with the penguins, is this one person's account or is their proof to back up the book?
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Your post points out exactly where we are--AMERICA. We have rights. The penguins were observed for over a year by the zoo keepers and the males even shared a nest; usually penguins pair up (male/female) and do their own thing in their own nest. This story was reported in papers and zoological journals the world over.
@sunshinecup (7871)
27 Dec 06
If I wrote a book about living with my mother and we love each other, would they ban that too? Unless it details them MAKING love, I don't see a problem. What, we shouldn't teach our children to love more than their families and them selves? I love my friend Lorra, yet I am a married woman, does that mean I'm bi? Good grief too many people with too many hang ups getting to make to many rules and standards. If we don't get these idiots out of power, we are NEVER going to get anywhere.
@pelya178 (693)
• United States
26 Dec 06
well if it has strong gay content then yea i wouldnt want my kids to learn about it that way. im not sure. but id like to teach em in my own way about homosexuality.
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
There is no strong "GAY" content. One line says that the male penguins must really love each other. That's it, nothing more. The book could be used as a learning tool by parents. The banning of any book is wrong. Things exist in this world and we must accept them.
@SageMother (2277)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Are you sure that it talks about hte penguins being IN love, or is it saying that they CARE about eachother. A school district shouldn't ban books. What a student reads is up to the partents while he is in elementary school. After that, a student should read what interests him, whther the parents approve or not, as long as the material isn't something that is illegal for the student to read before they are 18 or 21.
@Melizzy (1381)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Yes, it clearly states the love each other, not care for.