Why Indonesia is not Well Known?

@utsadetti (4589)
United States
December 27, 2006 4:05pm CST
Indonesia is one of the biggest countries in the world. But most people outside the country especially from USA, Canada and several east European do not know that Indonesian country exists. Compare with Singapore, a very tiny country, everybody in US knows about this small country. It is extremely contradictory. Why such small country is widely known? Why Indonesia, one of the biggest population and the most corruption country is forgetted and not even known by most foreigners??
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43 responses
@srenda (382)
• Brazil
27 Dec 06
I don't know about the rest of the world, but I know very well Indonesia, one of my great dreams is travel to Indonesia, and maybe live there for a long time. Indonesia is the 4° great population from world, the great part of population is from Islã, you are a great island area more than 20.000 islands ( the bigest arquipelag from the world ), one of the big nature area from world. You are very interesting, I like a lot of the islamism in your country, because for you, the religion isn't the cause of a war. You are the second generation of asian tigers ( indonesia, malaysia, tailand, and philipines ), great economy and industrial power. I don't know the people from Indonesia, but I think that you are very sweet, and beautifull, I really want travel to indonesia. Indonesia is great, I like a lot of indonesia. Have a nice day, and congratulations for live in this wonderfull place.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Great comment! how do you know a lot of thing about indonesia? u must be well educated person. nice to meet u here, buddy.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
28 Dec 06
what i want to say about well educated is 'just personal opinion from myself to the one who has a good view about indonesia'. A little bias? maybe yes. Sorry for that, buddy.
28 Dec 06
Indonesia is not only very beautiful, but also very diverse. I believe that most people who have not travelled very much tend to be familiar with large land masses (whereas Indonesia is a massive group of islands spread over a large area) and places that their education system tells them they have a common history with. There is also the inherrent racism in most white countries, where the establishment seems to think that only white people are cultured. I think these factors lead the average American, Canadian and European with little knowledge of Indonesia, which is probably why it is very popular with Australians, because they don't run into snobby Europeans, arrogant Americans or English football fans! Due to the spread of the islands, Indonesia has one of the most diverse cultures (with Islam, Buddhism & Hindi temples), and greatest ranges of cuisine. With the wonderful weather, it is truly a lovely part of the world to spend time, and hopefully it will conyinue to grow in peoples awareness.
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@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
wow, u know a lot about indonesia! amazing, buddy.
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3 Jan 07
I was lucky enough to pass through Indonesia when I travelled around Asia and Australasia in my twentys, and whilst I knew quite abit about some of the countries I visited, but little about Indonesia. That only meant that it was a wonderful surprise, when I discovered a real gem of a nation. I know that traditionally there has been trouble over the Timor area, but the rest of Indonesia was beautiful beyond my dreams. A true mix of modern and traditional, and the people were very warm and kind, not trying to take advantage of foreigners (as many countries do), and always willing ro help if they could. I hope to visit again.
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@cclay34 (486)
• United States
28 Dec 06
It isnt that we dont know about Indonesia, We all know about Indonesia. Thats the problem. Indonesia isnt realy a tourist friendly place when it comes to europeans or Americans. There is just to much trouble and turmoil.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
yeah, maybe you are right lol.
@cclay34 (486)
• United States
29 Dec 06
My wife is from the Philippines and while in the Philippines I wanted to visit Indonesia, however the Indonesian government makes it very difficult to enter Indonesia. They do not welcome American or European visitors like other Asian countries
@firdaus (685)
• Malaysia
3 Jan 07
who say that??? indonesia is well known ccountry,but not because of it technology... because of tsunami,politic,starvation................
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
3 Jan 07
yes it is. I know that it is well known from the disaster and corruption.
• Egypt
29 Dec 06
Who said that ?
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
who is who, buddy?
• Pakistan
28 Dec 06
all they need to do for getting fame jus make a plan for having bomblast towards white house afet tht indonesia become well know plan all over the world
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
interesting? u smart man.
@gigarange (1165)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Yes I heard Indonesia is a beautiful country. I have not visited there yet, but I saw some pictures and the place look so pretty and awesome place to live in. I guess, some countries even smaller than Indonesia is known because of promotion? or maybe by news, be it good or bad. But I heard of Indonesia long before and I sure wish to visit the place. Hopefully soon!
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
cool again, buddy!
• Pakistan
28 Dec 06
Why do you think Indonesia is not well known country? Surely, Indonesia is a great country to watch and to explore. It is not just Bali or Java. It offers a great deal of diversity, possibilities, and potentials. The first thing you need to know about Indonesia is that it is a huge and incredibly diverse nation. It is a land of contrasts. Beggars sit outside glitzy shopping malls, the population ranges from tribespeople who live in jungle longhouses to designer clad city dwellers with mobile phones. Hawker stalls sell food for a few pence down the road from upmarket restaurants offering fusion cuisine. Indonesia is a great destination for outdoors and wildlife enthusiasts. It’s got volcanoes, jungle, lakes, diving and a profusion of wildlife - orangutans, elephants, rhinos, and a variety of birds. The archipelago is made up of 9 main regions - Java, Bali, Sumatra, Nusa Tenggara, Sulawesi, Maluku, Irian Jaya, West Papua and Kalimantan. Of these, Bali, Java and Sumatra are the most touristed. Indonesia was a Dutch colony, gaining independence in 1945. The President is Megawati Sukanoputri, who was elected in 1999, but there will be presidential elections in July 2004. The former President Suharto resigned in 1998 following widespread riots. Corruption is still a problem, although recently real efforts are being made to stamp it out. Indonesia has a turbulent and interesting history. This is mainly because it has such a diversity of religions and cultures, which have not always co-existed peacefully. This also means a rich cultural heritage, with excellent arts and crafts. The main religion is Islam, but of a less strict form than in the middle East. Buddhism, Christianity and Hinduism are also found, as are ancient nature worshipping beliefs. The main language is Bahasa Indonesia.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
wow, great knowledge lol! how do you know so lot of things?
@lulylove (1561)
• Brazil
28 Dec 06
Periodical of Brazil - Periodical of Brazil
This does not happen here in Brazil. Therefore many times are shown a special one on Indonesia in periodicals of the television of Brazil. In these news articles they are said to many things surplus Indonesia, however this is not marked in the Mind of the people, therefore many do not have knowledge headquarters.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
yeah you are right lol.
• India
28 Dec 06
It has some special thinks in it
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
it's right lol.
@soumodeep (944)
• India
28 Dec 06
There are lots of uneducated people in USA and Canada who do not have any knowledge about world. THey think that USA and Canada are the only place where things happen. That's why. Don't worry Indonesia is known in other places. Why care about North America.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
u have different opinion, thanks buddy.
@boeyong (256)
• Malaysia
28 Dec 06
If you look at it in a broader perspective, you will realise why. Indonesia is an archipelago of thousands of islands but its main population centers are Java and Sumatra with lesser known islands like the Celebes and Kalimantan (south of Borneo). Problem is that Indonesians do not communicate in English (one of the many handicaps when it comes to interacting with countries that do, like Australia, the US, UK, etc). Also, due to goverrmental policies like the forced nationalization of foreign investments bring negative reports to such countries. Not to mention the bombings in Bali and the Muslim terrorism that Indonesia seem to embody. Of course the Indonesian government is trying to downplay such an unfair view of the otherwise gentle Indonesian populace that we encounter in Malaysia. True, we have some isolated untoward incidents from some very misguided Indonesians in Malaysia but otherwise, Indonesians are known to be friendly and hardworking. I think it would be in the best interest of the Indonesians to learn to interact in the English Language - the internet is the best avenue to start.. Their government should play a part - their current president is the best example of a man willing to adapt to modern policies and will serve to the best interests of his country. What Indonesia needs is a boost in promotions and marketing of its international image.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
yeah, i should be very thankful to you all for these broad ideas. we can be like that in the future.
@venshida (4837)
• United States
28 Dec 06
I did not know Indonesia existed until recently. Singapore, I think have a strong tourism environment so I guess that's why its more wildly know.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
yeah, that's right buddy.
@volschenkh (1043)
• South Africa
28 Dec 06
On what facts do you base your statement? Are you looking at number of USA tourists to your country? I dont think that you are asking a very factually correct questions. Maybe give us some facts that proves your point, and then we can dicsuss this if it is in fact true!
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
of course i don't have fact in number. but according to the news about tourist come in in 2001-2005, we show not a good progress in number. instead, more n more people come out visiting singapore n others.
@chiegv (112)
• Indonesia
28 Dec 06
yup, even Bali island is more popular than Indonesia it self, in fact, Bali is one of the province... so sad lol. By the way, i am Indonesian too.. live in Batam, wonder if you know this small island.. another fact, Singapore has the same size of island with Batam, but... hahah
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
right buddy.
@LeoLive (18)
• India
28 Dec 06
Its their loss my friend, that they dont know about a beautiful country called Indonesia. I love Indonesia and the friendly people there.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
thanks buddy.
@kaniam (582)
• India
28 Dec 06
1 To the Chief of the Supreme Court of the Republic of Indonesia: Regarding: Intel v. PT Panggung Electronic Industries, Supreme Court of the Republic of Indonesia Case number: 590PK/PDT/2001) The International Trademark Association (INTA) herewith respectfully submits this brief to the Indonesian Supreme Court in order to assist on issues of well-known mark registration and protection, one of the major issues in this conflict. INTA respectfully asks this honorable Supreme Court to consider the content of this brief when taking its position on this case. 1- Identity and Expertise of INTA INTA is a 124-year-old not-for-profit organization dedicated to the support and advancement of trademarks and related intellectual property concepts as essential elements of trade and commerce. INTA has over 4000 members in 145 countries. The association is global and crosses all industry lines, including manufacturers and retailers in industries ranging from aerospace to consumer goods. INTA currently has twentyseven (27) members in the Republic of Indonesia. Since 1916, INTA has acted in the capacity of advisor and has appeared as amicus curiae (“friend of the Court”) in several jurisdictions.1 INTA presents itself as a “friend of the Court” in this matter. 1 McDonald’s Corporation v. DAX Properties CC and JoBurgers Drive Inn Restaurants (PTY) Limited, Supreme Court of South Africa (Durban and Coast Local Division); Heublein Inc. v. Appeals Chamber of Rospatent, Moscow City Court, Russia; Glaxo Wellcome Limited v. Dowelhurst Limited and Swingward Limited, European Court of Justice; Ikea Inter-Systems Inc. v. Beijing Cinet co Ltd., Beijing High Court; and Libertel Groep B.V. v.Benelux Merkenbureau (The Netherlands); Playboy Enterprises Inc. v. Netscape Communications Corporation S.Ct. Case No 00-56648 and 2 INTA members are interested in the development of clear and consistent principles of trademark and unfair competition laws around the world. INTA has been an official nongovernmental observer to the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) since 1979, and actively participates in all WIPO trademark-related proposals. INTA has influenced WIPO trademark initiatives such as the Trademark Law Treaty and is active in other international arenas including the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation Forum (APEC), the Association of Southeast Asia Nations (ASEAN), the European Union and the World Trade Organization (WTO). INTA’s membership is varied and extensive and it is a balanced and reliable representative body. INTA’s international membership enables it to bring a global approach to the issues at stake. INTA herewith respectfully submits this brief in the hope that it may assist the Court by sharing the experience of this international group of trademark owners and practitioners. INTA believes that this case is significant to the development of international trademark law, particularly with regard to the issue of well-known trademark protection. INTA, therefore, respectfully requests this honorable Supreme Court to consider its comments and arguments below as an international expert. 2-INTA’s Expertise in Relation to Well-Known Marks Since the first WIPO meeting in November of 1995 that discussed the need to clarify, consolidate and supplement the existing international standards of the protection of wellknown marks under the Paris Convention and the Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS Agreement), INTA has played an important role in the development of the WIPO Model Provisions for the Protection of Well-Known Marks. INTA not only participated since 1995 in the deliberations of the WIPO Standing Committee on Trademarks but also provided WIPO with criteria to be considered when determining what constitutes a “well-known mark.” Thus, on September 18, 1996 INTA’s Board of Directors adopted a resolution endorsing: (1) protection of well-known marks, whether or not a mark is used or registered in a jurisdiction, if such mark has sufficient local reputation; and (2) a list of fame factors as criteria for establishing a “well-known” mark. INTA also recommended that the element of bad faith be an important consideration in conjunction with remedies concerning infringement of well-known marks. In September 1999, WIPO formally issued its Joint Recommendation Concerning the Provisions for the Protection of Well-known Marks (Exhibit A, annexed hereto.) This Playboy Enterprises Inc. v Excite Inc. S.Ct. Case No 00-56662 (USA); TrafFix Devices, Inc. v. Marketing Displays, Inc., S.Ct. Case No. 99-1571. 3 recommendation adopted by the WIPO General Assembly and the Assembly of the Paris Union was an attempt to provide a worldwide standard on how to implement the requirements under Article 6bis of the Paris Convention and Article 16 of the TRIPS Agreement. Given that the WIPO provisions were consistent with the INTA policy as set forth in the 1996 INTA Board Resolution mentioned above and provided specific direction to countries needing to improve protection for well-known marks, INTA’s Board of Directors adopted another resolution on well-known marks supporting the WIPO Provisions. INTA’s resolution endorses protection of well-known marks without requiring registration and/or actual use in the form of sales of goods and services bearing the mark in the jurisdiction in question if such mark has sufficient local reputation to be considered a well-known mark. 3-Summary of Procedural and General History of the Case The Intel Corporation is the owner of the trademark INTEL, which is registered in a number of countries throughout the world, including Indonesia. In 1984 Intel registered the mark INTEL in Indonesia in International Class 9. Panggung is a Surabaya based electronic consumer goods manufacturer. In 1986, Panggung proceeded to register in Indonesia the identical INTEL mark in Class 9 for similar goods. In January 1993, Intel filed to cancel Panggung’s registration and on September 16, 1993 the Central Jakarta District Court held in favor of Panggung on the following grounds: 1. The goods covered by the two marks were not similar; 2. Intel’s marks were not well known; 3. Intel was not entitled to “trademark monopoly,” i.e. the word INTEL is in the public domain and anyone should be free to use it. In September 1993, Intel appealed the decision to the Indonesian Supreme Court, which only rendered its decision in February 2000 by affirming the lower court’s decision and by ruling that the complaint was not timely filed. Intel has filed a motion for reconsideration with the Indonesian Supreme Court on the following grounds: 1. Errors of law: i.e., the Supreme Court failed to consider the issues involving bad faith and the well-known company name. Additionally, the Court made a mistake in assessing similarity of goods and promoting the concept of “trademark monopoly.” 4 2. Novum (New Evidence): i.e., new evidence is now being offered to prove that the INTEL mark is well known and that it was well known in Indonesia at the time it was registered. There is also new evidence being offered to prove that the defendant registered its mark in bad faith. The Intel motion for reconsideration is currently pending before the Supreme Court. 4- International Principles on Registered Trademarks: Exclusivity v. Monopoly The registration of a trademark gives the registered proprietor the exclusive right to use its trademark in relation to the goods or services for which it has been registered. This is different from the concept of “monopoly” as raised in the opinion of the District Court of Central Jakarta and endorsed by the Indonesian Supreme Court. While it is important in the appropriate context to preserve the right of society at large to use words or images in their primary descriptive sense, a distinction must be made between the concept of “monopoly” and the rightful claims of a trademark owner to exclusivity. In fact, exclusivity represents for trademark owners the valid right to exclude others from using their marks in a manner likely to deceive the public, which is entirely different from the concept of “monopoly” arising out of competition law. Thus, trademark exclusivity clearly benefits the public in promoting honest competition, whereas monopolistic practices rightly are sanctioned by competition law as impeding free competition. In addition, according to international principles, the exclusive right conferred by registration is not circumscribed by limitation of time under certain circumstances. The Paris Convention states in Article 6bis (2)(3) that: “(2) A period of at least five years from the date of registration shall be allowed for requesting the cancellation of such a mark. The countries of the Union may provide for a period within which the prohibition of use must be requested. (3) No time limit shall be fixed for requesting the cancellation or the prohibition of the use of marks registered or used in bad faith.” The WIPO’s recommendations state in Articles 4(5) and 4(6) that: “(5) [No Time Limit in Case of Registration or Use in Bad Faith] (a) Notwithstanding paragraph (3), a Member State may not prescribe any time limit for requesting the invalidation of the registration of a mark which is in conflict with a well-known mark if the conflicting mark was registered in bad faith. 5 (b) Notwithstanding paragraph (4), a Member State may not prescribe any time limit for requesting the prohibition of the use of a mark which is in conflict with a well-known mark if the conflicting mark was used in bad faith. (c) In determining bad faith for the purposes of this paragraph, the competent authority shall take into consideration whether the person who obtained the registration of or used the mark which is in conflict with a well-known mark had, at the time when the mark was u
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
what's this?
@serenetee (380)
• Singapore
28 Dec 06
I believe the world knows about Indonesia but unfortunately, what hit the news headlines in the past years are disasters such as tsunami in aceh and the haze and earthquake in sumatra. Even the hot spot for tourists, ie Bali, is not spared from bombings. These are hindering tourism. Morever, the economy of the country is very bad, leaving most men jobless and women seeking domestic jobs (housekeepers) in foreign countries. There's hardly any tourist attractions to boost tourism now, unlike decades ago whereby lake toba, bandung and jakarta (dunia fantasi?) were worth a visit. The more affluent Indonesians are also packing and leaving for greener pasture elsewhere, such as migrating to the US and amongst them, sad to say, are my Indonesian cousins.
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
28 Dec 06
yeah, you know a lot about indonesia buddy. I am jealous of your country. I's such a dreamland for me.
• India
28 Dec 06
hey wait a minute...who said indonesia is not well known?? almost everybody knows about indonesia,its such a great country to visit i hear.in fact im lookin foward to visit as and when i can.well i am from india and lot of indians travel to indonesia and i even hav a note of your country!anyways,lookin foward to visit your country.and 1 more thing...don ever have any inferiority complex friend..we all are global citizens 1st as humans ,,,arent we?? take care
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Really? i am wrong then. but we are poor though.
@diansinta (7549)
• Indonesia
28 Dec 06
yes, sometimes i think that bali more popular than Indonesia. .. gimana yah mas/mbak? ask to usan. european, or australian people.they knew bali but surabaya, huh? sulawesi, eh? oh iyah salam dari bali . dian
@utsadetti (4589)
• United States
29 Dec 06
right, buddy.