Are Americans setting their kids up for disaster?

@amafrias (455)
United States
December 27, 2006 9:57pm CST
By not making them mind, letting our kids rule the roost, buying them whatever they want? When I was a child I had a chore list a mile long, and it had better get done. If I did not say sir/maam to my elder I was in trouble. If I ever sassed one of my parents my life as I knew it would have been over. These days kids are unruly and out of control. The good kids are the minority.I see parents trying to talk their children into doing something they want them to do. In my family it was not an optional thing. If they said it, it got done. Period. Are we letting our kids down? Will they be prepared for life on their own? I don't think the majority will.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
28 Dec 06
Yep! That's the very reason why my kids have chores, chores = allowance, and allowance gets them what they want. Now if they don't do their chores they don't get an allowance. If there is somthing they are really really wanting, they have to have the money for it. We don't give them extra, so they have learned to save. Now I have heard so many times from friends with children, how unfair this is. Are they kidding me? Life is unfair if you make it that way. But giving them a chance to earn what they want, isn't unfair IMO. Handing out all their wishes is only setting them up for a hard fall once they reach adulthood! The first time they figure out you have to work for what you want, I bet they find some illness that prevents them from working and on to Disablity they go. I don't mean to sound rude and nothing against people on it, but too many abuse it and I'm sure this is part of the reason why, parents not teaching their kids how to be responsible.
28 Dec 06
Oh got one better for you, I KNOW personally KNOW a woman that is on disability because she has a fear of leaving her house!! Yep, it was so nice to run into her at Walmart a few weeks ago christmas shopping! It just KILLS me!
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@livewyre (2450)
29 Dec 06
Well of course you know that this is not limited to the US, the UK is arguably worse in some respects. Child identity has changed through the ages, in the 1930's and 40's, a child apparently suddenly became an adult with no real in-between stage. In the 50's and 60's the 'teenager' appeared as their identity grew through music and popular culture. In the modern age, children are important consumers, with the parents desire to meet the childs 'needs' fuelling our debt-ridden society. The emphasis has changed entirely and the focus is now on the developing child. Toddlers must have Reebok and Nike pram shoes!! What is going on? Parents have abdicated responsibility left right and centre, the child now dictates how the family income is to be spent. It makes sense for the economy to encourage this because a childs desires are endless and take no account of ability to pay...voila! Senseless debt, millions of dollars spent on fads, pointless games and bad food, thousands more employed in these industries, popping out kids and earning more money to spend on...you guessed it... Will they be prepared?? No chance, these kids will recognise abdicated responsibility as the norm and will look to the crumbling state to help them out...where will this end... No, let's not go there.. On a positive note, what is needed? emphasis on resposibility, outlawing of loans offered to folk who have no means to pay..any more ideas??
@amafrias (455)
• United States
29 Dec 06
I am so glad my daughter doesn't even know what Nike Prams are..lol I sent her and my oldest to a school that requires a uniform right down to the same shoes as everyone else. Her only voice in her daily attire was limited to the color of her belt. At first I was a little upset, until I realized the kids did not have the added stress of being cool, and wearing what everyone else was wearing. I have no clue what else to do, except to require anyone wanting to become a parent to take a darn course, and that's probably not very viable. I like what you suggested though. Especially about the loans. It's the children that were raised right that will be paying for the ones that were not.
@livewyre (2450)
29 Dec 06
You're right, the kids that are raised right are always paying for the ones that weren't. That's how it works now, in the UK, if you don't have prospects, the best thing to do is have kids (by anyone) to get money and housing - who pays? Not the parents...these are the kids who are causing the bulk of the trouble. Not that it's their fault at all - you could blame the 'Nanny' state - do you use that expression in the 'states (referring to a government who looks after people too much, deciding what they should do and when they should do it, almost (really badly) parenting them)
@mansha (6298)
• India
28 Dec 06
Not only american kids but I feel kids all over the world are different from what we were and funny thing is my mom also says that they were better than us. I think its an issue all the generations have. With each generation new values set in and the other genration feels that they are too rude and do not listen. I think thats needed for the times to continuously change. if young generation would not have defied the rules we would still be living in middle ages. I read an quote once: the old believe everything, the middle age suspect everrything and the young know everything.
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@amafrias (455)
• United States
28 Dec 06
So very, very true..lol
28 Dec 06
yeh same here thats what my gran says they better then us when she sees em on tele. but you see kids now a days who a spoilt brats and get what ever they want when they want. me i was bought up in a normal family with normal income. i had to work to get money of my mum do the dish's etc... now am older i know my responsibilities and know what am gonna be doing...
@medooley (1873)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Why are you singling out just Americans? Do you really think that this is just a problem with Americans? That being said... Trust me if you saw my kids I don't think that you would classify them as unruly or out of control and while they are only 4 and 2 years old, the 4 year old does have chores, granted they are just little things like, making his bed, feeding the dog and stuff like that. When they get older their chores will get more age appropriate. I think the biggest problem when it comes to parenting is that people want their kids to like them, and they want to be their friend. You need to be their parents first and then their friend.
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@amafrias (455)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Well, being that I am American, I decided to speak of that which I know more about. As for it being only Americans, I am quite aware that this is not the case. I also know that it is not all children and parents that are the case. I myself raise my children to be respectful, and to have chores they should do. I want them to be prepared for the real world. This was a discussion particularly about Americans and their children.
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Oh I know it's crazy with how some kids are. I know my niece, who I help raise, doesn't have it like I did but at the same time she knows her manners, she knows the value of money, etc. Personally part of the problem is DCF, or child services. So many people have gone crazy with it and many people are afraid that they might be called on them even if there is no bases for them being called. I know my sister ran into this problem when my niece was 3. My niece had made a mess and then started causing a fit when my sister told she had to help clean it up. She was being very loud and throwing a temper tantrum. My sister put her in her bedroom and shut the door telling her she couldn't come out until she'd calmed down. Now my niece started screaming louder and banging on the door. Our neighbors called the cops. My sister was surprised to see one at her door. The cop had to check that the bedroom door wasn't locked, that there was food in the fridge, that the place was reasonably clean before he wrote it off. However, since he was called out like that it stays on record until my niece is 18 in case they ever have to come out again. Also another problem is some of the advice that is given out. A few months ago I was reading a parenting magazine. The one article was talking about money and kids. How an allowance should be given, not earned. That if we want our kids to do more we need to negoiate with them on it. That we shouldn't give money for good grades earned, that kids should want to earn good grades just for the sake of it. Some of the articles I've seen do not help in raising kids in ways that will benefit them in life. Anyways I do agree it is a problem. I know when I was a kid if I did half of what I've seen some of these kids I'd still not be able to sit down. My niece has friends that I look at them and go what is going on. I hear how kids are mouthing off to teachers, using language that I didn't dare even utter till I was in college and I still don't say around my parents. Parents need to be able to be parents. They need to tell their kids no, to be able to punish them (punish not abuse), to set limits and have the child meet them.
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
29 Dec 06
Yeah we had something similar happen with my niece when she was in kidnergarten. The teacher had told them if your parents yell at you or hit you or anything else that makes you upset that they could call the cops. They didn't bother to explain what would happen. Nice huh? I agree though allowance is for doing certain things, whatever you decide on for your child. I thought that whole article was full of it and whowever wrote it didn't have kids. Most kids, except a handful, don't want good grades just for the sake of getting good grades. They do it for the praise they get at home (or to avoid punishment) or for the reward they get for them. It's not just for the heck of it. I know from experience you can't have too many rules. Thats almost as bad as having none. You have to know what is important, what lines can't be crossed, and deal with that. Pick your battles type thing.
@amafrias (455)
• United States
28 Dec 06
That makes me think once when my oldest was in Middle school she was sent to her room for being disrespecful, and she screamed at me that she was going to call Child services and tell them I was mistreating her. I wiped the smile off of my face as I slowly opened the door and handed her the phone. I quietly explained to her that she should get a few bare essentials together as it would be her leaving the house, and I wasn't sure how long it would take them to find her a foster home, but hopefully it would not be some crazy person. She just huffed and took her punishment never to mention that again. As far as giving an allowance that was not earned, ain't gonna happen in my house. And negotiating with them. What?? I don't think so. Now when my daughter was older and in High school we would discuss things she wanted to do, and the pros and cons of it, and come to a decision we could both live with as long as it was safe and within reason. I never had a problem out of her. She graduated top in her class, and is now in college. I agree we should not be controlled so much by fear of the state.
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• United States
28 Dec 06
My kids are well behaved and well mannered. Are they perfect, no not by any means. But I have always taught them manners and they have chores they have to do around the house. My children are disciplined if they talk to me in a disrepectful mannter. But I have seen other cases where the parents just let their kids do whatever they want. They are typically the ones that start trouble in school.
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@amafrias (455)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Yes, there was a bully on my childs bus. When I went to the school and they set up a meeting with the parent they were like I needed to make my daughter tougher and she should just suck it up. Oh no...that was not the right thing to say to me.
@Aali311 (6112)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Most people are setting their kids up for a down fall, I don't let my children do as they want, I'm very strict where behaviour is concerned, and if you met my kids you'd know. I get compliments when I take my three year old out, he's polite and kind to everyone and what I say goes. Most parents don't put the time into parenting, they take the easy way out and their kids walk all over them, I see it happening everyday and I will not let my kids do that to me.
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@amafrias (455)
• United States
28 Dec 06
Yeahhh...I totally agree. There was a post above that said something about parents trying to be their childrens friend, scared they might hate them. Well, I thought I hated my parents when I was growing up, thats normal. I love them now more than life. They did right by being strict on us.
@magikrose (5429)
• United States
29 Dec 06
I agree with you 100% Todays kids are spoiled brats who deserve a cold hard lesson in life. I am a mother of 4 and I will not tollerate my kids talking back and they know it. When they try I instantly send them to there beds for a time out and if they continue I start taking things away. My husband on the other hand is one to give in to stop them from wining or crying and that drives me nuts. When I am alone with my kids they behave for me, but once my husband comes home all he!! breaks loose. I love my husband and I know he means well but I keep trying to get him to understand that he cant let the kids manipulate him like that or else we are going to have problems when they are older and I am going to be put in the position of the bad guy because I believe in desclipining my children and he dosnt. You the problem is with Social Services today saying that we cant spank our kids when they are getting out of line. My mother spanked me and I turned out fine. I dont see what the problems is.
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@amafrias (455)
• United States
29 Dec 06
I think your hubby probably feels a little guilty for not being with them all of the time and having to work. He needs to understand that they are still going to love him. Children crave discipline believe it or not. Without it they feel unloved. My daddy spanked us too, and we are fine, and better parents for it.
@pendragon (3350)
• United States
28 Dec 06
What a very good way to put it, and yes, I believe they are.They are giving them the tools to deal with actual life.They are not going to get their way every time tey seek it, especially through the terroristic methods of screaming and tantrums!lol.The kids cannot manage their wants and needs and will never have the proper faculties for caring for themselves successfully.It's sad.
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@Celanith (2327)
• United States
28 Dec 06
it is the few not the many who do not have kids following rules and having chores. I think a lot of parents do have rules and chores. I know though there are kids who are brats, spoiled and thing the world owe's them. But around our house my grandkids know they better follow the rules and keep chores done. Or they will get what for.
@amafrias (455)
• United States
28 Dec 06
I would hope that it is the few and not the many, and in our social circles it is the few, but there are also social and economical levels that have the majority that are not being taught anything by their parents. The schools are raising them, and eventually juvenile hall, and prisons.
@lulylove (1560)
• Brazil
28 Dec 06
I think that today many parents do not stimulate good things to its children. I think that the tradition to take care of well of the children is dying together to the love and the good things that our grandmothers in taught them.
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@venshida (4836)
• United States
28 Dec 06
yes, they are setting their kids up for disaster. There are so many rude kids no manners. They have no respect. I see kids back talking to their parents. My mom would of knock the you know what out of me if I utter one word to her or any adults for that matter. Parents needs to start parenting. The ones who are acting out will not be prepared for life on their own because they wont be able to handle working when a supervisor have to lay down the rules.
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@amafrias (455)
• United States
28 Dec 06
I agree, it's just not like it use to be. When my Daddy said he was going to whip my butt, 9 times out of 10 he never had to, because that was all it took for me to listen
• United States
28 Dec 06
Oh ya, I'm very worried about my grandchildren's generation. I can't tell you how many parents I know like this that think love means giving them anything they want. I think they feel guilty for not spending time with them so the let them have their way and whatever they want. My son's girlfriend was raised like this. She is the most selfish person I have ever met. She won't get a job and waists all my son's hard earned money. When he gets home from work, she hands the kids over to him and he has to totally take care of them till they go to bed because she is is playing video games. Their relationship is doomed, no one could or would put up with her for very long. She thinks she can find a man that will take care of her lazy butt and the kids without complaint. lol
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@carolynpb (647)
• United States
29 Dec 06
I totally agree with everything you said. I was raised exactly the same way and I am respectful person. I am rtrying to raise my kids the same way. They will be prepared to go out into the world and do, say and act out any way that they want to. That's why the world is the way it is today. No disipline for our kids. It a world of "do whatever makes you feel good" no matter who it hurts or how wrong it is.
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
28 Dec 06
There is no doubt about it. Parents who allow the kids to rule the roost are setting them up for disaster. They want what they want and they want it now. That means bad debts Some of the are disrespectful. The parents don't realize that the people around them don't like their kids for the reasons you mentioned.
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@Spunkza (85)
• India
28 Dec 06
I think they do by giving them lots of junk foods
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@jatt187 (137)
• Canada
28 Dec 06
Americian kids are fat...The obvious answer to that question is television...hours and hours in front of the “boob tube,” but it’s not the only answer. During the past decade, a growing number of American children can be described as obese and there is escalating concern among parents and pediatricians about what this portends for these youngsters as they grow to adulthood. Many fear that the dramatic increase in the number of overweight children in this country constitutes a national health crisis.
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• United States
29 Dec 06
i tell you right now I dont let my kids do whatever they want. Me and my husband rule the roost. My kids at least my 5 and 6 year old have chores to do. I make my kids say yes sir and yes maam. I know my kids are only young right now but I will get only stricter when they get older!!!!!
• United States
29 Dec 06
I love my kids so much but I do not want them to run all over me. My kids are happy too.
• United States
28 Dec 06
Parents are to blame in 99.9% of a child's behavior. I know that if my child were to do something bad, I am resposible for their action.
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@lafavorito (2959)
• Philippines
29 Dec 06
It sounded like you've been brought up in a military house... We will not do this to my son, yes we give him everything he needs (food, warm home, clothes), he can buy any toy he wants but he can only buy 1 toy in a month if he's a good boy. We're teaching him to put away his toys inside the toy box, put his dirty laundry in the basket and give me his bowl when he's done eating. I strongly disagree in addressing parents as sir/ma'am, parents should give love to their children not have them grow in a military atmosphere, children who lives like this are sad kids. Let kids be kids, let them enjoy their childhood, them the right manners by setting an example.
@amafrias (455)
• United States
29 Dec 06
I was never a sad child and I most definately called my parents and elders maam/sir. That is just being respectful, not military like. Part of the problem with kids today is their parents feel guilt for being hard on them and teaching them the right way. That is our job. They did not ask to be born, and it is our responsibility to make sure they are prepared for everything in life. My children receive tons of love from me, and I receive it in return. My oldest daughter who is now 21 has thanked me a million times over for being so hard on her, and making her do the things she needed to do. She is a better person for it now, and sees the difference in her and other 21 year olds around her.She will be the one to graduate colege and go on to be successful. Not the one I have to bail out of jail.