Do we really have free will?

@speakeasy (4171)
United States
January 4, 2007 4:05pm CST
We hear all the time that mankind has free will and each person can make their own decisions and is responsible for those decisions. But there are also people who say that life is predestined by God (or some other omnipotent force) and that the result of our decisions were already known in advance. Some scientists believe that we don't really have free will because our environment, how we are raised, and genetics have already predetermined the result of our decisions. What do you think?
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@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
18 Jan 07
Free will! Yes, it is an amusing discussion. I love pink in all it's shades. Is it an original "free" like or does it have to do with all the pink things my mother, grandmother and aunts got me. Is it because of the positive associations with happy events in my childhood. Pavlov, the Russian scientist writes about conditioned reflex. Mice in a maze are rewarded with food when they turn left, and stung with a barb when they turn right. Then when the food is switched with the barb, the mice continue to turn left and get stung repeatedly. This he called "conditioned reflex". Most of our actions are similarly influenced by our experience, knowledge gleaned from books, movies and relationships. Nelson, the great British naval captain is reported to have admonished one of his ratings by saying, "Trust in God. Keep your gunpowder dry." Probably more than one half of the 6 billion people on earth find it easier to take the easier first part and expect that the gunpowder will stay dry by divine intervention. Then there is the cross section of the global community that deals with soothsayers, astrology, palmistry, various forms of occult and to try and get a glimpse of what is "pre determined". Hinduism and Buddhism propagate the view that in the cycle of re-birth, actions in the current life will determine the nature and circumstances of your rebirth. I do not know about rebirth, but if I am grumpy, petty and mean to people, I will receive grumpy, petty and mean responses from most people. But one simple thing I know is that if we do not do the grocery the whole family will have to rely on unhealthy take-outs for the week. There is a simple action - effect correlation. We know in advance what the oucome of not doing the grocery is. So the desire for specific outcomes determines our actions and attachment to outcomes in effect precludes free thought. That is why I think many of us are not really able to exercise free will.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
18 Jan 07
A lot of interesting ideas here. Personally, I think we have the opportunity for free will but rarely use it. It is easier to "go with the flow" than make waves or changes. In your grocery analogy - we have been trained to do the grocery shopping in order to avoid the unhealthy consequences. BUT you could use free will and say - "I am not going to go to the grocery this week".
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
19 Jan 07
And your decision affects those around you and presents them with choices they must make. However, most people will choose the one with the most positive results. In the grocery example that would be to get up and do the shopping because then they do not have to listen to complaints from others, have something to eat when they want it instead of waiting for the delivery person to arrive or having to pick up take-out and spending 3 - 5 times the cash on the meals they could have purchased the ingrediants for. The choice they have been "programmed to make". So is it really "free" will if a person only makes "programmed responses" OR has that person given up their free will.
• New Zealand
19 Jan 07
Thank you. Yes opportunities to exercise free will abound. Taking the grocery example, am I exercising FREE WILL if I do one of the following: 1. I decide not to do grocery because I am feeling lazy. 2. I decide to do grocery because my family should eat healthy meals economically. 3. I decide to order healthy, balanced meals from a number of restaurants all week. That is one part of the dilemma about "free will".
• United States
25 Feb 07
Oh, we have free will. God wants to work in our life and have complete control so he can do whatever he wants with our life, but it is our choice (and we do have free will.)
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
26 Feb 07
That may be true of God; but, what about genetics and environment. If you have a genetic defect that makes even a few minutes in the sun painful - do you have free will in deciding whether you want to take a walk on a beach or go to a park or any place else, during the daytime. If you were raised in a vegetarian family and home schooled; do you really have free will in your choices when you go to a restaurant on your own for the first time? There are many more examples than this available. Do you have free will or have your choices been "programmed" into you?
• United States
14 Jan 07
I believe we can make our own decisions. Some are influenced by family and friends. Others are pressured, and others are not. The environment and genetics do affect our lives....and can influence some of our decisions. I think we are as free as we can be.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
15 Jan 07
I agree that environment and genetics do play a part and in some people they may be the deciding factor BUT there are a lot of people who "break with tradition" so to speak and do the opposite of what one would expect from them. But that doesn't answer the spiritual/metaphysical arguement that some "higher being/power" had already "predestined" them to make that change in behavior.
@villageanne (8553)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I believe that we have our agency. W can make our own decisions but we must remember that these choices have consequenses. Other peoples choices impact our lives as well as our own. For instance, A man gets drunk, gets behind the wheel, drives and hits your car, and someone is killed. The choices that the man made does affect you. I belive that Heaven Father knows our personality. He knows what we are capable. Each of us are probably capable of much more than we are doing. We decide what time to get up and what we will do when we get up. If you are a parent, it is easier to understand. You know what your child is capable of. Yet sometimes the child makes choices by which they do things that are way below what they are capable of. You cant make their deciions for them. You let them make their own choices and learn from their mistakes because you love them. Heavenly Father is the same way. He knows we are capable of doing better but he lets us make our decisions and learn from our mistakes. We receive blessings according to our choices.
• United States
16 Feb 07
I have argued this question so many times... but it never seems to bore me. I honestly believe that every person has free will. By choosing to believe that they are just bound by fate, they are choosing with free will. Believing in God is free will, drinking coffee or water, that is free will. Choosing to marry is free will, choosing to have children is free will. Here is my thought on "predestiny." IF everyones lives are already planned out, and someone has chosen each answer for us, then wouldn't that make us no more than a bunch of characters playing out a simple story? And if that is what we are, who is watching?
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
17 Feb 07
If that is who we are, who would want to watch! Rather boring, unless "God" is a writer/producer and then wouldn't he want us to do his "play" over and over until we got it right?