the poor fools
By dogdancer
@dogdancer (105)
January 9, 2007 6:53pm CST
I was kind of wondering where the mylot folk stand on the subject of "defence" in a national sense. to put it another way the armed forces. now coming from a wealthy european country with masses of weapons of mass destruction why are we getting involved in scraps in other nations? thats not defence?
some will say yeah sure but we need to keep those "tyrants" in check. well how do we decide who is the tyrant? there must be dozens. why are we not goin to war with them?surely were just getting involved for commercial gain? who are the tyrants and why are we so proud of what our soldiers are doing. sure they do a tough job but do they truly grasp what it is they are doing? its a far cry from defending our nation we could do that with the push of a few buttons.
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14 responses
@smuggeridge (2148)
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10 Jan 07
i've always thought that defence was a silly word because the army is not used by developed nations for defence but rather for attack. The question of who is the tyrant is all down to your perspective, in the eyes of a lot of countries it is us who are the tyrants.
A good example is Cuba, the Americans would stress that Fidel Castro is a tyrant but if you look at his policies and what he has done for the country he is a hell of a lot better than Batista, his predocessor however because Batista supported the US they were very happy to let him stay ruling and continue to destroy his country. When Castro comes to power he is suddenly the enemy because he is communist but he did a lot of good such as bringing free education, health and turning round a very deprived country.
Who are the real tyrants? dunno, is it our job to sort them out? dunno, judging by whats going on in Iraq and Afghanistan i sometimes think it might be better to leave the countries to themselves.
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@Adrenochrome (1653)
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11 Jan 07
Defense is generally based at home, or at least, around your borders. Every country has the moral right, and duty, to protect its people. Attacking countries far from home, who have no capacity to harm you, is not really my idea of defense, and is actually the definition of offense. In many forms of sport, attack CAN be the best form of defense, but in politics, it stinks of bullying and interference in another nations affairs.
The true sadness lies in the fact that whilst the politicians start the wars, it is often the decent, brave and patriotic people (a countrys finest) who actually have to do the fighting. Many die, many are maimed, and even more suffer a lifetime of mental anguish over what they have done, seen and be sent into. Each nation is lessened by the damage done to its youth generation, when they are sent to war.
@quatelmon (955)
• United States
10 Jan 07
I agree with all of these posts, and I'm glad a soldier came on here to say something, as well. Defense would mean defending our nation against attacks, instead of doing the attacking. I feel that we should aim more of a focus into REAL homeland security (making sure the ports are safe, disbanding enemy cells AT HOME, etc.) instead of going to other countries and forcing them into what they may not beleive in.
@yorgaki (678)
• Romania
10 Jan 07
That's right, they sell your soldiers lifes for a stupid lie. Afghanistan is a hole now, Iraqi has internal problems ( Sunni against Shia ) so what is your job there ? To light more gunpowder against you ?
It's easy to start a war, because Bush will go and leave the office in a year, but the nation will pay the price on his behind. Does it worth ?? What good thing did he brought to your country ? Do you feel some big advantage ?? I don't think so. It seems that america become the biggest loser of the century. The other countries just cannot believe what bad situation you are now in ...
@dogdancer (105)
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11 Jan 07
thanks for the replies. good to know this subject is as close to others as is to me. i'm glad nobody has actually claimed that the war is doing any GOOD as i'm sure we all agree all war on any level is WRONG.
keep spreading the message.
@randyequal (439)
• China
10 Jan 07
yes. from a national sense, we must be pround of our soldiers. they are risking their blood and life to defend our country and some of them already devoted thire life to our country... We are denfending our country because our country is facing a kind of attack from other country, or terrosits from other country..In order to defend our country, our soldiers have to push the triggers in the land of our country or in the land of other country if necessary
@yorgaki (678)
• Romania
10 Jan 07
You know what? Better read again my above answer. Why to be proud about something that is mouthless, voiceless, brainless, and does like a slave whatever is ordered to him ?
The virtue is to do the right things, not to obey to someone regardless if he is a crazy or a wise man.
... any nation that take note of the presence of the others, but in an intimidating way not in a cooperating way is DOOMED to spend tenfold more than using the ways of peace. All these resources spent, and what for ?? For a stupid ambition and game about war and "we are the strongest" ideas ??? You are the foolest, the weakest, the most scarried, because they wanted that and realised their purpose on you. You played their game instead of a game of balance, and they keep making you casualties, keep you spending desperately a lot of money, and with no result !!
Don't you ever heard that SOMETIMES A BAD PEACE IS even BETTER than a "RIGHTEOUS" WAR ???
The world look at you how you multiply the victims that they started on 9/11. Is that wise ???? IS THAT WISE ??
@yorgaki (678)
• Romania
10 Jan 07
And they are YOUR victims, and you still don't stop sending there young men to die "for your country" ... Are you serious ?? Don't you love your young people ?Don't you care about them ? Why that course over them year by year ?? Other western guys don't go war, they go disco, dance, work, have fun, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE COWARDS, but because they have NOT STUPID LEADERS, to send them to the slaughter then to smile and say "what brave warriors we have".
You are the worst enemies of yourself ....
Our tears are for your soldiers, because your OWN leaders have NO mercy of them, THEIR fathers have NO mercy of them, THEIR mothers have NO mercy of them ...
Europe cries for you, but you don't want to stop .... Why ? why ? why ? Stay home, remain safe, remain rich, remain happy, REMAIN ALIVE, for God's sake !!
@Lackingstyle (7509)
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10 Jan 07
People in general have too much time to think. Sure maybe it is all about oil, money, gain. Are soldiers getting rich? Not exactly.
When you're there all questions fade, it's about survival, for you, for your comrades, for the iraq people.
It's about doing what is right, while you are there.
@athul555 (91)
• India
10 Jan 07
ohhh about the poor fools......It was not until Pearl Harbor was attacked that we got into the war. We were so far behind and had to sacrifice a lot to get up to speed. We lost thousands of soldiers because our enemies were so well establishedWho are the real tyrants? "It's not our fight". Now we see Islamic extremists who are trying to "destroy the infidels" (any one who is not Moslem) through terrorist tacticsIt was to do with oil, otherwise they would have stayed the first time they attacked Iraq and not just left the people of Iraq.
@UcoksBaBa (800)
• Indonesia
10 Jan 07
Tyranny was the greed and the greed from one person of humankind, the group, the group et cetera that the greed and want to controlled without thinking what resulting from that will be obtained by them, against them with the war again, something must have the sacrifice not there is one that is free in this world.
@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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10 Jan 07
It's all about power and who controls what. I saw a programme the other night on Sky about the CIA and it was disturbing to see how they have taken control over so many countries they saw as tyrants, because they felt they were a threat to America.
The CIA helped to put Saddam in power, it had nothing to do with defending ourselves that the iraq war was started. It was to do with oil, otherwise they would have stayed the first time they attacked Iraq and not just left the people of Iraq.
Its all a complete sham and very depressing that Bush and Blair used "defense" as an excuse for what they have done!!!
Good discussion +
@kathy77 (7486)
• Australia
10 Jan 07
Firstly, we have to defend our country if these other countries you are talking about have weapons of mass destruction then the other countries have to defend their countries before the ones with these dreadful weapons get out of control and kill innocent people of other nations, I do not believe this to be of commercial gain in anyway.
@zoeokeeffe (184)
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10 Jan 07
I agree with some of your points. I often wonder why we are getting involved in some conflicts and not others. It should be consistent across the world. I know we can't get involved in all conflicts but if thats the case why some and not others. I think commercial gain has a lot to do with it. However I don't agree with your points on the soldiers. They are doing a job that many people wouldn't do and deserve all the praise they get. I am very proud of our soldiers in the UK and don;t think they need to understand what they are getting involved in, they are ultimately risking their lives for the good of others, whatever the rights and wrongs of the conflict may be.
@randyequal (439)
• China
10 Jan 07
yes. from a national sense, we must be pround of our soldiers. they are risking their blood and life to defend our country and some of them already devoted thire life to our country... We are denfending our country because our country is facing a kind of attack from other country, or terrosits from other country..In order to defend our country, our soldiers have to push the triggers in the land of our country or in the land of other country if necessary
@damagedgoods (88)
• United States
10 Jan 07
it's called foreign policy, which is shaped towards the goal of maintaining
and improving the economy, or the Corporations that drive the economy / with
the ultimate goal being for the USA to always be in the top 3 world powers/
I believe the wars are a side-effect of that. Brave young men and women choose
to enter the military in the USA. The other option is college or just start
working.
