Did you realize that a negative statement cancels out a positive statement?

@brokentia (10389)
United States
January 13, 2007 9:18pm CST
You should not make a 'But' statement. Such as, 'I love you BUT you really annoy me sometimes!' or 'Thanks for taking that downstairs for me BUT you forgot to take this.' Well, you start with a positive statement. However, when you follow it up with a negative statement or a 'but', it just cancels out the positive. LOL Do you do this? Do you have it done to you? Can you give an example of a 'But' statement you use or have had used on you? If the statement was used on you, do you agree that the negative cancels out the positive?
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@Ciniful (1587)
• Canada
14 Jan 07
Actually, the act of starting a critisizm with a positive statement is one of the first things to learn in any successful relationship. You're looking at it the wrong way. You're seeing it from the perspective of ... I'm trying to tell them something nice, so I shouldn't tell them something bad at the same time .. which is true. However, if you're trying to approach a subject that will critisize someone, such as not taking the garbage out on time for example, the best way to approach it is with a positive statement for reinforcement. Example: Thank you so much for straightening up your room, BUT you forgot to take out the garbage. This would of course be when talking to a child. If talking adult to adult, for example ... "Honey, I love you .. BUT it drives me insane when you leave your clothes on the floor." OR "Honey, thank you for fixing that shelf, BUT could you stop leaving your clothes on the floor? I think I saw a mouse move in .. he's taking up residence!" The same lines you used are perfect examples of how to handle giving critisizm with positive reinforcement, recommended by marriage councelors, psychiatrists and psychologists around the world. I tend to add humor into the line as well, just to keep things light. :)
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@brokentia (10389)
• United States
14 Jan 07
Maybe that is my problem then. I have been pre-conditioned to receive criticism along with a compliment! That is a very interesting thought! In turn because of that...I offer more positive reinforcement to my kids too. Because I think they should hear the good things so they keep up that behavior. So, I guess it is not all bad then. :) LOL Did I confuse you? Either way, you both make a good point.
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@Idlewild (6090)
• United States
14 Jan 07
This starting with a positive statement is similar to the approach my older sister uses with her husband. I can't say it always succeeds in defusing the criticism, but the two of them just celebrated their 40th wedding anniversary. You mention humor, and my sister and her husband often slip that into their disagreements. It really can help defuse tension. I can see how the 'thank you, But...' approach can be a problem, though, if a person get conditioned that when they hear a compliment from their partner, they know a complaint will follow!
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@Ciniful (1587)
• Canada
14 Jan 07
Well sure, if that's the only time compliments are ever given out is when they're followed with a critical remark. I make a point of complimenting my family whenever they do something deserving of it ... just my common sense, makes the kids even more eager to do good things, makes my husband a happy man for a short while, lol. I just always make a point of using positive reinforcement when I have to bring up some sort of critisizm as well, it goes over much better that way and softens the blow quite a bit. It's easier for a person to accept something they've done wrong if they see that what they're doing RIGHT isn't going unnoticed.
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@medooley (1873)
• United States
14 Jan 07
Geez Tia, I thought that this was going to be some sort of myLot help, but not this is some sort of personal help thing. I don't know if you know this but I am pretty close to purfect... just as iamdricoll. Okay so I am not. I don't know if I do this, I am going to have to ask the wife. And I don't think that she does it to me, but I do know that it happens a lot to me at my job. But I never really take it the wrong way I don't think I think that at work I should be getting some critizism to make me a better employee. I really don't think that I do do it. But you are right, I think that this takes away all the good thing that you were trying to say to the person the first time.
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@brokentia (10389)
• United States
18 Jan 07
hahahahaha Imadriscoll, I think you were able to point out that Medooley is not perfect. LOL That's ok, he let us all know in a discussion some time ago that he can't spell well. LOL BUT I really enjoy reading his responses. You both are able to make me laugh quite often. Period. No BUT. LOL Oh! And thanks medooley for making the statement in the beginning of this discussion that I often have a deeper meaning in my discussions. I find that to be a real compliment! Thank you!
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• United States
15 Jan 07
"I don't know if you know this but I am pretty close to purfect... just as iamdricoll." He'd be a little closer to "perfect", if he spelled it right and my name right! iMAdriscoll not iAMdriscoll! :) But, in all honesty, we're as close to perfect of people you will find! ... Wait, did I cancel out the positive statement with starting with a joke about the spelling?
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@imadriscoll (2228)
• United States
15 Jan 07
I've actually heard that for every negative thing a person is told that it takes TEN positive things to make up for it. We tend to remember the negative comments that people make and not only do we remember them, we also replay them in our minds more. When receiving a compliment most people tend to play it off ... "No big deal" or "It wasn't anything". Where as if someone says that we fell short in an area we focus on the failure. I know that if I was told by my husband, "Great supper, but the potatoes could have been cooked longer." That the only thing that I would focus on was the fact that he thought I did a horrible job on the potatoes, not that the vegetables, meat and dessert were good.
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@brokentia (10389)
• United States
15 Jan 07
I have never heard that 10 positives thing before. I think that is probably pretty true. And we do tend to focus on the negative. I don't know if it is because we are hurt or do not like to fail...maybe a little of both.
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@BunGirl (2638)
• United States
14 Jan 07
This is why I hate it when people say "I'm sorry for what I did, but..." If you add a "but" in there the apology is worthless, so just don't bother!
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@rsmith512 (1561)
• United States
14 Jan 07
I agree. You are just saying sorry to appease the person that wants to here it. Then, by sayin 'but' you are not really saying sorry.
@Ciniful (1587)
• Canada
14 Jan 07
Ah, that's entirely different. An apology followed with a 'but' isn't an actual apology ... it's being said only to appease someone else, not because the person saying it is actually sorry. I don't accept those types of apologies either. Completely seperate issue, but absolutely unacceptable as a genuine apology.
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• Canada
14 Jan 07
Hehe, when I first saw the subject line, I thought you were referring to myLot comments and people leaving positive or negative feedback about them! :D I guess I'm too focused on myLot tonight. I agree with you tht the word "BUT" should most often NOT be used if you are trying to convey something positive to someone. What people hear and take to heart is always the last part of those statements. So instead of "I love you," they will remember "but you really annoy me sometimes." There are such better ways of talking to your friends and loved ones about both positive and negative things that you want or need them to know. As for examples of sentances I've used or have been used on me, I can't think of any good ones at the moment. I actually actively try NOT to phrase things this way. If I have some constructive criticism to give someone, I'll say the negative part first, but in a positive way ("could you take this last bit of stuff downstairs?") then follow up with the positive ("and thanks for taking down that first load, it's a big help."). It can be difficult at first to remember to speak this way, but it really does become a habit. ~Wyrdsister
@medooley (1873)
• United States
14 Jan 07
ha ha, I thought the same thing too about myLot. I guess we forgot that Tia is a much deeper thinker than that!
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• United States
15 Jan 07
I fall in this category of thinking that we were talking about MyLot ... makes you wonder where your spouse rates in relation to MyLot! LOL.
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@villageanne (8553)
• United States
14 Jan 07
Don't you just hate it when this happens? There is this lady who thinks she is perfect and tries to make everyone else feel beneath her. She does this all the time. It has reached the point that i just smile at her when I hear a comliment and think to myself "Oh no, here she goes again!"
• United States
14 Jan 07
i absolutely agree!! And i didnt notic how bad this was until latley..I dont mean to do it and never thought about it before..like the other day my son colred these pages..and he i thought he might have hurried because he was sooooo out of the line and i just want to help him do better..and i said..OHH HUN ITS BEAUTIFUL!! BUT....look you colored so fast your out of the lines really bad..omg!! the look on his little face!!! i crushed his little heart!! he was sooo excited..and it was like i slapped him in the face!!! Soo im never doing that again!I will just stop and help him anothet time and show him how mommy stays in the lines..and never ever be negative again..well i will try at least..but not to Sky or any kid..
@brokentia (10389)
• United States
15 Jan 07
Even though I can't say that I will never do it, having an experience like your's is an eye opening! :) I am glad you understand what I am speaking of. And I think the key to us to avoid hurting others is by being aware of how we do effect others. :) Thanks for sharing your experience! It really helped to explain!
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• United States
15 Jan 07
That is so true. I hope that a lot of people read this, and realize when they speak, to think of how it comes out and sounds like. Or when you say the word, however, or, if, are other words that are negative used after a positive statement.
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@rsmith512 (1561)
• United States
15 Jan 07
I completely agree! Why even say 'thanks' or 'I love you' if you are just going to end it with a 'but' or some other form of a negative. It's just not nice! :( And, I would wonder if they really meant it. I also think that even if you start with the negative and end with a positive...it's still going to be a negative. You might not even listen to what they are saying after they have said the negative first! I can't really say I haven't done it...expecially when I was little. You know how you would say, "I am sorry BUT it wasn't my just my fault." OR you would get interupted right after you said 'but' and it would be like this..."I am sorry BUT." And you would get in trouble for calling the person BUT! Kinda complicated! All I am saying is that either way you put it, it is still going to be a negative and hurt someones feelings! SO...be POSITIVE!!! :D
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• Brazil
15 Jan 07
I only use that when I have to give nagetive back, I emphasize the positive before telling the person what is negative about him.
@tsprabhu (705)
• India
14 Jan 07
I don't think that a negative statement can cancel out a positive one BUT its true in many occasions.
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@emisle (3822)
• Ireland
14 Jan 07
It would sound better if people started with the bad part first,'i find you annoying, BUT I do love you'! and so on...i sometimes use it i think, if someone asks me how something went i'll usually say,'it was grand but....'
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• Romania
14 Jan 07
lol that is an interesting perspective, never thought of this. so if the but cancels the first statement, instead of cancelling the positive statement it could cancel the negative statement. that is really fun and ingenious lol
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@shogunly (1397)
• Libya
14 Jan 07
I like the apples , yet I dont like the oranges . i dont like the oranges, but i like the apples . i like the apples,but i dont like the oranges . out of the apples and oranges, i only like the apples . out of the apples and oranges , i only dislike the oranges. in ALL these statements , not one of them implied the speaker does not like the apples . So what's your point .
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
14 Jan 07
I have been taught that in order to correct someone it's better to start with a positive thing first, than pass on to say the negative aspect that is bothering you. Thus you are making the receiver more receptive to what you are going to tell.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
15 Jan 07
How about the reverse psychology but - "I'm no expert BUT.....I don't mean to rain on your parade BUT.....The only good part about these opening lines is that there is usually a slight pause after the BUT and it's just enough time to slip in there and say something like "good then I won't get a lecture from you" or "then don't".
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@kabuki (152)
• Singapore
14 Jan 07
lol...i guess a lot of people are guilty of that. But you are right though. A negative statement does cancel out the positive statement. We may say it without intention to hurt the other party or put him/her down, but the negative statement just happen to have this effect. In this casem we may have unwittingly offended somebody. Guess we have to be more tactful at times and rein in this habit. :)
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@brokentia (10389)
• United States
14 Jan 07
I think being tactful is very instrumental! :)
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• United States
14 Jan 07
IF,(if's) and (but's) were candy and nuts....OH what a joyfull world it would be.
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• United States
14 Jan 07
Did I realize it? My S/O is the Queen of the "But" phrases! Hers are masked a little more cleverly though. "just for your information I would rather have ??? than ???. After 25 years, I already know what she wants BUT I love the taste of mushrooms and occasionally I want them in MY food - just for her information ~Donna
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@ilunice (947)
• Netherlands
14 Jan 07
Ya. You are right. Even in mathematics, "-*+ = -" That is Negative by positive rendes the product negative. I guess we always need to be positive.
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• United States
14 Jan 07
I totally agree and for you to think this out your are a very good thinker. Are you a teacher and have you thought about it. It seems like you did a little bit of math there. I didnt cross my mind until you mentioned it. Im sure i will be looking out for it.
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@shywolf (4514)
• United States
14 Jan 07
I think that everyone does this. I have probably done it often in order to help soften the blow of whatever is going to come after the 'but' part of the statement. It is only human nature to want to say things more softly when we can, to try not to hurt other's feelings. But sometimes, as in some of the examples you posted above, it makes the statement come out seeming far more negative than positive, and that is unfortunate. It would depend on the nature of the statement that was used on me as to whether I would say that the postive aspect was cancelled out by the negative, though. I really don't thikn that the second example you gave was that bad. The first one would sting, for sure..
• India
3 Feb 07
nothing like dat..but it discourages ur postive things