Parents, teach your sons to be a gentlemen.

@Terri_R (302)
United States
January 15, 2007 11:31am CST
While I realize that women's rights have moved to a new level, I am saddened to see that the male species has loss most of it's manners when it comes to how to treat a lady. There was a time when parents, particularly Fathers, taught their sons that women have value beyond their physical attributes. Basic things such as making eye contact rather than "checking her out", appropriate language in the presence of a woman, opening doors and giving up seats. Schools no longer teach this, so doesn't the responsibility fall back to the parents?
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@ignoti (68)
• United States
15 Jan 07
Which way do you want it? What is "treating like a lady" when if all things are equal it should be just 'treating like everyone else.' Some women assume guys should open the door for them, some don't care, and some think of it as a sign of superiority or as against the feminist movement. About being "checked out," good luck... its about as natural as a bird song. I'd recommend something like the work of Desmond Morris for some interesting information about this. I'm all for equal rights, I'm all for fair treatment and equal pay... but for anyone to think that there aren't fundamental differences between the organization and actualization of male and female brains is absurd. That said, I feel what you are really after (and forgetting that it goes both ways because I can just as easily talk about how superficial and lazy women can be when they get everything handed to them) is what I described as equality in the sense of polite, respectful interaction.
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@lvhughes (545)
• United States
15 Jan 07
i think that everyone should be treated eaqual. but men should act like gentlemen and women should act like ladies. and everyone should stop this power struggle. acting like a gentlemen has nothing to do with giving women everything they want. that is a totally different thing. that is why parents need to teach their kids.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
First, let me define the term gentleman: 1.a man of good family, breeding, social position. 2.a civilized, educated, sensitive, or well-mannered man. I do not feel as if one gender is superior over the other and I am not talking about equal rights here, but the fact that so many are not taught basic manners and politeness. And yes, it goes both ways. And of course there are fundamental differences between males and females but it is possible for a man to speak to a woman's face rather than her boobs too. This is more of what I was refering to.
@kittykatzz (1132)
• United States
16 Jan 07
i think that the best thing you can do for equality is to raise you BOYS to be GENTLEMEN and your GIRLS to be LADIES! guys may not be "hootin and hollerin" if gals werent lookin like they want the attention.. door swings both ways right? and yes i DO think its the responsibility of the parents.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
Yes, the door does swing both ways. Girls need instruction as well.
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@unithorn (193)
• United States
16 Jan 07
You have included "appropriate language" and "giving up seats" as to how a woman should be treated by a man? Appropriate language seems to be more relevant to age group than it does to gender. I speak freely, as that is my right, and I would hate for any man to second guess his words simply because I am present. The concept of giving up seats also seems to be an age related issue - everyone should be willing to give up a seat to anyone with a handicap, a small child in tow, or an elder. It seems that you're really asking why people can't treat each other with the mannerism of years past. With more equality comes less of that, as we have progressed to be more competitive in nature. If I am the first to the door, I hold it open for whomever is behind me. I thank the person that holds the door for me. My language and topics vary by relationship, and my language publicly is mostly tame, out of common courtesy to strangers (especially if there are children present). I show respect for my elders, but also expect respect from them - it used to be that elders held more knowledge, and that is not necessarily the case anymore. Age brings life experience, but not always know-how. I am 20, and my 21-year-old fiance acts much the same as I. I know that we are not alone in our courtesy, though I do agree that many people have lost it. As a society, we started demonstrating less manners when it appeared that we could no longer trust there to be a general good in a stranger. Perhaps people should quit lying, mugging, stealing, cheating, scaring, stalking, kidnapping, raping, and killing. Why should there be courtesy where there is no trust?
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@unithorn (193)
• United States
17 Jan 07
The concept of courtesy is not age related. I feel that your specific examples do have something to do with age. By saying that "appropriate language" is more relevant to an age group (not gender), what I'm saying is the people of the same age often relate in different ways that those of other groups. For me to call an older man "Dude" is not polite (unless we are on that personal of a level). Similarly, language used (meaning curses OR slang) would vary by age, and by level of association that I have with that individual. I would not give up my seat for someone else my own age - unless they had a handicap or a child, or if I were planning to get up soon anyway. I will ALWAYS offer my seat to an elder. The world does not work well if everyone caters to everyone else. Please make sure that you read and understand (question me, if need be) what I am saying before you degrade me for voicing an opinion that you asked for.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
Since when is the concept of courtesy age related? Perhaps if you are a two year old. Courtesy is not relevant to someone else's behavior. Just because others act inappropriately does not mean we just throw our good manners out the window. If everybody thought like this our world would be in a bigger mess that it is now.
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Feb 07
My response was not mean to be degrading to you and I apologize if you felt it was. Spanning the generations there are unspoken things such as courtesy and social values. Yes, we have seen them change over the years, but some things do not change. What would be so bad about a world where every caters to others?
• United States
27 Jan 07
I have raised 4 sons and they so that they respect their elders and most importly they respect me and I raised them not to hit a woman what ever the situation
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• United States
3 Oct 07
yes because us women or young ladys should be treated as such and not beat on, the man just should walk away and find other things to do when they are angry and in that a woman should not hit a man either. I know that in some circumstances are lead back to when the abuser him are herself was abused as a child and that is what they are taught that is alright to hit on a man or a woman because they are your property if married I do think that if more people would raise their children to learn respect than the world would not have this problem of disrespect
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
3 Oct 07
You sound as you're speaking from experience, either your own or somoeone dear to you. While I agree with you totally it is also important to remember mutual respect from both genders. Women sometimes put themselves in the way of harm by initiating violence by hitting first.
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
3 Oct 07
Kudos to you sweetaspie. You emphasized not hitting a woman under any circumstance, is there a specific reason behind that?
@Pekachu (1112)
• United States
16 Jan 07
i so agree with you i have a boy and i always make a point to teach him to be respectful and polite now only to women but everyone. now a days men do not treat woman appropreately
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
And I hope your son will continue to teach his children and grandchildren this valuable lesson.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
27 Jan 07
I will not teach my son to be a gentleman in the accepted usage of the word. He will learn that all people have value regardless of gender. He will learn to behave respectfully in all company, male or female. He will learn to give up seats to those who need them, male or female. Do you see where I'm going with this? The traditional "gentleman" treats people differently on the basis of gender. Even if it is meant to be positive, it's still a gender-biased viewpoint. I want to teach my son to be a decent person, who helps others and treats them with respect. Not just women, but all people.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
30 Jan 07
I love your response! It is nice to know that there are parents out there that are/will teach their children respect. Perhaps the term gentleman is an outdated term, thus showing my age and how I was raised. I agree with you...all people should be treated equally no matter what gender they may be.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
30 Jan 07
Thanks! I wasn't raised in this way, or really raised at all I suppose. So it's very important to me that my son be taught from the beginning the things I had to learn the hard way. =)
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
3 Oct 07
Sounds like you had a rough upbringing. Obviously it has built character and strength as well as guiding you in your beliefs as a parent.
@Brooke3 (610)
15 Jan 07
How about teaching sons to treat women as equals? Like don't see women as objects of lust, see them as people. Personally I find it more offensive for a man to give up his seat for me or talk to me differently than he would his other friends than "checking me out".
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@Brooke3 (610)
16 Jan 07
I'm not suggesting you give up the title of woman and I never said that it was pleasant to have a guy talk to your chest, but I have to say that occasionally when I talk to men my eyes do wander, so I can't really blame them for doing the same thing! Mostly though I find that men do talk to my face. By saying that men should be taught to be gentleman you are suggesting that women should be taught to be ladies, and like you I want the title woman, not the title lady. I have no desire to be prim and proper.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
I realize that the term lady has certain prim and propper implications, but I feel all women should know how to conduct themselves a ladies. It is a quality that adds to the power of a woman.
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
Attention from others is flattering to a certain point. But I personally want a man to speak to me face to face rather than talking to my boobs. In many areas women still have some obstacles to overcome as far as equality goes, like equal pay and such, but I, for one, have no desire to give up the title of woman. A gentleman is grown, he doesn't just happen.
@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
15 Jan 07
I think it has always been the job of the parents to teach the manners, unfortunately I think a lot of men think that when women asked for equality they gave away theirs rights to be treated well...it is sad.
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
15 Jan 07
I think as human beings we should all get back to treating each other with respect, male or female. I wonder if parents have just forgotten to teach their children respect or if it is a vicious cycle where they were not taught themselves?
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@ajithlal (14716)
• India
16 Jan 07
I also agree parents should teach the manners to the children how to respect ladies and how to respect ladies. Some teenagers behave badly to the elders and tease them also. I have seen some teenagers behaving badly to the elders and hurting them with words. I wonder when these kids will learn manners.
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
If I were to witness a teenager being rude to anyone my elder, I would comment to them about it and try to assist the older person in some way. Good manners are one thing, outright disrespect is something totally different.
@nana1944 (1365)
• United States
16 Jan 07
It definitely is the parents responsibility. I do believe in women's rights. But f I went out with a man I would still ike the hand into the automobile, the door opening and all that. It has been 12 years since I have dated but the men n the town I live in just do not appeal to me. Plus a lot of years of bad experiences kind of soured me on relationships. However,if Nicholas Cage, Sean Connery, Steven Seagal, or John Cusak came along, I might change my mind. I don't think it would happen in Greensburg, Kansas USA but I can dream, can't I?
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
Again, I do not think equality has anything to do with courtesy. But it seems, according to the responses in this discussion that the days of gentlemen are dying out fast. How terribly sad. Dreams only die if we let them. (hahaha) So, keep on dreaming, perhaps a big name movie will be shot in your town one of these days and the man of your dreams will appear.
@finlander60 (1804)
• United States
16 Jan 07
While I agree with what you have said, I must take issue with the fact that fathers should have the main role of teaching manners to their children. The problem,as I see it, is that young ladies just do not know how to respond to this type of response. I have seen some actually say in a rather snotty way "I can open my own da** doors." And they don't even have the decency to say "thank you." This is not a one way street.
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
I totally agree with you. Not only should parents teach their sons to be gentlemen we definitely need to teach our daughters the difference between equality and courtesy, as well as respect for others, men included.
• India
16 Jan 07
Yes. It is the responsibility of the parents to see that their sons are on right path. Discipline starts at home only.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
3 Oct 07
It is important for parents to be parents, not buddies or pals, to their children. This includes discipline.
• India
16 Jan 07
i realize that women rights have moved to a new level that i saddened to see that the male species has loss most of its manners when it come to how to trea a lady
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@unithorn (193)
• United States
17 Jan 07
Do you not realize that Vamshees quoted you?
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
3 Oct 07
LOL....uh huh.
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
I'm don't think the male species have lost their manners when it comes to how to treat a lady, but rather many were never taught. And, as so many have pointed out, the female species have not been taught to be ladies either. How can we remedy this mess we've created?
@bowtieguy (5915)
• United States
13 Sep 07
I will say that womens rights is a has a lot to do with the reason that fathers ahve put manners on the back burner when it comes to raising their sons, fortunatley I am not one of those men, I was always taught to be a perfect gentlemen from my father and have instilled these values and beliefs onto my sons and can only hope others will come to their senses and do the same.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
3 Oct 07
I have heard this argument throughout this discussion and still am not sure why the fight for women's rights would effect the practice of raising men to be gentlemen. Is it due to spite? Women trying to repress the young men under their care or men striking back at women? It makes no sense to me at all.
@bowtieguy (5915)
• United States
29 Aug 07
Yes, I was raised on proper values and morales and how to be a gentleman, not just around the laties but over all in general. I have seen they way that the boys act and dress these days and it leads me to think that few of us know the meaning of the word gentlemen these days and the signifigance it holds. I pride my self in knowing that my sons are gentlemen form their behaviors down to the way they dress, they look the part as weel as acting the part and hopeful will influence others to take notice and become one as well.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
3 Oct 07
Consider yourself in the minority and kudos to you for doing such an excellent job guiding your sons.
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
16 Jan 07
It's not allabout teaching how to treat a woman as a lady. It's about jusy plain manners whether it's a man or a woman. To me that is more important. A lady should be treated as such. If a gentalman wants to give me his seat i will take it as a curtsy to him. he is being thoughtful. woman want to be treated as though they have minds. but accepting of these things is a sign of that respect.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
And this comes from being taught the concept of respect. I love your response.
@katprice (806)
• United States
16 Jan 07
I agree. It's so refreshing to see a man go around to the passenger side of the car and open the car door for the woman and help her get out of the car. Where have all those men gone?
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
Doesn't it make you feel great when a man shows you this courtesy? You KNOW that he is focusing on you and making the effort to show it. I hold my head up with pride each time my husband does this for me. (And see others notice as well.)
@limosonia1 (1559)
• United States
16 Jan 07
Yes we need to teach our children more manners. Not just the boys. The boys need to understand to open doors and be respectful of all women. My son at 14 opens doors, carries bags and gets up from his seat for a women or a girl. But I also teach my girls that you need to also get up out of respect for the elderly or someone who is just older than you are. Open doors or help somebody that needs it. We as a country are losing our compassion and I think if we all show our kids that it is important maybe we can change things
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
We should all teach our children respect and compassion for others, no matter what the age. It's true, our children are watching us. We, as adults, need to set the standard and demonstrate our beliefs.
16 Jan 07
It should be the parents responsibility to teach their children manners. The things I hear coming out of children's mouths these days. It's enough to make me blush. Such swearing, such rudeness. I remember when I was young, we had to say yes sir, never yeah. We felt the back of their hand if we called grownups by their first name. Teach your children, they learn from you. They repeat what they hear. I like having the door opened for me, pull out my chair for me. Please, no foul language around me. My eyes are in my face, not on my boobs. Please lets show some respect. What happened to women being cherished, respected?
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
This seems to be the old way of thinking. It comes back to the way parents are raising their children.
@camille101 (1025)
• United Arab Emirates
16 Jan 07
As a member of the society, we have the responsibility to monitor the curriculum of the school. Basically as parents, we are the role model of our children, teaching children the good morals and values do start at home. Thus, we have the obligation to guide them and correct them when they made mistakes. Respect for elder people and women. Of course, we have to put our teachings in action so that it will instill in their minds. But our teachings shouldn't end up in the house. As a responsible memeber of the society, we have to form a group, like a parent's group, wherein we monitor the activities of our children when they're outside the home environment. Like the school and peer's club. We have to constantly check the learnings of our children and the way they manifest their learning in their daily lives.
@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
Awesome solution to an age-old problem. What is the old addage? "It takes a village to raise a child?" But, parents must play an active role in rearing their children and not expect everyone else to monitor their children for them. Parents, get involved. Know your kid's friends. Know what they are doing and who they are doing it with. Yes, there are others that are willing to team up with you, but YOU must make it your business.
@ms_fery (251)
• Philippines
16 Jan 07
i think no! it is a choice of your son to do the right things. what ever you thought him if he don't like it you can not force him to do so especially if you are not around.
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@Terri_R (302)
• United States
16 Jan 07
Rather our children choose to do the things we teach them or not does not lessen the responsibility we, as parents, have to teach them. Otherwise, how would they ever learn to look both ways before crossing the street?