Shape of Earth according to Bible and Qu'ran

India
February 3, 2007 5:03pm CST
Earth has four corner and floats on water [Isiah 11:12, Psalm 24:2,136:6, Rev 7:1] Earth is Flat [1Chron 16:30, Ps 93:1, Jer 10:13, Dan 4:10-11,Matt 4:8, Rev 1:7] Earth Does not MOVE [ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1Chron 16:30] "Seest thou not that Allah[GOD] merges Night into Day and HE merges Day into Night?" [Al-Qu'ran 31:29] "HE created the heavens and the earth in true proportions: HE makes the night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the night: [Al-Qu'ran 39:5] (The Arabic word used here is Kawwara means to coil) *the overlapping or coiling of the day and night can only take place if the Earth is Spherical. Today we know.. The Earth is not exactly round like a ball, but geo-spherical, i.e. it is flattened at the poles. see this verse "And the earth, moreover, hath HE made egg shaped." [Al Qu'ran 79:30](*The arabic word used for egg here is Dahaahaa which means an Ostrich-egg.) *The shape of an ostrich-egg resembles the geo-spherical shape of the earth.
5 responses
@manong05 (5029)
• Philippines
7 Feb 07
The Bible was not written to be a textbook on science or astronomy. The earlier writers wrote what they see around them and as what it appears to their eyes. Do you also wonder why people of today inspite of all advances in science say "The sun will rise and the sun will set"? There are seeming "contradictions" and "discrepancies" in the Bible but it is only to those who look at the surface. Studied deeply and without bias and prejudice, all of these vanish. Some people have a habit of looking for contradictions (for them) to disprove or question the authenticity of the Bible and this will always be a futile attempt. The Bible have stood centuries of attacks and criticisms and most of what critics are pointing out today have been answered long ago. Johnny come lately critics can do no better. It is good to stand on what we believe is true but to question and belittle the others is an act uncalled for. Good posting though. Cheers.
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• Australia
7 Feb 07
Good response Manong. I agree the Bible isn't a textbook on science and astronomy, but isn't it amazing that where the Bible does mention these things, it is totally correct? The Bible told us so much about the tides, the winds, the lightning, the snow, the stars and so much more, many hundreds of years before our scientists "discovered" them.
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@manong05 (5029)
• Philippines
7 Feb 07
Even the very first verse "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth and the earth was without form and void" is already amazing in itself. It speaks of a profound truth that modern science is only beginning to understand. We can cite hundreds more.
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• New Zealand
7 Feb 07
Manong, The Koran and Bible are two of the holy books in the world (where there are many holy books). Holy books have been produced and promoted by holy people and are accepted as a matter of faith by those who believe in them. Islam requires its adherents to accept the Koran in TOTO, and so do some of the more rabid Bible belivers. I do fully agree with you about any religious writer, whether the Bible or Koran setting out to write a manual on science or astronomy. I also like your note on making a stand for what you believe in without belittling others.
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@kiwimac (323)
• New Zealand
7 Feb 07
This is what happens when you take metaphorical language and attempt to interpret it literally. The Bible is written in language which nomads, sheep-herders, beginning civilisations can understand. I would not expect to find in a book of its age a picture of the spherical nature of the earth, a diagram of the planets' orbits and their ephemerids. There are around 2500-2200 years separating the earliest Biblical verses quoted from the earliest Qur'anic verses quoted. During that time a whole lot of science was discovered.
@MrNiceGuy (4143)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Don't forget that the verses he did quote, did not actually say what he says they do, as you can see.
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• New Zealand
7 Feb 07
I would submit that the Hellenic and Indus Valley civilzations as well as the Egyptians, Sumerians and Mesopotamians had links that predates the Scrolls. It is not until 1030 A.D. when Al-Baruni, a moslem mathematician discusses heliocentrism and refers to the Indian and Ptolemic systems of astronomy. Sorry - the dates just do not stack up.
• India
7 Feb 07
The Verses which I gave with only references, and that U wrote in detail, nothing changes.. the verses do speak that the world has 4 corners, earth is flat, earth is not moving, if this is metamorphic and we should not take it literal, then why when it is said GOD as FATHER, u take it as literal biological father of Jesus ??? strange In the language of HEBREW son of GOD means Servant of GOD, but u want to take tat as literal and call Jesus as GOD child.. but wherever it doesn't suits your theory, u say its the ancient language style... wow hats off
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
7 Feb 07
Islam is only about 1500 years old. Let me provide some background before I respond to your question (if indeed it is a question) Aryabhata the Indian Astronomer and Mathematician proposed the HelioCentric nature of the Universe several hundreds of years before the Koran was even a gleam in the eye of the great Prophet Mohammed. It may be of interest to know that Aryabhata also calculated the circumfrence of the earth within a tolerance of 0.2% and this came about as a result of understanding of the Pi. Alexander the Great began the process of exchange of information. In 320 BC he reached the shores of the Indus River, India. He turned back towards Europe having established relationships and many Greeks stayed back. Links dating back to those years - when the Ptolemys of Egypt established the Alexandra University and Library are available to show that there was great exchange of ideas between Ancient India and Ancient Egypt. The Moslems sacked Alexandra 645 (?) A.D.) before the Koran was written. For a 1000 years the arabs controlled the spice and silk trade as a consequence. They learnt the secrets of astronomy long before Europe picked up after the Reformation and Renaissance. What is the implication of your comment? What are your questions?
• India
7 Feb 07
GOOD WORK: to explain some of the so called history and link between Alexandra and Arabs: but it seems still u were unaware of the another part of the history or biography of Prophet Muhammad: even the western Historians and non Muslim Arabs record that He is an Illiterate: and also Quran says: "Those who follow the Messenger, the prophet who can NEITHER READ NOR WRITE [UNLETTERED], whom they find mentioned in their own scripture(in the LAW[Isaiah 29:12] & the GOSPEL[John 14:16]); for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good[pure] and prohibits them from what is bad [impure]; He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the fetters [bindings]that are upon them. so it is those who believe in him, honor him, help him and follow the light[Al-Qu'ran] which is sent down with him, it is they who will be successful." [Quran 7:157]
@MrNiceGuy (4143)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Muhammad is mentioned in those verses you say? Isiah 29:12 And if the document is given to one who cannot read and he is asked to read it, [a] he will say, "I can't read." John 14:16-17 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you. So again, lies or misinformation? You verses simply don't check out.
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• India
7 Feb 07
your Quote: "and if the document is given to the one who cannot read and he is asked to read it, he will say, 'I can't read'." [Isaiah 29:12] I don't know which version u referring. Let me post the version which I refer. "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, I am not Learned." [Isaiah 29:12 KJV] "And the book shall be given to the one that knoweth NO letters, and it shall be said to him, READ and he shall answer, I know NO Letters." [Isaiah 29:12 Douay-Rheims Version] "And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying read this, He says I cannot read." [Isaiah 29:12 RSV] now my arguments: Throughout the history of Jewish Prophets there have never been an Unlettered Prophet which this prophecy is talking about. Now let me relate the History of Muhammad: Muhammad's Experience in the Cave of Hira, and his response to the FIRST revelation is the EXACT fulfillment of the Biblical Verse under discussion. ACCORDING TO HISTORY: It was on a day towards the end of the month Ramadan [one of Arabic month] that Muhammad set off for the CAVE, he was so involved with his thoughts, he didn't notice the time passing, at the darkest time of the night, just before the dawn, he heard a voice. The voice grew louder and louder, it seemed to come from all directions. Muhammad Looked around, suddenly before him there was an angel. "READ", said the angel and Muhammad was stunned and replied "I am not Learned". The the angel squeezed Muhammad, and then released him and commanded 'READ' with fear his lips were shivering and he said louder, "I am not Learned". 'READ' said the angel "in the name of thy LORD who created man from a drop of blood: read in the name of the Almighty GOD who taught man the use of the pen and taught him what he knew not before..." Muhammad repeated the verses few times after the Angel, until he knew it perfectly word for word. to describe I can say it was like Gabriel put 'Word of GOD' in his mouth" as we find it in another place in bible: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, [Ishmael's] like unto thee, and will put my WORD IN HIS MOUTH; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him". [Deu 18:18] I will post my argument for John 14:16-17 in next post.
@Phlamingho (7827)
• Denmark
3 Feb 07
Well those religious texts you are referring to are all dated from back when people didn't know any better, so naturally they will tell us the wrong facts. We could also chose to take it as a sign that no devine powers had anything to do with the text ;-)
• India
3 Feb 07
friend, u dismissing the later part of the text which i presented in that discussion, Its from Qu'ran and they r accurate to the established scientific facts, and Qu'ran is written 1400 years ago. Only Bible text failed...
@MrNiceGuy (4143)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Except the Bible verses you listed don't say that, so you are either lying or misinformed. Earth has four corners: Isaiah 11:12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. Psalm 24:2 For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods Psalm 136:6 To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever. Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (this is obviously the four corners as in the cardinal directions, which is a common expression even today) Earth is flat: 1Chron 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. Ps 93:1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Jer 10:13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Psalm 96:10 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. Psalm 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Earth does not move: So which is it; Lies or misinformation? Not to mention the Quran was written hundreds of years after the Bible.
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• Australia
7 Feb 07
Well done, MrNiceGuy. I would also add Isaiah 40:22 which states the earth is round.
@urbandekay (18308)
24 Feb 07
Actually the shape of the earth is nearly spherical but deviates slightly, flattened and the poles and slightly pear, not egg shaped. All the best urban
• India
24 Feb 07
some Christian friend suggested that bible indeed says in one place Earth is Circle [Isaiah 40:22] but I never said Quran says earth as Circle..please read the original post
@urbandekay (18308)
24 Feb 07
If you read my post carefully you will see that I am not suggesting that you say it is a circle. You do, however claim it is egg shaped and in fact it is not. Rather it is very nearly a sphere and appears so from space but is in fact, ever so slightly pear shaped. all the best urban