Shape of Earth according to Bible and Qu'ran

Good response Manong. I agree the Bible isn't a textbook on science and astronomy, but isn't it amazing that where the Bible does mention these things, it is totally correct? The Bible told us so much about the tides, the winds, the lightning, the snow, the stars and so much more, many hundreds of years before our scientists "discovered" them.

Even the very first verse "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth and the earth was without form and void" is already amazing in itself. It speaks of a profound truth that modern science is only beginning to understand. We can cite hundreds more.

Manong, The Koran and Bible are two of the holy books in the world (where there are many holy books). Holy books have been produced and promoted by holy people and are accepted as a matter of faith by those who believe in them. Islam requires its adherents to accept the Koran in TOTO, and so do some of the more rabid Bible belivers. I do fully agree with you about any religious writer, whether the Bible or Koran setting out to write a manual on science or astronomy. I also like your note on making a stand for what you believe in without belittling others.

Don't forget that the verses he did quote, did not actually say what he says they do, as you can see.

I would submit that the Hellenic and Indus Valley civilzations as well as the Egyptians, Sumerians and Mesopotamians had links that predates the Scrolls. It is not until 1030 A.D. when Al-Baruni, a moslem mathematician discusses heliocentrism and refers to the Indian and Ptolemic systems of astronomy. Sorry - the dates just do not stack up.

The Verses which I gave with only references, and that U wrote in detail, nothing changes.. the verses do speak that the world has 4 corners, earth is flat, earth is not moving, if this is metamorphic and we should not take it literal, then why when it is said GOD as FATHER, u take it as literal biological father of Jesus ??? strange In the language of HEBREW son of GOD means Servant of GOD, but u want to take tat as literal and call Jesus as GOD child.. but wherever it doesn't suits your theory, u say its the ancient language style... wow hats off

friend, u dismissing the later part of the text which i presented in that discussion, Its from Qu'ran and they r accurate to the established scientific facts, and Qu'ran is written 1400 years ago. Only Bible text failed...

Except the Bible verses you listed don't say that, so you are either lying or misinformed. Earth has four corners: Isaiah 11:12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. Psalm 24:2 For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods Psalm 136:6 To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever. Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (this is obviously the four corners as in the cardinal directions, which is a common expression even today) Earth is flat: 1Chron 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. Ps 93:1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Jer 10:13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Psalm 96:10 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. Psalm 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Earth does not move: So which is it; Lies or misinformation? Not to mention the Quran was written hundreds of years after the Bible.

Well done, MrNiceGuy. I would also add Isaiah 40:22 which states the earth is round.

Muhammad is mentioned in those verses you say? Isiah 29:12 And if the document is given to one who cannot read and he is asked to read it, [a] he will say, "I can't read." John 14:16-17 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you. So again, lies or misinformation? You verses simply don't check out.

your Quote: "and if the document is given to the one who cannot read and he is asked to read it, he will say, 'I can't read'." [Isaiah 29:12] I don't know which version u referring. Let me post the version which I refer. "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, I am not Learned." [Isaiah 29:12 KJV] "And the book shall be given to the one that knoweth NO letters, and it shall be said to him, READ and he shall answer, I know NO Letters." [Isaiah 29:12 Douay-Rheims Version] "And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying read this, He says I cannot read." [Isaiah 29:12 RSV] now my arguments: Throughout the history of Jewish Prophets there have never been an Unlettered Prophet which this prophecy is talking about. Now let me relate the History of Muhammad: Muhammad's Experience in the Cave of Hira, and his response to the FIRST revelation is the EXACT fulfillment of the Biblical Verse under discussion. ACCORDING TO HISTORY: It was on a day towards the end of the month Ramadan [one of Arabic month] that Muhammad set off for the CAVE, he was so involved with his thoughts, he didn't notice the time passing, at the darkest time of the night, just before the dawn, he heard a voice. The voice grew louder and louder, it seemed to come from all directions. Muhammad Looked around, suddenly before him there was an angel. "READ", said the angel and Muhammad was stunned and replied "I am not Learned". The the angel squeezed Muhammad, and then released him and commanded 'READ' with fear his lips were shivering and he said louder, "I am not Learned". 'READ' said the angel "in the name of thy LORD who created man from a drop of blood: read in the name of the Almighty GOD who taught man the use of the pen and taught him what he knew not before..." Muhammad repeated the verses few times after the Angel, until he knew it perfectly word for word. to describe I can say it was like Gabriel put 'Word of GOD' in his mouth" as we find it in another place in bible: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, [Ishmael's] like unto thee, and will put my WORD IN HIS MOUTH; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him". [Deu 18:18] I will post my argument for John 14:16-17 in next post.

GOOD WORK: to explain some of the so called history and link between Alexandra and Arabs: but it seems still u were unaware of the another part of the history or biography of Prophet Muhammad: even the western Historians and non Muslim Arabs record that He is an Illiterate: and also Quran says: "Those who follow the Messenger, the prophet who can NEITHER READ NOR WRITE [UNLETTERED], whom they find mentioned in their own scripture(in the LAW[Isaiah 29:12] & the GOSPEL[John 14:16]); for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good[pure] and prohibits them from what is bad [impure]; He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the fetters [bindings]that are upon them. so it is those who believe in him, honor him, help him and follow the light[Al-Qu'ran] which is sent down with him, it is they who will be successful." [Quran 7:157]

If you read my post carefully you will see that I am not suggesting that you say it is a circle. You do, however claim it is egg shaped and in fact it is not. Rather it is very nearly a sphere and appears so from space but is in fact, ever so slightly pear shaped. all the best urban

some Christian friend suggested that bible indeed says in one place Earth is Circle [Isaiah 40:22] but I never said Quran says earth as Circle..please read the original post