Do you support President Bush or are you against him?

@avonrep1 (1862)
United States
February 8, 2007 7:53am CST
With what is going on in the world, I've been wondering how many people Support Bushes policies on the War? I am against it. I don't feel we should have ever went into Iraq. But I also have an inside look at what happened before 9/11. I was living at Fort Irwin(An Army base in CA) when Bush took office. The day after he took office, we went from training 2,000 soliders a month to 20,000 soliders a month in desert warfare. The rumors that were going around, was we were preparing to invade Iraq later that year. Then September 11th happened, President Bush used American's fears to get support for going to war. Most Americans, including myself had no problem going after the organization that plan the attacks on 9/11, but what I have a problem with, is being lied to and mislead. I am against the war and against any laws that lets Electorial vote's instead of the popular vote's determine who our president is.
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@hopefoo (1145)
• Malaysia
8 Feb 07
*sigh* Americans. Now, I'm not supporting wars but no matter how much we scream and shout, there will always be a war going on somewhere, be it small or big. Victory is only a short intereggnum before the next war. In President Bush's case, let's look at this with some empathy, He is the leader of the US right now. If he did not go to war with Afghanistan and Iraq, many too will blame him for not doing anything about the people who were killed during 9/11. Now it may be said that it's all about the oil and that there aren't any nuclear weapons there but so what? It may be about oil but the US is the only country in the world that could go to war and gain a country, along with it's oilfields (barring the brits..back in the day) and who's to say there aren't any nuclear weapons there? If they have uranium, they have nuclear weapons. It is necessary for US to reaffirm themselves as the 'big brother' lest they lose their credibility. I think we all need to cut Bush some slack. He's a politician afterall. That being said, we should all offer a prayer for those who lost their lives at war and/or because of the war. My condolences to all those family members who have lost their children/brother/husband/sister because those are the real casualties of war.
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• United States
9 Feb 07
I agree with what you said. I totally do! I think there was a reason behind everything. Sure we might be stuck in some places now. Our President had what he thought was best in mind when he went in there. And if nothing else, freeing those people from things that were really huring those country's was good for them. Isnt that what America is about? Welcoming and helping those who are both in the country and out? I pray nightly for those people who have people fighting in these wars. Yes the real casualties go out to those who have lost families in this!
@urbangirl (1461)
• Australia
9 Feb 07
It was very hard talking to some of my American friends just before the war in Iraq because I was against it and the feeling in the country ta the time was that there were links between Iraq and 9/11 and weapons of masss destruction. It didn't really matter how much I put across my views citing facts, it was seen as anti-American. Look at how the French were ridiculed and hated just because they disagreed with goign into Iraq - even to the point of French fries being renamed "Freedom Fries". This is hysteria in my view. And also, it was seen that if you were against the war, you were also against the troops. However, now that things are clearer about all the stuff that has been going on behind the scenes, they've done an about face. So be honest people - who here has done an about face - and have you learned anything at least in this exercise - ie. how easily you can be manipulated by media, using fear to believe something that is not true and how dissent can be wrongly interpreted as not loving your country.
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
9 Feb 07
Urbangirl you hit the nail on the head, at what I am trying to accomplish here. People's views are easily lead, that try to have an original thought and really think about whats going on and its been easy to see from the beginning, that the truths that were told were not indeed truth. Truth still stands for something. I don't know how much anymore, but as the saying goes "The truth shall set you free!" Our leaders need a real lesson in that. The American people aren't as stupid as people like to think. Look what flight 93 passengers did once they were aware of what was happening. They fought back. That is in our spirit, but should be be fighting else where, when we have issues here at home. If it comes here, we'll take care of it.
@urbangirl (1461)
• Australia
9 Feb 07
No - the people aren't stupid but there were many forces at work to keep dissenting voices from ever being heard (and even ridiculed)...and somehow it made people afraid to speak up or question things earlier. The beginning of the war also focussed on the superior technology the Americans had, NOT the potential loss of life. Maybe to detract from the reality of war. Also, if you are saturated with news every day presenting opinion and allegations as fact, it would be very hard for at least some of it to not to be absorbed as fact. Some Americans still to this day believe there were Iraqi links to 9/11.
@Willowlady (10665)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Would take Bush over Clinton YUCK and Gore YEEE..Hopefully the country does get a better choice this next time. Sometimes it is the lesser of the evils presented. Like this site there is a formula used to plot out the votes (like our earnings) so that the election has the chance to go better. Electronic voting may become a nightmare! The war, we did some of what we should be done with now. There are other factions becoming a larger threat. We are busy in Iraq. We have been lied to and misled for years. Nothing new this time. Glad we can agree and disagree and stay cordial, thanks for creating this discussion.
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@msqtech (15075)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I don't want to be a part of doing the right things for the wrong reasons. I am proud of what we did in Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, and Bosnia. I am angered that we allow all the murder, rape, slavery, and, genocide occur in Africa; without supporting a United Nations effort to stop the terror and violence that is being perpetrated upon the citizens of those nations. I think we should have learned from history not to make the misteaks we have in Afghanistan and IRAQ. Many people cautioned but no one listened. The US should not be in the business of supporting governments that the citizens of that country don't support. This is how we have ended up in all the problem areas that we currently have. I am appalled that we see no moral reason to support the UN in ending world strife.
@Willowlady (10665)
• United States
11 Feb 07
So true Msqtech. am hoping we can get out and move on smarter for it. Work at repairing relations and not support unstable dictators.
@verbose (87)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I need to find a nice wya to say this. Bush has led us into 2 wars 1 in Afghanstan where we will be there for 100 years. No 1 in history has conquered this country and we may with the current Govt hope to subdue the rebels in 30 or 40 years. He then led us into a war with Iraq and invaded I believe with 178,000 troops when the Chief od Staff said to defeat Saddam and comtrol the country we would need 450-500,000 troops. He was demoted by Rumsfield and more pliant person was put into office. We will feel the affects of both invasions for at 25 years and probally out 100 years as the Sunni-Shite civil spreads to many other Middle east Countries. We already see the affects in Lebanon. So in my humble opionion Bush is an Idiot
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I have to agree with you on that one. He is an Idiot!
@4404599 (108)
• Pakistan
8 Feb 07
I am against BUSH. His polices are not so good.He is mad man. He has no thinking. Just Mad person he has gareed of oil
@TerryZ (22082)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Thats how I feel and Ive always been against having him as president. I didnt vote for him sometimes I get a feeling about people that something is just not right with them and it turns out Im always right. Now that war in Iraq has been a mistake from day 1. If we continue the way we are going we are going to in for a rude awakening.
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Yeah I feel that his desisions will bring full war to our country.
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@Destiny007 (5819)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Just before I left Fort Hood to start my tour in Germany we were already changing from jungle green to desert tan. This was in 1976. Don't try laying all of this on Bush. We have known for years that our next series of conflicts would be in desert areas. This was about the same time that Iran thought it would be a good idea to take a few hostages. With the knowledge that we now have, I don't think we went into Iraq for the right reasons. Saddam was pulling a big bluff on the UN and the rest of the world at large. He had been sanctioned numerous times by the UN, but they don't have the courage of their convictions. We called his bluff, and we hunted him down like the dog he was. He wound up losing everything because he thought no one could touch him. There were a great many people there who were glad we came and who were glad to be rid of him. The ones who are not, are the ones who used to benefit at the expense of their fellow Iraqis. The other ones are the ones who traditionall are anti American to begin with. Look at the profiles of the replies and you will see what I am saying. As far as the Electoral College is concerned, the electors can vote any way that they want to even if it goes against a popular vote. We have this little thing called a Constitution that says so. As I recall, it was finally determined that Gore actually lost the popular vote by a narrow margin. Where does anyone get the the idea that the Constitution was only written to last 200 years? The Framers of the Constitution allowed for necessary changes by a vehicle known as Amendments. Their biggest fear when they wrote it was that the Judicial Branch would destroy what they were trying to achieve through bad decisions that would then erode the rights and protections that the Constitution provided. If you look back through our history you will find that their fears were justified. Originally, the power was supposed to flow from the people, to the states, and finally to the Federal level. Today it is opposite of that. Income tax is done at the Federal level, states are held hostage by having funding held back unless they comply with the Federal will, and laws are passed without our consent or support. The Constitution was written to set limits on the Federal Government and not bolster it's power. As far as Irag is concerned, Bush may have wanted to go there, but Congress gave the approval to go. They voted on it, and they approved it. Wrong or not, they approved it, so it was not only Bush's decision to go,but theirs as well. Some are trying to say they was misled and now have changed their attitude. Do we really want someone who is so easily fooled running our country? I think not! Finally, it must be remembered that the US is not a democracy in the true sense of the word. The US is a Representative Republic. Instead of 1 person 1 vote, we elect our Representatives and Senators to do our voting for us. That is why some of the decisions they come up with are not what we intended at all. When that happens, the best we can do is hope that we find someone who will work for us the next election.
@msqtech (15075)
• United States
8 Feb 07
If it can be proven that they had an underlying reason to go to war with IRAQ especially prior to 9/11 then we should be impeaching them for the lies they told. I don't support the war in IRAQ and I never have. This does not mean I don't support our troops. I do think the current administrations protestations that we are unpatriotic if we disagree with them is and has always been wrong, and unpatriotic of them. We should have focussed on getting the people who attacked us and not lost that focus. Now we are losing in IRAQ and Afghanistan and no one seems to notice. If we fail to follow the Geneva Convention we are telling the world it is okay to treat or mistreat any US citizen any way they choose to do. We need to make it our policy to treat people as we want them to treat our citizens always. We don't need to tell Soldiers that some other rule applies. We have never in our history lost so much of our Bill of Rights as we have under this administration and we need to address this as well. I am particularly upset with the slight of hand that they perform. They state one policy while performing another. They are rewriting policy instead of changing it by legislation. Effectively changing enforcement without getting approval. I am a Republican who used to be proud to say so. Now I seem to be part of a party which sees no problem with bankrupting america and leaving the social agenda disintegrate and have no respect for anyone outside our borders, and, less respect than should be for those within them.
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Our Consitution was only suppose to be good for 200 years then needed to be rewritten according to our founding fathers. Thats part of the problem. It hasn't been, which in turn will in the long run, if it isn't rewritten to civil war here in the US. Wonder if I will still be alive when it happens? Something to ponder on.
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
9 Feb 07
I believe that Ben Franklin said this, I not 100% for sure on this, but I agree strongly with this statement. "To question your government is not unpatriotic-to not to question your government is unpatriotic. Most would agree he was a very smart man.
@gemirios (55)
• Pakistan
8 Feb 07
well...i'm also totally against not only Mr.Bush but also the Bush Administration. Actually to open the fact to all the americans, the bush family has a huge profit percentage in weapon developing firms and also the oil companies. The bush administration went to war with iraq to make profits for their own gud at the cost of their own ppls lives :P .... this is butchering ur own ppl and thinking bout ur own interest. Has anyone even realized that on the morning of 9/11, 4000 jews did not show-up....ever wondered why??
• United States
9 Feb 07
what???????? this war is NOT about oil and making a profit. and come on, how can you sit there and say jews didnt come into work on 9/11?? PLEASE, dont type while you are drunk. You will only end up embarrassing yourself.
• United States
9 Feb 07
Also, it's the people's decision, and from there it's the people's fault. If the people knew that G.W. Bush was inexperienced, and if the people knew he was bad at being a president, then why did they choose him? That didn't make any sense! I mean, why vote for a son-president who has less experience and doesn't know what he's doing than his father-president? It's senseless!
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@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
9 Feb 07
He isn't in office because of popular vote, he was put into office from electorial votes. Which isn't right or fair. It should be majority rules, but in America we have lost that freedom of really voting in a president.
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@lpetges (3036)
• United States
8 Feb 07
this is a very touchy subject since mylot is from around the world. It would appear that Bush had good intentions, and is the leader of our contry at this time-so support is necessary. I am glad that we will have a new president in the next election. But, if you think the next president won't lie or mislead you, your not very old! That is called politics. Since you feel so strongly about the war, make sure you get out and vote-not just for president, but all of the senate as well. Your vote counts. That is what the USA is about.
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@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
9 Feb 07
I'm a history buff. I love this country and what its stands for. I know they lie. I do go out and vote every election and have since I was 18. I encourage my friends to get out and vote also. Very few speak truth instead of lies. I can only think of one right now off the top of my head, and he is a local here in Indiana is the DA now.
• Pakistan
8 Feb 07
Well I'm against him and I was from the start, under his rule countless number of lives have been lost, be it the American soldiers or the Iraqi civilians both had to pay dearly and still they both are suffering. The war started wirh Osama and then it went to Saddam and now judging by the new Iran is in danger. Just because of that America has lost respect in the Middle East and many other countries. So many people had to suffer for one man's cause. The foreign relationship is also in turmoil and Bush is going haywire! I hope that things get back to normal.
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@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I here you there. I hope so to. But the next election isn't till 2008 and what does it matter. The popular vote was not for Bush. He one from electorial Votes. Its wrong and that is what the major problem in the US is.
@Macthedj (630)
9 Feb 07
I am from the UK and I would always put my support behind Bush, fair enough the way he does things may not always command the support of some Americans but he gets the message across and does what he thinks is right for his country. America needs a president like that due to its power.
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@glider (12)
• Switzerland
9 Feb 07
As European citizen (Swiss), I don't like your president. I think he is stupid and irresponsible. I don't like the US world politic at all. The Americans are lied to. For me, the main reason for the war in Iraq was economical (oil!!). In the past, the US was supporting Iraq against Iran! Without any economical reason, the US army dosen't bring "peace" anywhere on the planet! I think that Bush politic is very negative for all Americans. American people are less liked in the world since they are fighting in Iraq. The hate against Amis grows world wide and I can understant that. In Switzerland, we have the chance to vote to determine our government and to accept or decline new laws. This is the only authentic democracy in the world.
• Australia
9 Feb 07
As an Australian my view of him is probably a bit different(or judging by the responses maybe not), but i think he is stupid, greedy little man who is sacrificing lives for a war his daddy couldn't finish. The sad thing is our government is even worse. They just blindly follow him. I'm not sure if people in other countries are even aware of this, but there is an Australian in Guantanamo Bay by the name of David Hicks. He has been in there for 5 years with no charges bought against him, and our government will do nothing to bring him back. It's disgraceful.
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• Australia
8 Feb 07
I am Austraian , but if I was Americian I would not be !
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@mjsdls (1840)
• United States
8 Feb 07
To many people want to blame Bush for everything that goes wrong in this country. Even the weather, how lame is that. Bush I believe is doing what he believes is write to protect the USA. If we have gotten into office some that has been named I believe that we would be worse shape than we are now. Everyone wants to blame Bush for 911. Hey guys he just got into office. Think about it - who was in charge before him? The comment made about the constitution was wrong. Our nation and constitution was founded on God - the Father of Abraham Issac and Jacob. That is what is wrong with the USA we have kicked God out of everything. Then we wonder why all these disasterous things are happening. Wake up America!
@harwoodkp (285)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I would have to say I support Bush in what he is doing. What we dont realize is that there are a lot of things going on that we will never know about, because they are secrets. For example, I thought the missle lauches that Clinton sent were to take our minds of monaca lewinski. Time has shown he was actually trying to get osama bin laden. We all need to get off our soap boxes and support our presidents, even if we dont like the.
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• Pakistan
8 Feb 07
well i'm also against the policies of Bush, it doesnt match with the slogan that this is for peace, and is against terror...
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@carlaabt (3505)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I support Bush. The rumors that were going around about invading Iraq were going around long before Bush stepped up to the plate. Maybe they became stronger because Bush is stronger and was more likely to actually do something than Clinton? But you know what, I supported Clinton, too. He was president of my country, too. And even if I don't agree with everything someone does, it doesn't mean I shouldn't support them. And if you are against being lied to misled you are probably against any president that we've ever had. If the entire population knew everything that the President knows, there would be panic all the time. Not all people need to know everything. Paranoia is very real, even when people don't have the facts. Giving all the facts will only add to the problem. You or your husband, are now, or were previously, in the military I assume. Did you know everything that was going on on your military base? Of course not, unless you were a commander. Did you rebel and shout about anything that you didn't agree with? Of course not. It's not accepted. There are things that you didn't need to know. It's the same in any organization. Including a country. If you want to know about all the threats and everything, run for office. Become a top dog. Otherwise, just reseach carefully what is known to the general public and make your opinions based on that. And don't believe everything the media tells you. I assure you there is a vast difference in what a military newspaper says and what national news channels say. You have to research both and decide on your own which parts are true of each.
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I blame Clinton too. If he would have acted more aggressively after the USS Cole was attacked 9/11 may have be stopped. And for you all who say I am not a good American, wrong. A good American questions their leaders and says when something is not right. That is what being an American is. The Preamble to the Consitution states. WE THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES. Key word WE We hasn't mattered in a hundred years, when they took the vote out of the people's hands. Electorial Votes, there was no such thing in the beginning. I have done my research on this subject, not just news and TV. Military papers, international papers, and first hand accounts of our military members. Just because I am not supportive of our current President and his actions and his admistrations actions (Congress and the Senate included they did sign off) have been wrong. Built on lies. I have been preaching that since 9/11 happened to my friends and family. It's wrong. We are in Iraq because Bush Sr. didn't get the job done the first time, not because of the lies we have been told. Questioning your government is the best way to be patriotic to any country. If the people of the country won't question them and tell them they are wrong, they are doing nothing for our country.
@carlaabt (3505)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I am not saying that you are a bad American. I just think that we should support our government, even if we don't agree with everything. And I think a lot of people abuse their power to speak against things they oppose. I'm not saying you are doing that, but many people are. Whether you agree with the decision to go to war or not, you need show our troops that you support them. Many of them feel that no one supports them. And most of the ones I've talked to, think that we are truly needed in Iraq. Many Iraqi nationals appreciate us being there. I saw in one of your other posts that your son's father likes helping the kids but opposes the war. If we pull out, who is going to help those kids? We've created a big mess. We need to clean it up. It isn't fair to all the Iraqi nationals that are trying to right their lives, for us to pull out and leave them with no protection.
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I'm am so sick and tired of hearing who is going to help them if we don't. How about them helping themselves. When we were being dictated to by England we rose up as a country and helped ourselves. France did get involved near the end of the conflict, but it was the Americans that stood up for themselves. I think that thats what these people need to do for themselves. I feel bad for the people that live there that are innocent, but does that mean we have to support and protect them. What would the US be like if our government gave that aid to the people who are here in the US that are homeless, have no food, or no clothing. I just feel that its wrong to worry about other countries and taking care of their people when we don't even take care of our own.
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@musaib (84)
• India
9 Feb 07
yeah,as we all know bush is a criminal..he hanged saddam for the killing of some 100+ shia's...but what should be the punishment to him for killing the iraq totally,he has distributed iraq into shia and sunni muslims,,he (bush) thinks that he is the king of the world but thats no true..as everybody knows that bush wants to be the only big power in the world ..he will pe punished by GOD very severly, i always pray to GOD(ALLAH) that give punishment to bush so that no other bush should born in this world...he has hanged saddam hussain for killing his country people but bush had killed many much people in almost 6 countries,,as every body knows...thus any body thaught that how he will die...?
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
9 Feb 07
He our president noone wants him to die. Maybe be impeached, but that is a little rough. I hate the guy to, but the killing he is resposible for will come back to haunt him. Karma is a nasty thing when you are in the wrong.
• United States
9 Feb 07
Bush did not hang Saddam, the Iraqis hung him, after they tried him. It would be better if you would get the facts right, so you would at least look like you know what you are talking about. Avonlady, as someone who claims to be a student of history, I am surprised that you did not catch this error. Was it intentional, or did you just get caught up in the hyperbole?
@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
9 Feb 07
I think what the person was getting at was that if Bush didn't invade Iraq Saddam would still be in power and would have never been tried by the Iraqi's and that he couldn't have been hung if he hadn't been tried. So its on Bush's hands. It wasn't that I didn't catch it, I just understand that view point as I understand all the view expressed, except one. they responed something like Cat, Dog, something. Which wasn't even with the topic of the post.