Prove me that god exists ??

India
February 14, 2007 6:08am CST
An Athesit asked me a question stating " How will you prove me that god does exists?" He want only logical answer and not any part or scripture from The Bible or The Quran. I asked him to prove that god doesnot exists and this was his reply "look,dont make silly arguments,logic always says that u cant prove something wrong." And also he says that it is easy to prove that which is unseen and god is unseen.. So friends can you help me how to logically explain him that GOD do exist!!
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53 responses
• India
14 Feb 07
you cannot really prove God's existence. You cannot disprove either. But 'by proof' if you meant to say that because of such and such things we can reasonably deduce this, then I think we can reasonably infer the existence of God. One might have to ask question like how did the universe come into existence? BIG BANG. How did the energy and mass that Banged came into existence. THROUGH NOTHIG. Well nothing can bring nothing into existence. GOD is the most reasonable answer. Is human being composed of matter alone? NO. We have mind, not just matter. How did this mind come into existence? Just by electron and neutron and proton and so on hitting together. No it can't be because if it is so we still are atoms and molecules put together. A Cosmic Mind must have been there...and that Cosmic Mind must be GOD. If twenty marksmen shoot a man tied hundred metres away, and they all missed. What does the man say? They missed by chance or they must have planned that way? PLANNED. Similarly, if universe and human being are in a highly complicated way designed, what do we say? By chance or We are PLANNED? Planned by God. ( I borrow this idea from William Lane Craig) There are many more points but these should suffice.
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
14 Feb 07
He Headhunter, just a point of detail here - there was no "big bang". It's nonsense, and has been irrefutably proven to be so. The whole notion of a "big bang" has been built around the "red shift" theory that says the farther something is away, the faster it's moving away from us. Turns out it's a load of rubbish. It has been PROVEN to be utter codswallop. Yet the universities keep teaching it, and the professors keep getting government grants to do research based on it, because it's become an article of "scientific" dogma that they can't extricate themselves from. Too many careers built on it, too many reputations depend on it, too many books published about it, too much money already poured into it... You know yourself just how indignant you probably feel when I make the statement that there was no "big bang". That's the power of "scientific" dogma at work - an article of religious faith, no less. Nevertheless, there wasn't any "big bang". Not that there's anything wrong with that - God doesn't need to operate within our human understanding of time and space. He DID invent all these things, you know.
• India
1 Mar 07
I would be interested to know which cosmogonical model you adhere to. You don't believe in BIG BANG, but what is your evidence? I think Big Bang is the reigning model. Even if Big Bang model fails to work my argument from the law of causality still holds. And you did not refute that. I would be interested if you would show a more coherent argument in support of your point, just finding loopholes in other people's argument without giving any positive contribution is not very healthy...what do you think?
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
14 Feb 07
This is a bit like that question "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Supposedly it's a question that can't be answered - but of course there IS a correct answer, namely the EGG. Simple logic proves this - all chickens come from eggs, but not all eggs come from chickens. So if there was a time when there weren't any chickens, we all know that there were plenty of eggs, and if a chicken suddenly appeared from somewhere, it had to be from one of those eggs. Don't ask me how - maybe a crocodile got raped by an ostrich or something... Anyway, the point is that ALL questions DO have a correct answer, with the application of suitable logic. If you want to prove that God exists, then you firstly have to agree on who or what God is, in order to establish that there is sufficient evidence to confirm His existence. If there's no agreement on who or what God is, then the question has no substance - it's not even a valid question without that first step. I personally see the evidence of God's existence around us everywhere, every day. He is the Life that creates and sustains all of our reality. Just the miracle of life itself is ample evidence of a superior creative intelligence which underlies all things. The totality of human ingenuity since the dawn of time is incapable of authoring something so marvellous, so completely perfect and miraculous as the simplest plant! Many people would argue that humans can "create" such things, but we cannot - the best we can do is play around with and modify what we've already been freely given by God. We have nothing that has not been given to us - including the spark which lives in each of us from cradle to grave. If you want a more formal prof - then get a signed affadavit confirming God's identity. Then you'll have a signed form which carries human authority that God is who He says He is. But a personal interview would probably carry more credibility. Here's one more suggestion. If you met an Angel, you would have no doubt that God exists, because each Angel is a reflection of God's infinite, perfect nature. That's what Angels are - don't piss them off, because they can kick butt if they choose to. But they only reveal themselves according to God's intentions. And the OTHER Angels - the fallen ones - you really don't want to meet. Trust me on that. If you do encounter one of them, I guarantee you'll get religion real fast. So bottom line is - God will prove to your friend that He exists if it suits God to do so. Otherwise your friend is going to have to settle for the indirect evidence which is around all of us in great abundance, and maybe just a little bit of personal conviction.
• China
15 Feb 07
Wow,so many ways you have given here to prove the existence of GOD!But the dificulty of finding a convincing proof is steal there since GOD is in theists minds. It is a matter of humans belief.So we cant really prove that.never!
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
14 Feb 07
Ask your atheis buddy if knows that humans need oxygen in order to survive. If he correctly answers "yes", then ask him why he believes he is breathing oxygen (air) that he cannot see?
@Ciniful (1587)
• Canada
15 Feb 07
Bad analogy. We know oxygen exists, there is evidence to prove it. His friend didn't ask him to provide proof that god is viewable, he asked for proof of existence. Or are you refuting there is scientific proof of oxygen now?
• United States
16 Feb 07
Yes, Ciniful, we know that oxygen/air exists - because without it we cannot survive. However, there is, so far, no pure scientific method for arriving to this conclusion. I believe the scientific approach was waived in this aspect because die-heart scientists saw the fatuity of their rigid scientific approach. Something that is odorless, colorless and shapeless just cannot be seen. The proofs we have on oxygen/air are simply convalent and ionic - bonded elements and not pure oxygen/air! For example: when one exhales on a very cold day, one can see a cloudy element, just as in the cloud that forms during the water evaporation process (especially when very rain fall is followed by sunshine in the sea of water we are always walking in). Anyway, I assumed that when Yzone_asginc's atheist friend asked for a logical answer, he was invoking the scientific approach, which in essence stresses observable data. Thus, my analogy: If the scientific world can believe in oxygen/air that it truly cannot see, then it ought to be able to believe (or else explain) the constant order in nature in the world, if there exists no Almighty, Supreme Being.
@WebMann (4731)
• Canada
14 Feb 07
People that ask for proof of the existence of God just need to be told to continue the way they are going and they will find all the proof they need. And then just walk away smiling.
• India
14 Feb 07
thanks for helping me
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• Philippines
14 Feb 07
The only "thing" that can prove God's existence is thru FAITH. Faith, according to Bible, is the proof of things to come; the SUBSTANCE of the UNSEEN. However, as far as logic is concern, Pascal's Wager PROVES that it is more logical to believe in God than not.
• United States
18 Feb 07
Good! There are actually 20 logical arguments for the existence of God. I'm not going to list them all here, but if you have the time and brain power, read The Handbook of Christian Apologetics: Hundreds of Answers to Crucial Questions by Peter Kreeft and Ronald K. Tacelli. It's a very good book, but I don't suggest reading it when you're tired or after you have thought a lot. It requires very hard thinking. It'll wear you out almost as much as a hard workout in the gym, but it's very good and very useful. I made an outline of certain chapters on my xanga site; feel free to stop by and check it out. The site is www.xanga.com/summersnamsake/535912436/handbook-of-christian-apologetics.html. There's more...www.xanga.com/summersnamsake/537026301/handbook-of-christian-apologetics.html and www.xanga.com/summersnamsake/537601725/twenty-arguments-for-the-existence-of-god-cont.html. And I strongly recommend the book...
• United States
14 Feb 07
Wow. There are so many ways to answer this question. The best, simply way to prove it is to look into the face of a newborn baby. They are so beautiful, small, and perfect. Only God could create something as remarkable as this. We are all made in his image and likeness, and babies are a great example of his infinite beauty and perfection. Hope this helps!
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• India
14 Feb 07
i respect ur thoughts its very good only a believer can feel how true it is.... :
@funfreak2k2 (1734)
• India
16 Feb 07
it is true that you cannot show God to him or anybody. Tell him that logic and reasoning have to stop somewhere and thats the point where faith reigns. faith will stand every reason. if there is no faith, no logic or reason can convince things like this. all questions are answered because you believe. Not only that he does not have faith, but he is unwilling to believe either. Leave alone becoming a believer. An thiest should be open-minded, should be ready to think from the angle of the believers.
• India
16 Feb 07
nice answer !!
• India
15 Feb 07
Hi, Slap that person and ask him whether it is paining. If he says yes, ask him to show pain. Tell him that God can only be felt like pain and not seen.
@Ciniful (1587)
• Canada
15 Feb 07
Pain has proof, sorry. Nerves in the skin react to the sensory interuption, blood coagulates beneath the skin, bruises can form. A lot of you are mistaking the idea of "proof" as being able to see it. That's not what was said. The word used was PROVE he exists. Not "show me him" .. just prove there is one. Every example used in this discussion is about things that can't be seen, but yet CAN be proven .. oxygen, wind, pain. All of these are proven. They have evidence backing their existences. Can you say the same for your God?
• Egypt
14 Feb 07
thank you ...god bless you
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• India
16 Feb 07
hey....ask him whether he has seen Russia. if not, how come he believes it to be existing? ask him his birth date. if he says 12/3/1978 or something like that...ask hi,m why do he believes that date to be his real birth date?!! if he says my parents told me, then ask him, in the sme way only, our ancestors have told us that God do exist. just lemme meet this person once, i have many questions (like the above stated) to ask him n ask him for proof.
• India
16 Feb 07
You can meet him anytime friend !!Following are the details I found him in Orkut Profile - http://orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=15355860698394814504 Forum Discussion - http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=3126&tid=2515440331744525411
@Cephoozee (373)
• United States
15 Feb 07
Ask him if he's ever seen an act of kindness, or a child being born. OR that people fall in love and have the feeling of eternal ecstasy when being with their true love. I think he will still argue with you, but it will make him/her think. And on a personal take, I believe there is no way to prove God exists, God is something you believe in without logic, but with Faith, that's what makes it beautiful. I'm sure if you ever loved someone, and I mean, truly loved someone, you could name a bunch of reasons why, but when it comes down to it, you just do. God is that love, and love comes from God. Therfore, God exists because of love.
@Merjen (17)
• Philippines
15 Feb 07
Him, as a human being is already a reason that God does really exist. Did he not think about that?
@Ciniful (1587)
• Canada
15 Feb 07
How is that proof? I'm almost positive his mother and father made him, not God. Unless you can prove, with evidence, that God worked some magic to bring you into existence, I'm going to also assume that your mother and father created you. I know for a fact my mother and father created me. My mothers body nourished me and grew me, and I was born from her. Not God. Now, you may claim God created the first humans, but you'd still have to provide proof for that.
• Philippines
15 Feb 07
Only God could create...without HIm nothing exists...just consider his body...try to read a book on anatomy...u will be amazed on how the cells, the nerves, the veins, the different parts of the body operates.how our body perfectly operates proves that there is a wonderful and perfect God who created us...if there is no God, where did he come from?
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@irkhan (80)
• India
10 Mar 07
God Do Exist & the correct defination for God is-‘La ilaaha il lallah’ meaning ‘there is no God BUT ALLAH’ LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods. If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam. Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse. (You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details) QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all. Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God. If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it. SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?
• Pakistan
15 Feb 07
Well lets see that Sun,moon, day night e.t.c. are non-living. Then Why they are carrying out their duties without a difference of single second. Some one shuold be behind All this who could manage the system of this whole World. Only God Is managing Them and He Is managing all the order of this world. Something You may not see but You can feel its Existense.
@angnima (772)
• Nepal
15 Feb 07
He said that you have proved something which is unseen and easy. Now, it is your turn to prove something which is seen. Obviously, he is challenging you to prove something visible. I sugeest you to prove that you do exist in this earth. (This is my help for you . Do not take it otherwise.) Then he may agree you. Otherwise, leave this discussion unsolved and post or reply other discussions because this discussion is very dangerous. You can choose my discussions. You are welcome.
• Philippines
15 Feb 07
Dear yzone I encounter an Atheist ,a person don't believe in God & you know we reach to the point that we argue even its clear that there is GoD they will just let your heart ache.In my case I really believe in God. Practically speaking the air we breath,the water the food & evrything in this world comes from God.
@vokey9472 (1486)
• United States
15 Feb 07
My mother's physics teacher told her that almost all the scientists he knows believe in the existence of God based on the findings of science. When you look at the cellular and molecular levels of all things in creation, you find common things. For instance, we share many common elements of DNA with several other mammals, yet we are the humans. How is it possible that we can share so many common DNA traits and yet be so different from other species? How is it possible that so many other species share so much common DNA and yet are so different from one another? GOD. When you really study the molecular structure of things, you see that it is impossible for it to have been chance. It is too perfect. The way plants work, the way animals work, how we are built, how animals survive, the fact that some creatures eat only plants, some breathe underwater, it is all too perfect to have just been chance. Therefor, only a supreme being, GOD, could have created our world as it is. As a scientist, the teacher, told his class, that the more you learn about science the more it proves that God exists. While there are those scientists who denounce God, there are more scientific minds that believe in God's existence based on what they have learned through science and research. As one of the science teachers at school said, "how can you look at the world around you and not believe in God? His existence is proven in your fingerprints. Each one of your has a set that is unique from any other human's that has ever existed. How is that possible when we all share the same basic DNA that makes us human.?"
• Australia
15 Feb 07
I believe in God with all that i am...my friend trust me when i say He is real because if you have faith you too will live an eternal life
@LeXDei (209)
• Philippines
15 Feb 07
The fact that a person asks of God's inexistence impliedly means that he recognizes God's existence.