Take care to not judge- a discussion about spirituality

United States
February 14, 2007 3:31pm CST
I am reading a lot of discussions about religion. People have religion confused with spirituality. This is not to say that one cannot find religion is spirituality, nor that spirituality cannot be found in religion. However, I would like to know where it is said that judging another person based soley on their beliefs is somehow sanctified by God. Where in the Bible does it state that it is fine to exclude people from your circle of being simply because of their religious beliefs?
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• United States
17 Feb 07
I think anyone in an organized religion is a robot. I don't care who they are. Most do not know true spirituality while conforming to what a man in front of the church is saying. I would much rather be around spiritual people reguardless if we agree, than people of religion. I would assume that excluding people based on their religious beliefs could actually be made pretty clear right in the Ten Commandments. You know, the one about not worshipping idols or other gods. So, as a commandment in the Bible, I would think that if people worship differently than what is written, it would be bad to affiliate yourself with others based on their beliefs. This is actually pretty narrow minded now that I think about it. I hope that made sense......
• United States
18 Feb 07
Of course it made sense. What you have described is the way that many religious organizations do things these days. The last group of people who should be practicing exclusivity are those who are responsible for teaching spiritual enlightenment through means of religious teachings and mythological studies of the gods and goddesses and where in each of our lives those teachings and myths have place for. What I do not understand is that there is an entire population of people in this world who never question what they have faith in. You know me well enough to know that I am a firm believer in God, but also that I do believe we all take on different personalities which some studies refer to as "the goddesses". It is not until certain sets of people decide that what they deem as different is also evil that any one system of beliefs becomes exclusive. I recently started doing a compare and contrast, just for fun, using the examples for research that were given to the student body for the degree program which I am studying in. In it I use the different religious groups here in Silver Lakes as the core groups for study. I am trying to find out what it is that draws certain people to each church group beside the beliefs. It should be interesting to see what I come up with. You can see the very core differences in each set of congregants. At the church here on the other side of Strawberry, just from what sorts of cars are in the parking lot, one can see clearly that this is a group who is affluent, conservative and dutiful. Across the street from me, where the other group meets, there is a more mixed set of people who come from a varied economic background. Also, it seems as though the first group is different from the second in that the first is an established church with national affiliation, and that the other one is a grassroots type. My point in this is that - *Stereotypes such as the ones which you have clearly pointed out are evident in BOTH groups of people. I know this because I hear it in the conversations between congregants from either church. It is almost an "us versus them" sort of thing going on, where one church is trying to outdo the other in terms of whose goals are more community serving and most of all, sacred in the eyes of God. That I would purposely mention goddesses to anyone involved in either group was telling in that from both sets I got the same "You should know better than to even believe that goddesses are REAL!" and "Do you also believe in faeries, also?" To which I would always reply "do not point out the splinter in my eye before you seek to pull out the stump in your own." Religious people are very cliquish. This also is something else that I note between either set of people is that if they were pitted against one another, there most certainly would be competition between the two groups for who was going to be more (fill in the blank) than the other. However, if given the chance, it is my opinion that very surely both groups would combine their efforts to make sure that someone who practices spirituality in the manner I do -freely and without fear of where my soul will end up if I do not follow a mainstream religion- were to say something in defense of my own beliefs, both groups would do what they could not only to tell me that I am wrong and that I am going to hell for my ways, but in my opinion would also go so far as to try to "save" me from my worldly, Cosmic beliefs. I was told one time that even calling God by the Hawaiian translation of His Name (Akua) is a sure shot into the lake of fire for me. TO which you KNOW I asked where they got that guy-in-a-powdered-wig-and-an-ugly-dress type mentality.
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• United States
25 Feb 07
I figure originally the world religions began on a profound thought someone had, or profound truth someone found or revealed.. Then they have been passed down through many human hands, so I know they have changed.. and also they are made up of humans.. and of course too, anything popular and of the people will be infiltrated and used.. off and on.. But at the beginning was the kernal.. I think 'in the end' we'll find the truth is a beautiful tapestry of all of them weaved toghether (the ideal and best of the beginning of each one). I'm happy I don't belong to a group, church, etc.. though I've never met any people of them I didn't like. It doesn't bother me if we disagree on what's right and wrong, or what our attitude should be on it, I just don't bring it up. Though I spose I was a little harsher back when I was justifying, or maybe felt I should justify 'breaking away' even tho I never really belonged..
• United States
25 Feb 07
Very good post! Thanks a lot!!
• United States
15 Feb 07
I don't think all religions do this, but certainly some do. Personally, my own spiritual quest, many years ago, revealed to me that a religious affiliation is totally unnecessary to achieving spirituality.
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• United States
16 Feb 07
Indeed! Religion and spirituality go hand in hand, but one does not mean that the other follows. I think that many people are born into a belief that they later question and eventually find their own way. I did.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
25 Feb 07
Definitely, I agree. I guess I'm really lucky because I don't know anybody who judges people because of their religion. Most think their belief or faith is the true one, otherwise they wouldn't believe in it, be it science, philosophy or religion.. I'm thinking there's likely tolerant and intolerant in every one of them.. And I guess the intolerant ones figure they were born 'enlightened' or 'good' or saved..
@cuddleme01 (2725)
• Philippines
25 Feb 07
religion or a person's beliefs is only a portion of the totality of a person. it is not proper to judge someone on the basis of that alone. it is not a proper gauge. we should not judge others based on their religious beliefs neither should we exclude people on account of the differences our religions or beliefs have. how can we reach out to these people if we exclude them from our group of friends? how can we share our faith to them if we treat them as enemies? i mean, i am a christian and as much as i could i like to share my faith to others and hope they will listen and i can bring another soul to GOD. to do this, i do not exclude others having opposing beliefs to mine.
• United States
25 Feb 07
I believe that there are Christians who are spiritual in their beliefs, and then there are the ones who are like Pharisees, standing in public places,preaching to the masses the benefits of being part of a Christian network instead of being a Christian - period. I think you and I would probably be really great friends and it is because you have this understanding that not all people are going to believe as you do, and certainly there are going to be people in this world who are not going to have the same vision of God as I will. Thank you for your well thought out post!
@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
22 Feb 07
Well... I'll try to keep my soapbox in my pocket... :-D A good friend of mine, who's actually a Lutheran MINISTER, once said to me: "Sitting in some church every Sunday morning doesn't make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car." I don't follow a religion, in part because my personal life philosophy doesn't really match any ONE religion, but also in large part because I feel put off by some of the "internal hypocrisies" that run rampant within many "organized" religions. The one that bugs me most is the notion that we are encouraged to "have a personal relationship with God," yet... the very SAME religions that say this five minutes later tell us that the only way to have that relationship is through the "middle men" called "priests" and "church." WTF???? The thing about most religion (and this is just my OPINION) is that it often doesn't bring people "closer" to God, it actually REMOVES them one step from the direct experience of God, through an assortment of external "rituals" and "pomp and circumstance." The key phrase here is "direct experience," and that's why I started with that quote from my friend. I lived in the southern US for many years, and it always amazed me how some of the Southern Baptist congregations would feud. Here were groups of believers-- from the SAME branch of Christianity-- teaching people about a "loving God," and in the next breath condemning to eternal hellfire some other congregation for interpreting scripture in a "wrong" way that would "anger God." WTF???? I'm not saying that people shouldn't "get religion," if it gives their lives meaning and they gain inner peace. But I do think it's important to not just "follow blindly." Faith is great, but please take a moment to think about what part of your belief system is actually about your relationship with a higher power, and what part is about the "human construct" that religion often is.
• United States
25 Feb 07
In Christianity, I think it's a whole world of trouble, that there is a huGe mistranslation, in that "hell" should read "the grave"... Most of these folks (you mentioned) probably mean well! But have accepted this image of their God.. so they reflect that image.. or they fight fiercely believing everyone else is destined to perish forever, or worse!! I like Paramahanse Yogananda's vision of God.. he must have knwon the higher power must be life itself and also perfection, and so the end result can only be the best possible one...
• Portugal
23 Feb 07
I think that just the simple fact of judging people is not right. Here in Portugal, most part of the people are catholic, and because of that we don't see people being discriminated by their religious beliefs. I have friends of others religions and some times we discuss it, and I really enjoy ear and try to understand their felling and beliefs. In the end we all agree that no mater what region we have, the important thing is to believe.
• United States
23 Feb 07
Yes, the most important thing is not what you believe in, but that you do believe. Thanks for your comment!