but that's what friends are for!

@irisheyes (4370)
United States
February 22, 2007 6:59pm CST
I was recently in a group of people where a woman I didn't know too well informed us that she had recently turned down a friend's request for money. Even though it was not a lot of money and she was far from strapped. When I asked her why, she said that lending money to friends destroys the friendship. She went on to say she believed in helping people out but just not friends. I was too floored to say anything but I kept thinking "but that's what friends are for." If you don't help out friends, who do you help? Enemies and strangers? I don't think I could look a friend to whom I'd refused a little needed help, in the eye. If it was a small amount and I wouldn't miss it, I probably wouldn't expect or want to be paid back but I would want to know my friend would reciprocate if I needed help. How do others feel about this? Would you help out a friend if you could? Or do you believe money and friendship don't mix?
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@noahark (21)
• China
23 Feb 07
well,i put my friends at an important place.i can'l imagine the one who doesn't help him or her friends.i think friends is a part of ourselves.real friends can help each other,and without words,not to exchange. in the world money is important,but friends irrespective of rich or poor.i often think that he or she is just my friend,and i will try my best to help it when they need me. i believe money and friends don't mix,forever~~
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
Maybe that's where she was scoming from too. But if you would give to a charity that helps strangers, it would mean that you are giving to those you don't even know what you denied to a friend.
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@raijin (10345)
• Philippines
23 Feb 07
If I know I can, then why I shoudn't? To treat someone as a friend, we must understand them and sometimes support them on their needs. We can always lend a hand when they need it, if it's money? then I would lend it if I know I can afford some and I would be thankful if they would return it too. But if I know that they are somewhat of broke, then I wouldn't insist on them to pay it back. I guess that's the true value of help, giving without expecting something in return. The true spirit of friendship. If we really value friendship, then I think we should always put them second on our priorities -next after to our families and relatives..
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
These are my thoughts too.
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• Slovak Republic
23 Feb 07
Maybe what she doesn't want is to lend the money because she is afraid she could not get it back and may not know how to confront a friend who had borrowed money from her. For me at times, I am in that scenario in the end the friendship takes over, but i am also afraid to do it again. Money and friends do not mix really but everything done in the right way is okay. Just like favors, sometimes we are prone to get favors and are afraid to give favors to our friends, which is bad. In every relationship, a certain factor or problem can be a hindrance in its growth its up to people how to decide. i would definitely help someone in need... but i won't lend money i would give them what i can and do not ask for it in return, that's true friendship i suppose.
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• Philippines
23 Feb 07
I got your point about friends and money dont mix. but what if the situation really calls for money? like her kid's tuition fee or medicine? will you refuse that as well?
• United States
23 Feb 07
I have two new rules never lend money to friends or family. It's hard to ask them to pay you back because you dont want to hurt their feelings. You know they have it because they buy new clothes, go to fancy restaurants and seem to think it was a gift or they don't have to pay it back because of your relationship with them.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
Heather, Just suppose it was a friend who had a recent setback and had never asked for anything before? And suppose you found yourself needing help? Could you approach the people you'd made it a rule never to lend money to?
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• United States
23 Feb 07
It is only because I have been bitten so many times that I said "two NEW rules". I have had some hard times but I have never borrowed money from anyone in my entire life, not even family, I would feel that I was putting them in an embarrasing postition of feeling obligated to lend to me and perhaps they could not afford too.
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@nrmrreddi (356)
• Germany
23 Feb 07
This is something strange to hear about someone who never want to help friends but helps strangers. There is no point in it and I have no idea why she feels that way. But for me or maybe for most of us, friends are important as our family. And if dont help them then there is no point in friendship. Friends are for sharing the happines and also sorrows, where its helping by borrowing money or being with you in tough times.
• United States
23 Feb 07
I agree with you. Friends share a lot together. They help each other out in bad times and laugh with each other in the good. My friends are very important people to me and I love them like I do my family.
• Philippines
23 Feb 07
I went through a period of financial crisis. and i could say that it was really a test of friendship for me. i have learned who my true friends are. i got disappointed with the people who turned their backs on me. they even spread nasty rumors about me. it's hard to trust people nowadays.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
24 Feb 07
When you're on the receiving end is definitely when you learn who your real friends are. I think a lot of people confuse friendship with popularity. Popular people may or may not have true friends but they also have hangers on and a lot of acquaintances. It's only after you've been down a time or two that you know the real friends.
• Ireland
23 Feb 07
Well I'm a softy at heart and I would never turn down the request from a friend for money. If it was a very large amount, I would probably offer half and tell her she could repay it whenever she could afford it and I wouldn't really expect it back. If it was for a small amount then I would just give it as a gift. I suppose some people would feel that it could ruin a friendship but not lending it could also ruin a friendship.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
I'm a softy too and I just naturally would assume that if someone asked for money, they must really need it.
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@bikaner (58)
• India
23 Feb 07
That woman and you both are correct. No doubt friends must be helped but on the other hand there are instances of a quarrel between friends leading to the end of friendship. So it is very difficult to propound a foolproof theory.The matter must be decided on the analysis of its merits & demerits.
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• United States
23 Feb 07
I have lent money to friends in the past. Some people pay it back. Some do not. Some keep asking for money once they know you will help them out - and do not ever repay you. I will generally lend money to a friend for a good reason - not just because they want to go out to party lol I need to have a certain amount of money myself, so do not want to short myself so a friend can do something frivolous with it. I would like to be paid back, but I realize that those in need often have a hard time getting back on track. It's the ones' that borrow and borrow and borrow again that bother me. I've found when I stop being a bank to them they also stop hanging around . . . Money and friendship can mix - you just have to watch the combination and don't let yourself go broke in the process.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
Exactly, I think you probably have to draw the line at some point. I just don't think it has to be etched in stone.
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@bgerig (1258)
• United States
23 Feb 07
Yes, I would help a friend or family member. However, I am the one being helped at this time. I am extremely appreciative of their help and will try to repay their favor by helping others someday. I already try to help others by taking them to doctors appointments or grocery store, etc.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
I've been on the giving and the receiving end. That's what I think it's all about. I just don't see how you can take a hard line and not realize that you may need some help someday. We all do.
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• United States
23 Feb 07
How can she NOT help a friend? i just don't understand that one at all. i would bend over backwards for a friend. i would give them my last dime if it would help them.
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• Canada
23 Feb 07
Wow, this is actually a little bit disturbing. If you can't rely on friends to help out if they can, who do you turn to? I've helped out friends in the past that asked me if I could loan them a little bit of money. It wasn't much and so I never asked for it back. They've also helped me when things have been a little bit tight, and we've always appreciated that fact. Friends should be there to cover each others backs as and when it's needed, it's a part of friendship, its a part of life. Things don't run smoothly all the time and I like to think that my friends and I have each others backs covered. They know they can come to me at any time and I know that I can go to them. Thats how it should be.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
My feelings exactly.
@haissam (93)
• Pakistan
23 Feb 07
Money creat distance it is true but not a small amount. If my freind ask me for help in shape of money i will but i will keep in mind that if he b able to me back, if amount is in the range which i can afford to lose i will give him and if it is beyond my limit i will refuse but in mannerd way. And freinds r diffrent from straingers and other needy persons we may help each other I may say
@NatureBoy (493)
• Singapore
23 Feb 07
Well, personally I think money does turn most friendships sour. But not to help a friend will also make friendship sour. My personal experiences have been that I would not lend friends money, but just give it to them (of cos, moderate amounts) this way, there would be no such things as he/she owes me how much. Words are the main culprit for most sour relationships and not the money itself. The money given to a friend will come back in many ways, yes more ways then u can imagine. Just remember one thing that 'Help is always given, and not Lent / Borrowed" even though we always ask 'can u lend me a hand with this. ." See . words are always the culprits.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
I'm giving a best response here earlier than usual because I can't even imagine having this put more beautifully. thank you for posting.
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@horsesrule (1957)
• United States
23 Feb 07
If I had the money, I would definitely help both friends and family. I've done it in the past when my financial situation was a bit better than it is now. I have also been on the other end of this question and I've been the one who was asking friends and family for money. I HATE asking them for money! I don't want to be a burden to them and I don't want them to run away when they see me coming either. If I will be unable to pay them back the money anytime this century, I will tell them that upfront. Then if they say no, ok, I tried and there's no hard feelings on my part. If they say yes, well, that's ok too. I am always deeply appreciative when my family helps me out. I try to do little things that I am both physically and financially able to. And when things are better financially for me, I will be paying them back in small payments. I can't imagine NOT helping family and friends if they really need it. I am not talking party money because I won't give money for that but in response to a real financial need. Like some others have posted in response to the question here, who else are you going to help?
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
I've been on both ends too. That's probably why I feel so strongly.
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• United States
23 Feb 07
Why would she help out someone who was not her friend. We look to our friends in time of need. I would have given her the money letting her know that when she could than pay me back but not to worry about it. Friendship is a very special thing and if lending money destroyed the friendship than the person is placing to much on the material thing (money) instead of looking at the fact that she could help out her friend. I am with you irisheyes, the only thing I would want is that I needed some help that she would return the favor.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
24 Feb 07
Exactly, I think we are each other's support systems and I think most people would go to a friend for help before they would go to a charity. I'm just wondering what the people who think money destroys friendship do when they need help? Perhaps, they t do go to a charity. If you let it be well known that you will not give money to friends, you'd probably have a hard time asking a friend for money.
• Philippines
23 Feb 07
My friends and I lend and borrow money from each other. But only the really close ones. Meaning, those whose help I could rely on. When they're in a bind I don't bother to ask them to pay until such time when I know that they can pay me already. But when it's business that's when things change. Like if they're selling something I make sure I can pay when I'm supposed to. When I'm the one selling something they also pay on time. When I borrow money and they say they don't have money to lend I believe them. Because I know I could depend on them. When they need financial help I help as much as I could.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
That kind of assurance is in my opinion what friendship is all about.
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• India
23 Feb 07
I think there are two types of friends. Genuine friends and so called friends. The first category has become almost rare. Most of the people belong to second category these days. Here self interests get the priority. Your friend is right in that sense. It is better to diplomatically avoid dealing money matters with your friends.- NISAN
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Feb 07
They used to call them rainy day friends and fair weather friends.
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@mlgb_24 (638)
23 Feb 07
friendship means trust..money is just one of the physical things. money gets in the way if the friend you're lending it with plays foul. but as you said, that's what friends are for..you help out each other the best way you can...at the end of the day, it's always a matter of trust..so it depends how well you know your friend. friendship and other things always mix...it's just drawing a fine line among everything.
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• South Africa
23 Feb 07
I too am a softy at heart. But borrowing money can ruin a friendship. You have good friends and you have friends that know you when they need you. THe only way you get to distinguish the good from the bad, is money. I have experienced it. No matter how little it is some friends don't always respect you enough to know that they borrowed the money to return it again. I borrowed money to a friend of mine and it has been a year and a half and i am still waiting. Then you get friends that you would do anything for. Money or favours. Actually i don't think money and friendship works. Like people always say don't work with friends. Why? Because business and pleasure don't go together. Why? Because of money....
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
24 Feb 07
We do have all these sayings. One is "Money and friendship don't work" but another is "A friend in need is a friend indeed". I guess this controversy has bee going on for a long time LOL