Welfare scammers....why can't we stop them?

@nelltx (277)
United States
February 24, 2007 11:46pm CST
Ok, I know that this is a very touchy subject & I hope that I don't offend anyone, but here is my gripe. A lady down the street from me is on welfare, she lives in a very nice house & she just bought a brand new car. She is also on welfare. The man she lives with works at the Dow Chemical plant & makes very good money. They have 4 children together. I was talking to her one day & asked her how she could be on welfare when her husband makes such good money. (She dosen't hide the fact that she gets government assistance, she is proud that she is using the system) She told me that they are not married & won't get married because that would cut into her benefits. She went on to tell me that she gets over $2000 a month in food stamps & AFDC. She honestly thinks that this is free money. I told her that this is money that is paid by the tax payers but she doesn't care. These people are living in the lap of luxury while my family is busting a gut to live pay check to pay check. It really burns me that there are people out there & no one seems to want to stop it. Now, don't get me wrong, I have NO problem helping someone in need, or get back on their feet. I DO have a problem with people taking advantage of the system. I asked her how she can do all this & not get into trouble, she let me know that nothing is in her name, it is in her mothers, & the hubby uses a friends address so the welfare office doesn't have them living together. She has it all figured out. She told me that she has even been reported a few times and when they come & investigate, there is nothing in her name for them to find. It sickens me that my tax dollars are paying for her nails, hair do's, and so her kids can wear name brand attire. How can we fix our welfare system, & stop these people who don't need it, but use it like their own banking account?
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32 responses
• United States
25 Feb 07
yea that makes me angry too. You should just keep reporting adn reporting her, so the authorities get sick of hearing it and will actually do something. many don't abuse the welfare system though, it really isn't that high of a percentage, but you tend to hear about and remember the "bad" stories ya know? It helps a lot of people who need it. I dont know what the solution is to get rid of the scammers, I think there will always be dishonest con artists in society and there's not much to do anbout them except kill them off (im just kidding, lol) I'm just making the point that you can't do much about them. Just know that you are a more honest, and moral person and karma's a real thing...she'll get her's eventually.
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• United States
25 Feb 07
oh and doesn't it make you wonder how the heck she looks at herself in the mirror everyday? Some people were born without consciouses I swear. And then she's probably raising her children all bad and dishonest too, and the cycle will be perpetuated when her kids grow up and become little rats on society.
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@nelltx (277)
• United States
25 Feb 07
Well, lets just hope that her children will grow up with some self-pride & not want to be a drain on the system.
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@resasour (378)
• United States
25 Feb 07
I know, isn't it ridiculous? I went to try to get help for my husbands surgery and we got turned down because we made 12 dollars a month too much, and yet while I am sitting there waiting, I see women in there with cell phones and driving Cadillacs and long pretty nails and nice clothes.And all decked out in gold. I just wanted to slap everybody!! lol I do not know what to do to fix that, but it does burn me up. It bothers me to no end that people can abuse the system and get away with it, but those that need it get disqualified. I just don't get it. I think it needs to be policed much better than it is.
@nelltx (277)
• United States
25 Feb 07
I could not have said it better myself! It is a frustrating dilemma. You would think that the welfare office staff would see it, but it seems as if they don't. I hope your husband is alright.
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@rusty2rusty (6751)
• Defiance, Ohio
25 Feb 07
I am disgusted that people do this as well. I was disabled in 2005. My husband does make alot of money. For us being a family of five. It looks like alot to others. But it falls into the catorgory where we could get help. I have applied to try and get some assitants with medical. Because I can't keep up with all the medical bills. My family goes to emergnecy rooms. Not doctors because we can't afford it to pay the bill upfront before the service. Anyways I applied for help. But because I have a house in my name. That has been in foreclosure for almost two years now I can't get help. Until I have papers in my hands stating the house is out of my name. The reason why it is taking so long to go through...is because the bank has sold out to another bank four times now. So the foreclosure starts all over from scratch. I am constantly getting calls asking for payment. I can't pay. I have not being able to work in almost 2 yrs since my accident. I have tried to sell the house but it is in sad shape. I was in the process of trying to get it remodeled after I was disabled and moved out of state. well, the contractors took all my kitchen cabinets out and ripped up all the carpet. Then took off. No one can find them. Not even the cops. To make matters worse. Since the house has been vacate for aomost two years (in the country). Someone came along and through huge rocks through the windows. I was able to pay someone to board the windows up. But until that was done. It rained in the house. Now the floors need replaced. If it wasn't for a friend calling and letting me know. The house would be even worse shape. Every time I try to explain. I am told it is not my problem...sell the house. So yes people like this digust me. They cost us who really need the help in the long run.
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@nelltx (277)
• United States
25 Feb 07
To bad that lightening couldn't hit that house & burn it to the ground. I hope that you can get the help that you need, I will add you to my list of people that could use an extra prayer. Maybe someday we can get all the scammers off of welfare so the people who truly need hlp can get it.
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@JC1969 (1224)
• United States
25 Feb 07
Now, I normally do not like to share really personal details of my life, but your story cued up one of my childhood memories. My dad was not a really nice person due to his mental instabilities, and after years of abusing my mom and neglecting his health--mom got strength and divorced him. Unfortunately, he left us destitute and my mom had to turn to public assistance. I remember the first visit the case worked did at our home, because you see back then 70/early 80s, a case worker came to your home 'MONTHLY' to inspect. This woman went through our closets, our food pantry, fridge, medicine cabinets, you name it she looked in it. So, a month later she comes back for her monthly inspection, and she spots what she thought was a new item in our house--a toaster which my great grand-father gave to my mom the week before. It was used and fixed, as he was a master electrician and tinkered with old appliances. This woman yelled at my mother and told her that while she was on public assistance she has no right to buy or receive gifts such as these. My mother felt so worthless, she wasn't even receiving full assistance as she had immediately gotten herself a part-time job that allowed her to care for my infant brother and work. She just needed help medically and just a lift to get her on her feet--and she was treated like dirt. Maybe that's what's missing from the system today. I don't think they do the monthly inspections and they sure don't scrutinize families. In the 90s there were some wonderful programs that helped families on welfare get off welfare by re-training them, giving them skills, and incentives to not use it as a means of a job/salary. Most of those programs that were implemented in the 90s were ended and funds were taken from them. In society, there will always be a need for public assistance, because there is always someone that truly does fall on hard times and needs that lift--but when you eliminate programs that help these people get on their feet so they no longer need welfare--you have people that get trapped on it. Then you have families like the one on your block that just abuse it...that is disgusting. Like I said in the 90's there was welfare reform in place that placed stipulations on how long a person could receive public assistance. Those that applied for it, had to also show and make the effort to prove they were going to get off of it, whether it was through re-education classes offered through the welfare system, or just finding a job they could qualify for. Those programs were stopped and defunded, and that allows your neighbor to do what she is doing.
• Defiance, Ohio
25 Feb 07
I remember the monthly visits back in the eighties. It was hell on any person recieving assitants. Most of the case workers that came had never had any children. I know you didn't dare have one thing on the floor or out of place. Not even a toy or risk loosing any benefits you were getting. I also know you were also sent to many meeetings and classes that prevented someone from working full time. I know the program was meant to help. But the way it was done. It hurt alot of people. I remember seeing the stuff in low come apartments. Not me..I wasn't on the assitant. But someone real close I know.
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• United States
26 Feb 07
The programs in the '90's hurt a lot of people as well. ASPIRE in particular. You had to find a job in a (not) given amount of time, and if you didn't you lost all benefits. It was one thing if the parent did not even look for work... ...but for those of us who looked for work every day/3 or 4 days a week, filled out applications, went for interviews etc., it was not fair. When the system *makes* you quit your part time job to find another job, and when you are not able to find a job no matter how hard you try, the welfare deaprtment still took away all of your benefits. This was wrong, and hurt a lot of us. We almost ended up homeless. If they would have just let me keep the part time job, and the ocassional job of substituting, that I had had, it wouldn't have been so hard for us when we stopped getting benefits. Instead, they took away my right to work so that I could spend every day of the week losing more and more of my self-esteem because I was unable to find a job. These "programs" do not take into account many factors: * Lack of jobs in your area or nearby * Lack of skills on the recipients part * Lack of education * The fact that there are few jobs, and a mil1 or other big company closes - the workers having many more years of work experience than young welfare moms/dads. Those workers will generally get the jobs. etc., etc.,
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• United States
25 Feb 07
This subject actually touched a sore spot with me that I haven't thought about in a while. Before my husband and I met, I was living alone after having my ex arrested. At one point, I sat down and figured out that I would actually have been better off to quit my job and go on welfare. It made me want to scream. But, that is something I couldn't do. And now, looking back, the fact that I was able to keep my house by myself and make ends meet is a proud moment in my life. I agree that the whole system needs looked into. The people that have children just so that they get more money, which never seems to be used for the child's benefit. The people who are the worst off are the ones who make just a little bit too much to qualify for assistance. It almost makes you wonder if it's worth it to keep on trying.
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@pilbara (1436)
• Australia
26 Feb 07
I agree with you. People like this are parasites and should be stopped. If she is living with this man then they have a de facto relationship, which should count the same as being married in the eyes of the law. Sometimes people who do things like this can be anonymously reported.
@kgwat70 (13388)
• United States
26 Feb 07
This just goes to show how flawed our welfare system is these days. People are becoming smarter and smarter on how to take advantage of the welfare system as well as unemployment and other programs. People also are faking disabilities as well and receiving ssdi or ssi, even though they do not really have a disability of any kind. Some people just refuse to work. It is sad that people do this but until these programs are fixed they will just keep doing it. It is not right to all the hard workers out there who pay tax dollar for these programs as well as not being fair to the people who really are on welfare.
@villageanne (8553)
• United States
26 Feb 07
Unfortunately, There will always be someone that will figure out how to beat the system. It happens all the time. Couple live together instead of getting married so they can still receive a check and food stamps. The system is set up to encourage this behavior. The AFDC workers themselves will tell you how to get more from the system. It is so sad that this is allowed to continue to happen. Why do we have no say so in the matter when it is our taxes that is used to give them the money?
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• United States
26 Feb 07
It is so hard to stop them because there is so many people that recieve from this fund. THANKS!
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• Grand Junction, Colorado
25 Feb 07
I first would like to address that I find it hard to believe that she receives that amount AFDC, over the years I have met many women with children that for one reason or another have had to go on AFDC or public assistance or what ever it's called and none of them received close to that amount. They had a very hard time all of them trying to get back on their feet because of the little they got. As for why people abuse the system it's because they can, and what I mean by that is that all of us every time we see of hear about this type of situation we should be on the phone reporting it to the fraud division. Every time they come out and find nothing we call again. After awhile someone will get a clue, encourage others that know about it to call it in. Multiple calls about one person and someone is going to take notice. The problem is most of us rather sit and complain instead of getting involved and I'm not saying you in perticular but most people don't want to get involved with things like that. It's our tax dollars not working for us but against us. Because of people like that it means that people who really need extra help from time to time can't get it, where as if their was less fraud then maybe the money that is being saved could help when someone needs surgery as stated above. I don't think that the fraud is all that large it's just that as stated above those are the stories we seem to remember unfortunately. As always this is just my 2 cents. Happy mylotting! :)
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@nelltx (277)
• United States
25 Feb 07
I plan on calling about her first thing Monday morning. I will rant & rave until I get some satisfaction. I just don't see how she can live with herself, she has worked the system so well that she get just about maximum on anything & everything out there. Thanks for the 2 cents, that & a 10-spot will get me a cup of coffee! LOL
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• Grand Junction, Colorado
25 Feb 07
I wish you much luck on getting her out of the system. While I think the system is great for those that need it from time to time, those that think of it as a way to make a living or or the ones that defraud it, make it bad for the ones that truly need it. :)
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• United States
25 Feb 07
I do not believe that she gets that much money. I have been trying to work myself of welfare for a very long time, and the amount that you are talking about is not likely. The system is not fair by any means. I was kicked off welfare because I could not find a job. They made me quit selling Avon because I was not making enough. They made me quit substituting at the daycare center because I was not making enough. I was doing both of these jobs at the same time, bringing home money to help myself and my daughters. At the same time, I was looking for another job. I would go to numerous places of business each week, fill out applications, call about the applications and could not get a job. I was doing everything the welfare department wanted me to. I could not find a job, so they took everything away from me. I still kept looking for work, and we were almost homeless. I finally found a job a few months later. I amde minimum wage working 20-30 hours a week. I worked for more than a year, barely surviving, then hurt my back. They would not help me. I then started a small daycare in my home, $8.00 and hour at about 25 hours a week. Everything was going well, except we still didn't have medical insurance. My daughter got sick, and they finally helped me with medical, plus some foodstamps (not much). When I started getting in a few more hours here and there, I called to tell them that I no longer needed the foodstamps, They still kept sending them, saying that I was still within the limits. Then their foodstamp department audited me, twice! The auditor told me that my case worker had messed up, and given me too much foodstamps! Both times! I was so upset. I had to pay them back! Both times! And it wasn't even my fault. I had asked be taken off foodstamps, but they didn't do it. It took me a long time to pay them back. Luckily, they just took the money out of the foodstamps they were giving me. That was a long time ago. I am still working as a childcare provider in my home, making less than $200.00 a week. I get $173 in foodstamps, and medical. I am trying to launch a writing career, which is my dream. Now that my daughters are teenagers, I have more time for writing. I hope to get off welfare completely. I know a family who works hard. The father works at a "good job", the mom works whenever she can. She is sick a lot, though. She has some medical problems and cannot work all of the time. They rent, but are being evicted because they cannot afford to pay the rent, etc. They went for help with payment, and were told that they could not be helped until "after they are eveicted". They will not help them until they are homeless. That is so sad. There is something else that I feel bad about. I fell bad that the welfare department and low income housing authorities can tell a father that he cannot live with his children. And I do not fault the moms who let the fathers of their children live with them. I do not fault them at all. If a family wants to be together, they should be allowed to be together.
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• Australia
25 Feb 07
That stinks that she can get away with that, seeing that she has given you so much info if i was you i would ring and tell the fraud section about her and her claims. I would keep ringing every few weeks and eventually something will be done. People like her have no morals and are the first to complain when it backfires on them. Im sure that she could probably be done for tax evasion as well as fruad but it looks like you will probably have to keep pushing the govt dept's. What about do you have a local member of parliament that you can complain to as that might help.
@nelltx (277)
• United States
25 Feb 07
I plan on calling on Monday, I am going to put an end to her fraudulent behavior, or a least try to. Sometimes trying to get our government to do something is like trying to get oil from a water fountain.
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
25 Feb 07
Yes, it's very irking to see things like that-- it really ends up giving me a "good head of steam." I'm willing-- if just for a moment-- to look past the attitude of entitlement, and just concede that these people understand "how to use the system" to get a life out of it. It's a bit like they say about the IRS-- actually, the IRS says this: You don't have to pay a penny more in tax than you can legitimataly document that you owe... if you can come up with a legitimate deduction-- no matter HOW esoteric or obscure-- you may take it to reduce your taxes. That being the case, however, shows me that "the system" is severely broken and needs a serious overhaul. Welfare is "public ASSISTANCE" and that shouldn't allow for anyone to become "well off" in the process of getting a helping hand. In my view, the purpose of welfare if to keep someone from having to live in a cardboard box under an overpass, and bridge them over from a temporary setback. HOW to fix the system? I have no good answers, but a better system of accountability would certainly help.
• United States
26 Feb 07
I totslly feel the same way that you do, it isn't fair for people to use and abuse the system who don't need it! I just wish there was some way to stop the scamming, that way it would be available to the people who really need it. It makes me mad that I am also living paycheck to paycheck too and that some of my tax dollars are going to people who don't need it. It's so beyond not fair! I really wish there was a way to catch these people!
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@flexjr (99)
• Canada
26 Feb 07
I work with a woman like this. She gets paid under the table money, therefore she collects welfare also. This is definately not fair to us that have to pay taxes. As for changing the system to better it, im afraid there is much we can do. I mean, sure, we can protest and let the government know, and im sure they DO know, its just very hard to tell which people are actually poor and which ones are not. Everyone wants to see proof, and if everything is in another persons name, technically, the proof is that its all not hers. Life isnt fair... i guess that sums it up.
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@classy56 (2880)
• United States
25 Feb 07
this makes me sick also,people who needs help cant get it.i have a neice who dose the same thing.they need to redone the welfare system to stop this fraud.an more people need to report abuser to the welfare an the welfare need to investagate more.
@bobilongo (264)
• Austria
25 Feb 07
situations like this are often very difficult to handle but people just have to be honest
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@xXmeganxX (4421)
25 Feb 07
it's so sad to see that she's doing that, there are people who don't get much money a week from doing a full time job and yet she's living in a life of luxury! you should report her and get it stopped because that's bad! there was a man who's just been caught getting welfare and working full time he had been doing it a few years here in UK and he has been put in prison for a minimum 8 years AND he has to pay all of the money back that he got PLUS court charges, but it deserves him right for doing that, people don't get nothing for free! if you report her please update and let us know if you have time, it would be good to know what happens next! :)
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@imsilver (1665)
• Canada
25 Feb 07
I'd say you should just report her to welfare but chances are that won't even get very far. I know a lady like this as well and it drives me mental. Some people are just greedy I guess.
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@alindahaw (1219)
• Philippines
25 Feb 07
That is so disgusting. I wonder why so many people can live like that. Welfare usually robs oyu of your self respect. Well, I guess that woman you mentioned is so thick skinned she can't feel any shame at all. What a scam!
@znitrx (168)
• United States
25 Feb 07
It's despicable. My own parents are working hard to get me through school and pay for extra classes I get. They had the chance to get welfare but declined it. They don't regret their decision and nor do I. I find it disgusting though, when others abuse the system in their own favor, when they don't even need help. I think the government ought to have surveillance on people who live on welfare and track their purchases, income, etc. for a certain period of time. Then at least we know the system isn't being abused.
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