Gods Plan (omnipotence) vs Free Will (limitations) : why it cant be both
By soadnot
@soadnot (1606)
Canada
February 28, 2007 11:12am CST
Some people believe that god has a plan, and it is our free will that chooses to follow this plan of his. But, because this god is supposibly omnipotent, he knows what we will do no matter what we chose, because, he knows everything. So, if I chose not to follow this plan, god would already know this, and it would already be in his plan. So there is no escape from this "plan" of his.
However, If you believe in Gods plan only, it makes sense. This is because everything you do has already been written and will be fulfilled.
Also, if you believe in free will, then god is not omnipotent, because if he knew what you were going to do next, it would be apart of his plan. But, if he did not know what you were going to do, he is limited, he is not omnipotent because he does not know everything.
So which do you belive? Any debates against my first paragraph?
Good luck debating!
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@Modestah (11177)
• United States
28 Feb 07
hmm, I am not following the conclusion you have determined.
God's forknowledge (Omniscience= all knowing, omnipotent= all powerful or almighty)does not make us do anything. God foreseeing evil does not induce us to do evil. It is like if we see a man down the road committing some crime, God sees our doings because we will do them, we do not do them because He sees it. When some past doings is brought to our thoughts, it did not happen because it is in our thoughts; so when God foresees some future action it does not happen because He has forseen it, but He has foreseen ti because the man is going to commit it, the man is not compulsed to commiting it because God has foreseen it.
How about this: a Doctor 'foresees' that his patient will soon die - the patient does not die BECAUSE the Doctor foresaw, but the doctor foresaw because it was going to happen.
If we had no free will there would be no sense in doing anything, why even plant the field?
@soadnot (1606)
• Canada
28 Feb 07
its not the matter that he "sees" it thats the problem.
if god is omnipotent (which actually meens "unlimited power" therfor meens "can do anything" or "knows all") then he would KNOW not SEE the future. he would know 100% what is going to happen to me. He would know EXACTLY what will happen to me in the next second. If this is true, than there is no free will because he already knows everything that will happen to you.
the man and doctor you mentioned dont have omnipotence.
so, if we have no free will, there is no meaning to anything, which is ironic, because that is what religion tries to avoid.
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