"I Know More About Your Religion Than You Do"

By Leca
@lecanis (16647)
Murfreesboro, Tennessee
February 28, 2007 7:18pm CST
This discussion was sparked by a comment on another discussion here on mylot, but I started this one rather than going off-topic there. The original thought involved Christians and their opinions of Wiccans, but this could apply to any religions. Why is it that people tend to judge the religions of others without hearing from people within those actual religions? If you get your information about a religion from someone else who isn't a part of that religion either, then how can you feel that you are well-informed? It is different if the religion you are talking about is one you used to be a part of yourself, but if you have no real experience with it, wouldn't it be better to learn about it from people who actually believe in and practice it? Have you ever claimed to know more about someone else's religion than they do? Or have you felt unfairly judged by someone who dismissed your religion based on information given by people who don't even follow it?
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14 responses
• United States
1 Mar 07
I know a person that knows a lot about ALL religions, could you be thinking that my friend the Scholar of Religious texts has offended you? As a mechanic, I know electrical schematics, as a student I learned to read and write. I can follow instructions both verbal and written. I can find errors in text with my knowledge I can figure out problems that need to be solved. I'm a truck driver. I can type, and I spent many hours listening to Christian Radio for 10 years. I can and did read the Bible, and then I read the works of Kahlil Gibran and the Solitary practicioner a book about Wicca. My favorite Quote is from Hawk Mountain by Cheif Standing Bear of the Lakota "We did not think of the the Great Open Plains, rolling hills and winding streams with tangled growth as 'Wild.' Only to the white man was nature a wilderness and only to him was the land 'Infested' with 'Wild animals' and 'Savage' people. To us it was tame. Earth was bountiful and we were surrounded with the blessings of the Great Mystery." What more do you need to know?
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Mar 07
Thanks for your response! You make some very good points. It is possible to have studied a number of religions other than your own, and there's nothing wrong with voicing opinions based on your studies. I think what I'm talking about is more the people that read one book and then believe they know more about a religion than a person who has been in that religion for years, actively practicing it. I myself have knowledge of quite a few religions: based on things I've learned from friends and relatives, books I've read, etc. I will confidantly discuss religions I have knowledge of. However, I would never dream of telling someone who is actually part of a specific religion that I know more about their religion than they do. It's okay if you don't agree with me, but it's just something that seems very rude and intolerant to me.
@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
1 Mar 07
I definately have been unfairly judged even by my own mother in law actually -she was very worried when she found out I was Pagan but my brother in law who is a Rev and has his doctorate in Religion explained it all too her and now she's not worried anymore LOL..I just adore that woman LOL - Her aside though, sure I've been judged unfairly numerous times....sometimes they would sit down and talk with me and learn the TRUTH and still not agree with my choice but at least they'd have a better understanding and other times there would be no hearing of it cause some ppl are just to afraid and thick in the skull My honest thought about why they dont go right to the 'horse' so to speak is this (and I will use Christians as an example because thats mainly the naysaying religion I'VE had to deal with personally)..... If they were to come to us to find out the truth they would have to accept the idea that #1 the minister/pastor/whatever tht they've believed in, relied on, had trust in etc could be WRONG which in itself gets the ball rolling on numerous other debatable things like homosexuality for example - could he/she be wrong about that too??? and #2 if they come to us for the truth they'd have to realize that for all these yrs (however many depending on the person) they've been cruel, unaccepting, unloving, pestering and so on to ppl who never deserved it in the first place.. make sense
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@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
1 Mar 07
"I hated that man, as he was one of the people who got it in her head that she couldn't do anything about me being abused.*growls* " *gasp* OMG ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? ugh that just made my stomache turn...and also gave me a thread to start...I'll never understand how it is that back in the day ppl couldnt and wouldnt get involved...I went through that myself with the neighbourhood parents...mind you since then they have apologized to me and explained why they never got involved but imo its no excuse ya know.....
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Mar 07
I think it's very cool that your brother-in-law stood up for you and explained things in this case. =) You make some very good points as to why they don't just come to us. I know people whose lives would totally collapse if their minister was ever proven wrong. My grandmother was one of those types when I was a child: I swear she couldn't make any decision in life without calling the pastor to ask what to do. I hated that man, as he was one of the people who got it in her head that she couldn't do anything about me being abused. *growls* Another good point: they would have to face the way they have behaved towards you in the past if they came to understand your religion. Very good, as usual, Ravenladyj.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Mar 07
Nope, not kidding. The whole situation is worse when you think about the fact that I lived in her home at the time, and it was her husband doing the abusing. And her pastor told her "He is the head of the household and you cannot overrule him." *shakes her head* I think it's horrible that people in your neighborhood wouldn't interfere either. I know a lot of people are afraid, but I think they should think of how much more afraid the person in the actual situation must be. If I even had an inkling that a child was being abused around me, I would most definitely be doing something about it. I have done so in the past, actually.
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
1 Mar 07
Oh yeah I've seen that happen. I've also had it happen with some claiming to know my religion better then I do. This would be fine if they actually did but most times they take what they have learned from their religion and from tv to make up their own opinion which ususually is no where near what I believe. Makes me wonder how they would feel if the roles were reversed. For myself I talk about the religions I know. Christianity, mainly Romach Catholic, and Paganism. I may know a little bit about others but I admit I know very litte about others. I try to learn more but time isn't always conduscive to that. Now if I do know a fact of some sort I might correct someone but only if I know the fact for sure, that I'm not guessing or trying to remember. However I would never claim to know everything about another religion as I have seen some do. Makes me wonder how they know so much about so many different things :)
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Mar 07
Thanks for responding! I do talk about religions I know about, and I will say I am well-educated in general on the topic of religion. But I can't imagine telling someone I know more about their religion than they do, or making up my mind about a religion without talking to anyone who practices it. I love to research religions, because similarities and differences between them intrigue me. So I'd say I know a lot about several different religions, but I won't claim to know everything about any of them, even my own. I think what really annoys me on this topic is when people don't even try to educate themselves before they open their mouths. =p
• United States
2 Mar 07
This is something I am in 100% agreement with Lecanis. In particular, I have watched Jehovah's Witnesses get bashed for so many years; and in fact, I have known many of them and find them to be some of the most ethical and true to their personal belief systems than most others claim to be. As you know, it is my personal belief that if someone finds their path and follows it, that is something that is blessed and should be respected by all. ~Donna
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• United States
3 Mar 07
You ladies are good. Blessed be... ;)
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
2 Mar 07
Thanks for replying, Donna. =) You know, I hear a lot of horrible thing about Jehovah's Witnesses too, but I had a customer I was really fond of who was Jehovah's Witness. At first I was a little annoyed with her attempts to convert me, but the thing that really impressed me about her is that she never once said something bad about my religion, and she was always willing to hold a two-sided conversation about faith instead of just telling me her beliefs and never wanting to listen. I've known a few other Jehovah's Witnesses since her, and they're all been very ethical people, as you said. I love how you stated that last sentence. Very lovely. =)
• Canada
1 Mar 07
I've never claimed to know more about someone else's religion based on a bit of information I got from someone who doesn't practice it, and I never would. However, I have a friend who's a Christian. I told her about my beliefs as a Spiritualist and I have to admit that I felt a little hurt when she told me to be careful, because I was tempting the devil with my work on contacting my Guides and my Angels. I told her that its not like that at all, but she had her beliefs and she refused to even listen to me. How can we learn about other peoples views and beliefs if we refuse to at least listen to their views? How can they learn about ours if they refuse to listen to us? There has to be a bit of give and take on both sides. We may believe that our religion is better than theirs, and no doubt they think the same about theirs too, but heck, at least be open with each other. It's not worth the hassle otherwise.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Mar 07
Thanks for your response! I agree with you that no one can get anywhere in a religious discussion unless they are willing to listen to both sides. I could see how you would be hurt by your friend's words. If you're willing to learn about her religion, she should be willing to learn about yours, and she shouldn't be so rude about it. I always try to listen to other's beliefs with an open mind, and I think I manage it as long as they don't say "You have to believe like I do". That's when it's no longer sharing but pushing, and that's a whole different thing.
@tangible (60)
• United States
1 Mar 07
Well, we know where this came from ;o) LOL. I have been the one to unfairly judge someone else's religion based on little morethan my opinion and observations :o( I feel real real bad about it and have been trying to make amends with the person... and part of what I started is trying to figure out if I really was being unfair. So, I am trying to get to the horse's mouth without being confrontational or baised. I am realizing that I have been treating and regarding a particular religion with prejudice and unfair judgement for some time now, not really knowing why, but I had been, and I am trying very hard to be more thoughtful about it. SOOOOOO... I am trying to better understand "them" through "them".... I don't know if I have ever claimed to know more about another person's religion than they do, but I know ALOT of people claim to know more about mine than me ;o) LOL
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Mar 07
Yup, yup that's where it came from. I had to go through that stage you're going through too, tangible, in a way. It wasn't that I didn't know about a specific religion, but I only knew people who were using that religion as an excuse to hurt others. Which meant I didn't know anyone who actually followed the religion in the way it is meant to be. Later on, I had to learn not to automatically fear anyone who was Christian, and it took a very long time for me to learn that. I'm sure a lot of people do claim to know more about yours! I mean, really, haven't we all heard about those evil Wiccans? =p
@livewyre (2450)
1 Mar 07
I am interested in other faiths, so will often quote what I know, but always use the expression that 'I believe' this to be right so that anyone who disagrees can feel invited to comment. As a Christian, I note that there are a lot of posts critisising my faith, mostly because they have misunderstood, or just have a chip on their shoulder. However, I welcome those discussions, because it is only through people airing their veiws that we can provide them with better information. There is a lot of misinformation, about the Wiccan faith and Witchcraft etc.. but I note that there are peoples of all faiths on Mylot so it's a great place to put your view across..
• Canada
1 Mar 07
I don't believe it is possible for anyone to know more about any religion then anyone else as there is no way to prove what religion is better . I feel that we all have our own beliefs and that makes everyone right .
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Mar 07
Thanks for your response. I didn't mean judging whether the religion was right or not, but just knowing about the actual religious doctrine or practice.
@sensesfail (2251)
• India
1 Mar 07
that sounds totally stupid.Now who would actually say that.LOL.I would never claim to say something or even think of something like that.
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• United States
1 Mar 07
friend I dissagree with you do not knoew more about my religion than i do for one thing i am english and know quite a lot about wiccans i studdied al of it before becoming a christian the reason christians are against your religion is that the bible itself forbids it to us
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
2 Mar 07
I understand that Christians were ordered to go out and convert all the world. I won't dispute that. I just think there are many of them that go about it in a way that is rude and disrespectful, and if anything this approach drives people away rather than converting them.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Mar 07
I wasn't actually saying that I know more about your religion that you do, I was quoting the comment that annoys me so much. I would never claim to know more about someone else's religion than they do. As for knowing about Wicca, it's fine if you know about it and don't believe in it. I'm not saying that everyone should be of the same religion. But not believing in the same thing as someone else and being "against it" are two different things. You can be Christian and still be kind to people of other religions. Jesus himself did it.
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• United States
2 Mar 07
I admit jesus was kind but he also left orders for us to attemp to convert all humanity (an impossible task ) Matthew 28; 18. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20. and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Many folks have an illogical oppinion they can bully people into this they couldnt be further from the truth since God himself gave humans the gift of free choise and if you choose to ignore the word then yoou have made your choiceto wich you are entitled!
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• United States
1 Mar 07
If you ever study different religions you may be suprised how many of them have just enough in common to be confusing. Christians, espcecially new Christians or ones that have been in the faith for many years but may only have a shallow understanding of what they believe should be careful about getting in conversations about deap subjects they are not familiar with. People who don't give Christians a bad name because they come off like babbling idiots with nothing to offer others who are looking for answers regarding their faith. In my opinion if someone is going to talk to someone else about what they believe, that person should know what they themselves believes first and be able to support it. They should also have a good understanding of what others believe so they can communicate properly.
@lonnieN (428)
• United States
1 Mar 07
yup people have weird ideas about catholics. i try not to judge religions i don't know anything about. but i fail when it comes to islam -- i have too much experience with its violant side - though i hear that it is a minority who believe in violance.
@docsammy (93)
• Nigeria
1 Mar 07
When it comes to religion, everyone tends to take other religion he/she doesnt believe as nothing. Well, I'm a christian and I know that religion is simply a way of life. If you follow these religions carefully and study them, you will realize that all these religion almost have thesame focus which is suprimacy. The all believe there is one God. I love christianity and I'm so happy I wasnt raised up in another religion. Believe me some religion sucks but like i said its people's way of life
• United States
2 Mar 07
How can anyone say that? Christians do not have an opinion about Wiccans. Just because we do not believe in what you practice does not mean we are judgemental. Wiccans do not believe in what Christains practice. It is the same with any religion. In christianity however, we are not supposed to judge people.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
2 Mar 07
I suppose I should clarify here. I do not mean the opinion of the Christian religion as a whole, I was talking about an opinion voiced by a specific Christian (in this case my grandmother, but I've heard the same thing from others). I am glad to hear that you as an individual Christian are not judgemental, however that doesn't mean that no Christians are. I do appreciate what you said about Christians not being supposed to judge people, but there are many who do so. I'm glad to hear from one who isn't in that group. =)